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President Bush: Is He a Liar?

 
 
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:02 pm
Amigo wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Amigo wrote:
This is like watching Tyson fight a cheerleader.

Well, since you claim that your side has so conclusively proven Bush is a liar I make the following challenge to you. Please list the Bush lies that have been proven in this thread and include a link to a post that proves each one. You can't and won't.
Yes I can. No I won't.

If Bush came on T.V. and yelled

"I Lied! I've been wacked out on coke and Wild Turkey the whole time. I'm loaded right now! I can't even remember half the ****! What the hell is wrong with you people!"

You would stick ice picks into your lying liberal traitor terrorist ears.

Thanks for your prediction of my behavior. As I thought, you wish to make a lot of claims and steadfastly refuse to support any of them. Have a nice life.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:06 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
You're just mindlessly repeating sayings you are either unable to or unwilling to defend with calm, rational argument.

Oh, the irony!
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:08 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
This has got to be the funniest thread running right now.... Rolling Eyes

Brandon, you have yet to address the "16 words" controversy; your silence on this speaks volumes.

Typically, however, you ignore anything which you cannot address, and choose instead to focus myopically on language interpretation....

Mostly it says that I've never heard of the 16 word controversy. I hate to disappoint you, but I actually have a life in the real world, and don't read every post here. Why don't you tell me what it is so that I may address it. And, need I remind you that you rarely answer questions I ask of you, so why should I answer all of yours? But go ahead, tell me what it is and I'll respond.

If you don't read every post then how can you say that we have not proven that Bush is a liar? I say we have proven it. Now prove me wrong.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:12 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
My understanding is that the president was honestly quoting intelligence reports. Can you make a case that it was a lie?

I've shown references to three separate US inquiries that conflicted with the British report. Plus a memo from Tenet to Rice on the subject. Bush repeatedly chose to continue quoting the British report.

Sounds like a deliberate deception to me.

No go and pout for two days, so you can come back and claim you haven't seen this post....
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:12 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
This has got to be the funniest thread running right now.... Rolling Eyes

Brandon, you have yet to address the "16 words" controversy; your silence on this speaks volumes.

Typically, however, you ignore anything which you cannot address, and choose instead to focus myopically on language interpretation....

Mostly it says that I've never heard of the 16 word controversy. I hate to disappoint you, but I actually have a life in the real world, and don't read every post here. Why don't you tell me what it is so that I may address it. And, need I remind you that you rarely answer questions I ask of you, so why should I answer all of yours? But go ahead, tell me what it is and I'll respond.

If you don't read every post then how can you say that we have not proven that Bush is a liar? I say we have proven it. Now prove me wrong.

Alright, I will do so gladly. Please tell any single statement of his which you allege to be a proven lie and then give me a link to the post in this thread or any other thread which proves it. I'm certainly not going to read every post based on your general allegation that somewhere in there some lie you decline to mention is proven.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:13 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
You're just mindlessly repeating sayings you are either unable to or unwilling to defend with calm, rational argument.

Oh, the irony!

Anyone can call names. Please tell me any allegation I have made on a political issue that I refuse to support with argument.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:21 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
This has got to be the funniest thread running right now.... Rolling Eyes

Brandon, you have yet to address the "16 words" controversy; your silence on this speaks volumes.

Typically, however, you ignore anything which you cannot address, and choose instead to focus myopically on language interpretation....

Mostly it says that I've never heard of the 16 word controversy. I hate to disappoint you, but I actually have a life in the real world, and don't read every post here. Why don't you tell me what it is so that I may address it. And, need I remind you that you rarely answer questions I ask of you, so why should I answer all of yours? But go ahead, tell me what it is and I'll respond.

If you don't read every post then how can you say that we have not proven that Bush is a liar? I say we have proven it. Now prove me wrong.

Alright, I will do so gladly. Please tell any single statement of his which you allege to be a proven lie and then give me a link to the post in this thread or any other thread which proves it. I'm certainly not going to read every post based on your general allegation that somewhere in there some lie you decline to mention is proven.

Nope. I've already shown him to be a liar. (See my last post above.)

