President Bush: Is He a Liar?

After reading the speech given by AL GORE, as brought to us by the erudite and most highly learned Debra L A W, I am even more convinced that he, Al Gore, should run again in 2008. He is one of the most brilliant and most highly principled former legislators in America.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, who appears to be losing support from the hard left in her state for her ( gasp) support of the Iraq War. is slipping fast.

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What do Presidents say about former Cabinet Members when they are replaced?

Here is what President Clinton said in 1996 about the former Secretary of Defense and the former Secretary of State:

Quote:

Earlier, I had the opportunity to pay tribute to the contributions of Secretary Christopher. I want to say again how much I appreciate what he has done.

But today, I also want to thank Bill Perry for being one of the finest defense secretaries in the history of the United States. I thank you, Bill, and I will miss both of you very much

End of quote:

Apparently Bill Perry was "one of the finest defense secrataries in the history of the United States".

Despite the fact that Mr.Perry was named as "one of the FINEST defense secretaries in the United States, President Clinton, on that day, named Mr. William Cohen as new defense secrartary.

Could the words, "fine" and "finest", be suffering from misuse?

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Gatos, please to inform me as I need this help from you. The words "Chinese Take-out" confuse me as I have never dated a chinese person and am not familiar with "take-out" especially with the ethnic classification "chinese."

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BernardR wrote:

President Bush said- "No, he has not talked to me about his resignation"----If Mr. Snow did talk to President Bush about his resignation, then the President told a lie.

I just thought I'd bold and resize, since I know it just kills you to even think such a thing is possible and I know your brain is already furiously trying to erase the concept from your mind.

BernardR, this is why no one takes you seriously. We just gave you a straight up perfect example of a Bush lie, and even in the face of such proof, you can't bring yourself to admit it. You STILL have to qualify your response with "IF."

Then to top it off, you have to follow it up with not one, not two, but THREE completely off topic Clinton related threads. Your grasping at straws in a desperate attempt to offset the trauma your mind is going through because it has to actually recognize the concept that Bush is capable of doing wrong.

What a sad person you are. You have my sympathy.

*edit*

BernardR wrote:

Could the words, "fine" and "finest", be suffering from misuse?

Holy crap, I didn't even get to read that part before. Laughing

Seriously man, now your just embarassing yourself at this point. You should salvage the tiny amount of respect some people may still have for you and either let the topic die, or try going in another direction. It's just getting silly now.

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Debra_Law wrote:

Go back to the beginning of the thread, Brandon, and start there. No one here is required to recreate the entire thread for you simply because you choose to ignore what has already been posted.

On the other hand, it's all to easy to claim numerous examples of proven lies when the truth is somewhat different. I have never asked for anyone to recreate a thread for me, or anything close to that. Generally all I ask for is one solid example. If there were so many proven lies, I wouldn't get so much resistance to even posting a link to one of them.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Brandon, I've done exactly what you've asked three or four times now. You've failed to respond to any of them; in a few cases we heard a 'I don't know enough about that issue' from ya, but that doesn't change anything.

Cycloptichorn

The thing about Snow resigning, above on this page may be a lie, but it's in sharp contrast to the absolute refusal to give specifics which I usually get on this topic. In general, my requests for an example, or even just a citation to a post with an example, are met only with refusal, with one rationalization or another.

I must say, though, that declining to reveal information about someone resigning, while a lie, if true, is not in the same category as lying about taking a bribe, or lying about events surrounding an attempt to profit from criminality.

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Lies have categories now? Is the question now, does president Bush tell really bad lies?

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Brandon9000 wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Brandon, I've done exactly what you've asked three or four times now. You've failed to respond to any of them; in a few cases we heard a 'I don't know enough about that issue' from ya, but that doesn't change anything.

Cycloptichorn

The thing about Snow resigning, above on this page may be a lie, but it's in sharp contrast to the absolute refusal to give specifics which I usually get on this topic. In general, my requests for an example, or even just a citation to a post with an example, are met only with refusal, with one rationalization or another.

I must say, though, that declining to reveal information about someone resigning, while a lie, if true, is not in the same category as lying about taking a bribe, or lying about events surrounding an attempt to profit from criminality.

