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President Bush: Is He a Liar?

 
 
blatham
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 06:56 am
It's going to be very interesting indeed to see what direction the RR decides to take over the next couple of years. As some of them have come to understand, the profits-first "ethic" of the business community has no internal moral component - if it turns a profit, it's good.

The cooperation of these two very distinct groups has been hugely successful in achieving electoral dominance (and propaganda success) but now the differences in policy direction and content have become manifest.

In a face-off between these two, the RR is going to be toast. There's just no comparison in resources nor in the weight of hands on the levers of power in the US.

That is the dynamic pushing for the RR's continued cooperation in the Republican machine. And they don't have the electoral clout to go it alone, at least successfully. But they may well believe that is possible (please, god).

The corporate camp's direction and choices will be determined by wind direction alone. Note Rupert Murdoch's recent cooperative efforts with...the Clintons!!! for goodness sakes. Could Fox shift over to being a leftie network?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 07:57 am
It seems to me that Woodward's book has put to bed any doubt that Bush is a congenital liar.

BTW, who would you believe: Bob Woodward or George Bush?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 03:38 pm
blatham wrote:


America's Right Turn: How Conservatives Used New and Alternative Media to Take Power
Liberal media activists beware! Richard A. Viguerie, venture capitalist of the conservative movement (described as funding father of the right) and David Franke, a founder of the conservative movement, detail how conservatives-shut out by the liberal mass media of the 1950s and '60s-came to power by utilizing new and alternative media, and then created their own mass media.
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Sounds like a statement that the media is right leaning. However, the media the left used during the 1960s is almost gone.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 5 Oct, 2006 03:43 pm
blatham wrote:


America's Right Turn: How Conservatives Used New and Alternative Media to Take Power
Liberal media activists beware! Richard A. Viguerie, venture capitalist of the conservative movement (described as funding father of the right) and David Franke, a founder of the conservative movement, detail how conservatives-shut out by the liberal mass media of the 1950s and '60s-came to power by utilizing new and alternative media, and then created their own mass media.
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Sounds like a statement that the media is right leaning. However, the media the left used during the 1960s is almost gone.
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MarionT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 12:41 am
The media is totally controlled by the conservatives and the right wing. Even though there are a few who are allowed to tell the truth, in the long run, the media always backs conservatives. If you look to see what has happened in the past to good Liberals who tried to set this country straight and how they were maligned in the media, you will understand.
Eugene McCarthy, one of the finest minds of the last century, was vilified over and over by the media. They never gave George McGovern a chance and those who read political history know that the man who was perhaps the most intellectual of all, Adlai Stevenson, was crushed by the right wing. The media is controlled by the bankers and the oil cartel and anyone who has watched good people steamrollered by them knows that.
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 01:10 am
MarionT wrote:
The media is totally controlled by the conservatives and the right wing. Even though there are a few who are allowed to tell the truth, in the long run, the media always backs conservatives. If you look to see what has happened in the past to good Liberals who tried to set this country straight and how they were maligned in the media, you will understand.

Eugene McCarthy, one of the finest minds of the last century, was vilified over and over by the media. They never gave George McGovern a chance and those who read political history know that the man who was perhaps the most intellectual of all, Adlai Stevenson, was crushed by the right wing. The media is controlled by the bankers and the oil cartel and anyone who has watched good people steamrollered by them knows that.



How many sock puppets does this poster have?
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MarionT
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 02:08 am
The media is totally controlled by the conservatives and the right wing. Even though there are a few who are allowed to tell the truth, in the long run, the media always backs conservatives. If you look to see what has happened in the past to good Liberals who tried to set this country straight and how they were maligned in the media, you will understand.
Eugene McCarthy, one of the finest minds of the last century, was vilified over and over by the media. They never gave George McGovern a chance and those who read political history know that the man who was perhaps the most intellectual of all, Adlai Stevenson, was crushed by the right wing. The media is controlled by the bankers and the oil cartel and anyone who has watched good people steamrollered by them knows that.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 03:19 am
Debra Law wrote:
MarionT wrote:
The media is totally controlled by the conservatives and the right wing. Even though there are a few who are allowed to tell the truth, in the long run, the media always backs conservatives. If you look to see what has happened in the past to good Liberals who tried to set this country straight and how they were maligned in the media, you will understand.

Eugene McCarthy, one of the finest minds of the last century, was vilified over and over by the media. They never gave George McGovern a chance and those who read political history know that the man who was perhaps the most intellectual of all, Adlai Stevenson, was crushed by the right wing. The media is controlled by the bankers and the oil cartel and anyone who has watched good people steamrollered by them knows that.



How many sock puppets does this poster have?



