Let's Help GWB and Rove Out With Their Propoganda

Donald Rumsfeld has ruled that the prisoners in Guantanamo do not fall under the terms of the Geneva Convention.

DO NOT FALL UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION.quote]

how about the protection of common decency? Oh wait...other countries have treated people, including Americans, horribly so that means it's acceptable for us to do so.

I guess that means that if Hitler jumped off a bridge then george bush, and certainly you Bernard, would too.

I wish my grandmother were still alive to know that question had finally been answered.

Well, I might agree with you about my humanity but since I knew Eugene Armstrong, who was beheaded by the murderous and savage Islamo-Fascists in Iraq, I have become a bit less tolerant of the savages.

I am sure that you know that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has declared that since the prisoners in Guantanamo do not meet some of the qualifications laid down in the Geneva Convention( eg, Uniforms, Falling under the legal command of a superior officer, etc) the Prisoners in Guantanamo are not covered by that act.

I guess that the savage treatment given to those poor souls in Guantanamo, who receive better Muslim diets than they did at home, will just have to bear with it.

Check out the great diets the American prisoners taken by the Japanese in the Phillipines received.

Again, the courts will decide. Until then, it will stay as it is.

BernardR wrote:

DO NOT FALL UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION.quote]

how about the protection of common decency? Oh wait...other countries have treated people, including Americans, horribly so that means it's acceptable for us to do so.

I guess that means that if Hitler jumped off a bridge then george bush, and certainly you Bernard, would too.

I wish my grandmother were still alive to know that question had finally been answered.

While riding on the subway this morning, at about the time you posted this, Bear, these very words came into my head

: How about common decency?

Hasn't America, at it's very core, stood for decency? "...That all men", not just Americans, but all, "are created equal"? The greatest internal struggle of these United States was the battle for the equality imbodied first in the above phrase and then, for Americans only, in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. And haven't we stood as some kind of imperfect, but struggling to succeed, example of how the various people of the world can be brought together in one union? Have we lost that? Have we given that up out of fear?

How can we walk out into the wider world knowing that the rest of the nations see us and say not "Here come the Americans! Thank goodness" but "Here come the Americans! Stay quiet! They torture, they kidnap, they imprison without sentence or charge until you die without hope."


Joe(My Country, tis of thee, I weep for)Nation

BernardR wrote:

Well, I might agree with you about my humanity but since I knew Eugene Armstrong, who was beheaded by the murderous and savage Islamo-Fascists in Iraq, I have become a bit less tolerant of the savages.

So the men in Guantanamo committed that atrocity? Charge them.

BernardR wrote:

I am sure that you know that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has declared that since the prisoners in Guantanamo do not meet some of the qualifications laid down in the Geneva Convention( eg, Uniforms, Falling under the legal command of a superior officer, etc) the Prisoners in Guantanamo are not covered by that act.

OK - then they are criminals or spies. Charge them.

BernardR wrote:

I guess that the savage treatment given to those poor souls in Guantanamo, who receive better Muslim diets than they did at home, will just have to bear with it.

So if I lock you up, deprive of your freedom but feed you wel I can stuff human rights? You do realise that one of the inmates is Australian, and, as the second fattest nation on earth, we eat quite well.

BernardR wrote:

Check out the great diets the American prisoners taken by the Japanese in the Phillipines received.

OK, now I've got it, the Guantanamo Bay inmates arranged the food in Japanese POW camps in the Phillipines in WW2. Charge them.

BernardR wrote:

Again, the courts will decide. Until then, it will stay as it is.

That's all I'm asking for - the courts to decide on what ever crimes they have committed. 5 years without a case, and most haven't even been charged. I'm unalloyedly envious of your justice system.

blueveinedthrobber wrote:

BernardR wrote:

DO NOT FALL UNDER THE PROTECTION OF THE GENEVA CONVENTION.quote]

how about the protection of common decency? Oh wait...other countries have treated people, including Americans, horribly so that means it's acceptable for us to do so.

I guess that means that if Hitler jumped off a bridge then george bush, and certainly you Bernard, would too.

I wish my grandmother were still alive to know that question had finally been answered.

While riding on the subway this morning, at about the time you posted this, Bear, these very words came into my head

: How about common decency?

Hasn't America, at it's very core, stood for decency? "...That all men", not just Americans, but all, "are created equal"? The greatest internal struggle of these United States was the battle for the equality imbodied first in the above phrase and then, for Americans only, in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution. And haven't we stood as some kind of imperfect, but struggling to succeed, example of how the various people of the world can be brought together in one union? Have we lost that? Have we given that up out of fear?

How can we walk out into the wider world knowing that the rest of the nations see us and say not "Here come the Americans! Thank goodness" but "Here come the Americans! Stay quiet! They torture, they kidnap, they imprison without sentence or charge until you die without hope."


Joe(My Country, tis of thee, I weep for)Nation

well it's nice to know I'm not the only geen-yus on these boards....

Pious phraseology does not take the place of the "rule of law"!!!

BernardR wrote:

Pious phraseology does not take the place of the "rule of law"!!!

That's all I'm asking for - rule of law - I'm not asking for the Geneva Convention to be applied - do you read/comprehend anything that wanders outside your box of preconceptions?

Come on, everybody knows--President Bush has a clear strategy for victory in Iraq--that the man can't find his ass with both hands.

You are not asking for the GC to be applied?
Thats good,because under the GC the prisoners in Gitmo are subject to military tribunals,and NOT civil trials.

Of course,by not asking for the GC to be applied,you are admitting that they are not entitled to POW status.
So,if they are not protected by the GC,then what laws do protect them?

They are on Cuban soil,so does Cuban law apply?

The "left wing" has the incredible "Chutzpah" to refer to "Decency" after its leader violated all standards of decency in the Oval Office of the President of the United States.

As Richard A. Posner commented in his book, an Affair of State--

"For those who think that authority depends on mystery, the shattering of the presidential mystique has been a disaster for which Clinton ought to have paid with his job"

Decency--The leader of the liberals in the United States, Bill Clinton, showed absolutely no "decency".

He was the President who lowered the "decency" bar into the muck.

If they are citizens and have warred against the US, they may be subject to the charge of treason.