Your flat out refusal to go back and look at the specifics that have been given here many times is interesting Brandon. Keep claiming no one gave any if it makes you feel better or create categories of lies to show how it wasn't a lie since it wasn't a BIG lie. The reality is quite different.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2028250#2028250
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027036#2027036
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027202#2027202
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026622#2026622
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026819#2026819

And that is just a sample from the first 7 pages...

I hardly think it is necessary for someone to provide a link if they cite when and where the quote was from. It is easy to find any of the quotes with google.

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The thing about Snow resigning, above on this page may be a lie, but it's in sharp contrast to the absolute refusal to give specifics which I usually get on this topic. In general, my requests for an example, or even just a citation to a post with an example, are met only with refusal, with one rationalization or another.

Perhaps so, but I have given you three or four examples, with specifics, that are direct lies by the president. Yet you continue to claim throughout the thread that nobody has done so. When called on it, you retreat to the position that people generally don't do so.

This whole thread, as I said so many pages ago, is bullsh*t... you aren't interested in coming to any substantial conclusion, just in riling up the libs.

Cycloptichorn

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parados wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Brandon, I've done exactly what you've asked three or four times now. You've failed to respond to any of them; in a few cases we heard a 'I don't know enough about that issue' from ya, but that doesn't change anything.

Cycloptichorn

The thing about Snow resigning, above on this page may be a lie, but it's in sharp contrast to the absolute refusal to give specifics which I usually get on this topic. In general, my requests for an example, or even just a citation to a post with an example, are met only with refusal, with one rationalization or another.

I must say, though, that declining to reveal information about someone resigning, while a lie, if true, is not in the same category as lying about taking a bribe, or lying about events surrounding an attempt to profit from criminality.

Your flat out refusal to go back and look at the specifics that have been given here many times is interesting Brandon. Keep claiming no one gave any if it makes you feel better or create categories of lies to show how it wasn't a lie since it wasn't a BIG lie. The reality is quite different.

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2028250#2028250
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027036#2027036
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027202#2027202
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026622#2026622
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026819#2026819

And that is just a sample from the first 7 pages...

I hardly think it is necessary for someone to provide a link if they cite when and where the quote was from. It is easy to find any of the quotes with google.

When I edited that sentence, I made an error that made it unclear. What I meant to say was that Cycloptichorn's willingness to give an example is in sharp contrast to the refusal to give one I usually encounter. I will now examine your citations.

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parados wrote:

Brandon9000 wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Brandon, I've done exactly what you've asked three or four times now. You've failed to respond to any of them; in a few cases we heard a 'I don't know enough about that issue' from ya, but that doesn't change anything.

Cycloptichorn

The thing about Snow resigning, above on this page may be a lie, but it's in sharp contrast to the absolute refusal to give specifics which I usually get on this topic. In general, my requests for an example, or even just a citation to a post with an example, are met only with refusal, with one rationalization or another.

I must say, though, that declining to reveal information about someone resigning, while a lie, if true, is not in the same category as lying about taking a bribe, or lying about events surrounding an attempt to profit from criminality.

Your flat out refusal to go back and look at the specifics that have been given here many times is interesting Brandon. Keep claiming no one gave any if it makes you feel better or create categories of lies to show how it wasn't a lie since it wasn't a BIG lie. The reality is quite different.

[http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2028250#2028250

I don't believe that "We must uncover every detail and learn every lesson of September the 11th," is the kind of sentence that is particularly susceptible to being a lie. It's only a statement of a philosophical guideline. It doesn't literally mean that each and every detail will be announced publicly nor every request for an inquiry granted. It doesn't mean that Bush must waste his time on every Democratic suggestion designed to destroy him. It probably contains a silent, "consistent with our interests."

parados wrote:

[http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027036#2027036

Maybe. I'm really not competent to speak to the status of Social Security.

parados wrote:

[http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027202#2027202

I really don't know whether the statements about wiretaps are lies or not. It's one of the few potential lies advanced by the libs that at least warrants examination.

parados wrote:

[http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026622#2026622

Changing one's mind or one's priorities as time passes certainly doesn't constitute a lie.

parados wrote:

[http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2026819#2026819

Here is the quotation in question:

Quote:

"We have also discovered through intelligence
that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas."