"Our name is Legion, for we are many."
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 07:47 am
Are you guys actually saying he or she is wrong? That might be an interesting discussion.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 11:30 am
Debra Law wrote:
MarionT wrote:
The media is totally controlled by the conservatives and the right wing. Even though there are a few who are allowed to tell the truth, in the long run, the media always backs conservatives. If you look to see what has happened in the past to good Liberals who tried to set this country straight and how they were maligned in the media, you will understand.

Eugene McCarthy, one of the finest minds of the last century, was vilified over and over by the media. They never gave George McGovern a chance and those who read political history know that the man who was perhaps the most intellectual of all, Adlai Stevenson, was crushed by the right wing. The media is controlled by the bankers and the oil cartel and anyone who has watched good people steamrollered by them knows that.



How many sock puppets does this poster have?


I thought you would be agreeing with MarionT??????????????? He or she is on your side, so wake up!!!!!!!!!
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 11:31 am
You wake up! MarionT isn't on anyone's side but his own. He is trolling, plain and simple; agreeing with him is the height of idiocy.

Cycloptichorn
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 01:41 pm
Did anyone see Keith Olbermann last night? He presented an amazing monologue for about 15 minutes enumerating about 25 Bush lies. Moreover, in my view, his accusations were unassailable.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 03:08 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
You wake up! MarionT isn't on anyone's side but his own. He is trolling, plain and simple; agreeing with him is the height of idiocy.

Cycloptichorn

Possum is always on my side, he/she/it is a valuable aide in my dilberations re Cosmology/Socratic methods and the Univ of Chicago.. He has even admitted to taking a wiz in his sink but using a urinal deoderant cake while having a sexual fantasy about Richard Posner.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 03:19 pm
We can only assume that you guys who are spending so much time and verbage excoriating MarionT are 100% opposed to what he (she?) is saying. I find that fascinating.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 04:50 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
We can only assume that you guys who are spending so much time and verbage excoriating MarionT are 100% opposed to what he (she?) is saying. I find that fascinating.


We? And you know what happens when you assume?
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kiwimac
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 07:48 pm
In reply to the OP, I would simply ask " Does a bear **** in the woods?"
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snood
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 08:22 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
We can only assume that you guys who are spending so much time and verbage excoriating MarionT are 100% opposed to what he (she?) is saying. I find that fascinating.


Foxfyre, I will say this once more. I and others have already said it, but evidently you didn't notice, or you saw it and you don't care, but here goes...

MarionT is just another incarnation of the same vile person who was not long ago calling him'her/it self Bernard, trying to stir shyt from the rightwingnut position. Now he/she/it is back, trying to stir up shyt from the leftwingnut position. He/she/it takes pleasure in getting everyone all worked up about any frikking thing at all - it doesn't matter. He/she/it thrives on contention - nothing more. Not making or defending a point, not clarifying anything or edifying anyone - just stirring up more shyt.

Now, you and I don't agree on much, but I would be willing to bet that you would not want to consciously go along with the harebrained plans of someone who has been identified as a crappy little troll.

If I have misjudged you and you would rather help this thing stir, then God bless you, and have a nice day.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 10:13 pm
It just seems like a powerful lot of pages and verbage and attention devoted to one "crappy little troll" don't you think?
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Intrepid
 
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Reply Fri 6 Oct, 2006 10:14 pm
Especially when folks continue to post about it.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 7 Oct, 2006 06:06 am
Iraq...hell, it's just the very picture of good news and progress and administration competence and honesty.

Apparently, condi's security is now being handled by the liberal media....

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As the New York Times reports, conditions in Baghad are so dangerous that Rice -- usually the very picture of modern fashion as she touches down in foreign capitals -- was forced to arrive in Iraq "wearing a helmet and a flak jacket and flanked by machine-gun-toting bodyguards to defend against insurgents."

That's once she got there. As the Times reports, the secretary couldn't just fly into Baghdad on her State Department jet and take the customary Town Car ride on her rounds. Instead, Rice had to fly to Turkey, where she ditched her usual plane for a C-17A equipped with antimissile technology. Even that wasn't enough, however. As the military transport plane approached Baghdad, pilots were forced to circle high for about 40 minutes because rocket or mortar fire was coming from somewhere around the airport.

Once Rice finally touched down, the military shuffled her into a helicopter for the short trip to the Green Zone; the highway from the airport is still too dangerous for travel.

Things didn't get much better as the day went on. Iraqi officials said that at least 35 people were killed or found dead around the country Thursday; 27 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq so far this week. While Rice didn't come face-to-face with any of that violence, she did get one small glimpse of what life is like in Baghdad now: The lights went out in the midst of Rice's meeting with Iraqi President Jalal Talabani -- "a reminder," the Times says, that Baghdad's electrical service is "erratic and sometimes nonexistent."
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