No go off on your rant about "honest debate."

<snicker>
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:22 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
You're just mindlessly repeating sayings you are either unable to or unwilling to defend with calm, rational argument.

Oh, the irony!

Anyone can call names. Please tell me any allegation I have made on a political issue that I refuse to support with argument.

Please provide a link to a "calm, rational argument" that you have made.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sat 20 May, 2006 11:40 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
You're just mindlessly repeating sayings you are either unable to or unwilling to defend with calm, rational argument.

Oh, the irony!

Anyone can call names. Please tell me any allegation I have made on a political issue that I refuse to support with argument.

Please provide a link to a "calm, rational argument" that you have made.

This post:

Example
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 12:42 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
You're just mindlessly repeating sayings you are either unable to or unwilling to defend with calm, rational argument.

Oh, the irony!

Anyone can call names. Please tell me any allegation I have made on a political issue that I refuse to support with argument.

Please provide a link to a "calm, rational argument" that you have made.

This post:

Example

I would call that "rationalized," not "rational."

Thank you for playing, however. Please accept this GWB bobble-head as your concession prize....
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 07:41 am
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
You're just mindlessly repeating sayings you are either unable to or unwilling to defend with calm, rational argument.

Oh, the irony!

Anyone can call names. Please tell me any allegation I have made on a political issue that I refuse to support with argument.

Please provide a link to a "calm, rational argument" that you have made.

This post:

Example

I would call that "rationalized," not "rational."

Thank you for playing, however. Please accept this GWB bobble-head as your concession prize....

My point is that its an example of debating the underlying topic in a dignified manner, without finding it necessary to use childish insults as a central part of my strategy.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 08:08 am
Here is a lie that Bush repeated numerous times. He said that, in so many years, there would be no money to pay social security recipients. This is a flat-out lie inasmuch just the current contributions to SS would fund 72% of paid-out benefits.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 08:20 am
Bush: bragged that in Texas he was signing up children for the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) as "fast as any other state."

Fact: "As governor he fought to unsuccessfully to limit access to the program. He would have limited its coverage to children with family incomes up to 150 percent of the poverty level, though federal law permitted up to 200 percent. The practical effect of Bush's efforts would have been to exclude 200,000 of the 500,000 possible enrollees." Washington Post, 10/12/00
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 08:21 am
Advocate wrote:
Here is a lie that Bush repeated numerous times. He said that, in so many years, there would be no money to pay social security recipients. This is a flat-out lie inasmuch just the current contributions to SS would fund 72% of paid-out benefits.


Where is the other 28% going to come from?
How long would it remain at 72% before it went down even further?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 08:25 am
Where is the other 28% going to come from? FROM NOWHERE!
How long would it remain at 72% before it went down even further? IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 08:29 am
Advocate wrote:
Where is the other 28% going to come from? FROM NOWHERE!
How long would it remain at 72% before it went down even further? IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!


So,that means that people wont get 100% of what they put in,or it would mean going into debt even further,right?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 08:52 am
First, SS recipients get back much more than they put in.

Second, you would have to ask Bush for the answers to your latest questions. I was only responding to his false premise.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 08:59 am
Advocate wrote:
First, SS recipients get back much more than they put in.

Second, you would have to ask Bush for the answers to your latest questions. I was only responding to his false premise.


I dont know if its a lie or not.
Did he say exactly how many years?

If all he said was "in so many years",then he couldnt have been lying.
He would have been trying to predict the future,and nobody can do that.
Will there be money in 100 years,200,500?

Nobody knows,so if you quoted him correctly,there is no way you can say he lied.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 09:07 am
On the Social Security issue. So who's lying? The President? Or those who accuse him of lying?

January 14, 2005, 8:07 a.m.
"Save Social Security First"?SOURCE
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sun 21 May, 2006 10:03 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
You're just mindlessly repeating sayings you are either unable to or unwilling to defend with calm, rational argument.

Oh, the irony!

Anyone can call names. Please tell me any allegation I have made on a political issue that I refuse to support with argument.

It is true that anyone can call names. I, however, limit my name-calling to a few truely ridiculous personalities.
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