State of the Union Address - 1/28/2003
Claim:
Iraq has a growing fleet of planes capable of dispersing chemical weapons almost anywhere in the world

Not True

Zero Aerial Vehicles Found
Not a single aerial vehicle capable of dispersing chemical or biological weapons, has been found anywhere in Iraq

This leads me to think that the president and others absolutely believed this:

Source

I see a lot of accusations of lying by the president's political opponents, but many of the accusations are absurd, the ones that aren't absurd are complex and unclear, and none is in the category of a simple out and out lie like, "I never met with Mr. Smith or accepted any money from him."

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Brandon9000 wrote:

In general, my requests for an example, or even just a citation to a post with an example, are met only with refusal, with one rationalization or another.

Oh, the irony!

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This is why Brandon is such a peerless debater. Nothing touches him-it's like he's invulnerable.

Or maybe invisible...

Or maybe a figment of our imagination...

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Quote:

Maybe. I'm really not competent to speak to the status of Social Security.
parados wrote:
[http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027202#2027202

I really don't know whether the statements about wiretaps are lies or not. It's one of the few potential lies advanced by the libs that at least warrants examination.

Yet somehow no one has yet presented anything approaching a lie? I think you just don't want to deal with anything that approaches a lie because it might require you to change your mind.

On more than one occassion you have said you don't know enough to comment but then you don't try to know any more. The ostrich syndrome if ever I saw it.

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parados wrote:

Quote:
Maybe. I'm really not competent to speak to the status of Social Security.
parados wrote:
[http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2027202#2027202

I really don't know whether the statements about wiretaps are lies or not. It's one of the few potential lies advanced by the libs that at least warrants examination.

Yet somehow no one has yet presented anything approaching a lie? I think you just don't want to deal with anything that approaches a lie because it might require you to change your mind.

On more than one occassion you have said you don't know enough to comment but then you don't try to know any more. The ostrich syndrome if ever I saw it.

Who says I don't try to know anymore? On what basis do you say this? How do you know what research I've done on my own recently? I started a thread about the wiretapping to try to get more facts and it was largely ignored. Your assumption that I haven't done research on these issues during the past week is simply false, and merely stupid, since you have no basis for saying it. You have my sincerest apologies for not being an expert on Social Security projections. I note that you have chosen not to comment on my responses to the other alleged lies.

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Gee Brandon,

You have said you don't know enough on a couple of occassions in this thread then a few days later you say no one has presented any evidence then when presented with those claims you again say you don't know enough. It's pretty easy to see you haven't tried to find out any information. You only want to claim no one has proved anything.

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Bush, October 6, 2004:

Quote:

Because of the attacks of September 11 nearly a million jobs were lost in three months.

Bureau of Labor Statistics, number of jobs reported lost either directly or indirectly because of 9/11: 125,637.

Now I'm waiting for Brandon to claim that 125,637 is "nearly a million."

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DrewDad wrote:

Bush, October 6, 2004:

Quote:
Because of the attacks of September 11 nearly a million jobs were lost in three months.

Bureau of Labor Statistics, number of jobs reported lost either directly or indirectly because of 9/11: 125,637.

Now I'm waiting for Brandon to claim that 125,637 is "nearly a million."

If yo are going to be snide, at least post your source. Otherwise your numbers are simply made up, baseless, and unfactual.

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Quote:

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McGentrix wrote:

DrewDad wrote:
Bush, October 6, 2004:

Quote:
Because of the attacks of September 11 nearly a million jobs were lost in three months.

Bureau of Labor Statistics, number of jobs reported lost either directly or indirectly because of 9/11: 125,637.

Now I'm waiting for Brandon to claim that 125,637 is "nearly a million."

If yo are going to be snide, at least post your source. Otherwise your numbers are simply made up, baseless, and unfactual.

Mmmm.... no. Failure to cite a source does not, in fact, make anything made up, baseless, or unfactual.

Besides, the information given should be enough for you to prove me wrong. Not that you can.

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