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President Bush: Is He a Liar?

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 14 Sep, 2006 04:37 pm
bush attacked Iraq for two reasons: Saddam put out on contract on bush's father and bush has a Savior complex.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 01:37 pm
When we invaded, the administration had a map dividing Iraq among the various oil companies. He spoke about having political capital and his intention of spending it. MM, I am sorry that you don't follow current events, because you would have seen these things.

Also, he said a number of times that he didn't believe in changing regimes and nation building.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 01:41 pm
Cheney's Oil Maps
Can the Real Reason for War be This Crass?
By MANO SINGHAM

Now that the official case for attacking Iraq made by the US and British governments has started to unravel, the question of the real reason for unleashing this death and destruction has become a hot topic of conversation again.

During the run-up to the invasion on Iraq, while speaking at teach-ins and other forums and taking part in other anti-war activities, I was somewhat skeptical of those who argued that the war was simply about getting hold of Iraqi oil for American oil companies. I cringed a little at the slogans and placards that said "No blood for oil!" , "No war for oil!", etc., and disagreed with those that the attack was due to a simple quid pro quo between the administration and its oil company cronies. While I found the administration's case for war to be unbelievable, the 'war for oil' thesis seemed to me to be a far too simplistic approach to global politics.

I fancied my self to be a much more sophisticated geo-strategic analyst. Of course, the fact that Iraq had the world's second largest reserves could not be coincidental and definitely played a role in the war plans. But I thought it more likely that broader geopolitical concerns were more dominant, such as showing the world that the US had the power to enforce its will anywhere, and to establish a long-term and secure strategic base in the middle east from which to ensure dominance of the region. To the extent that oil played a role, I thought that purpose of the war was not mainly to divert Iraqi oil revenues to US companies but instead to ensure control over the oil flow to the rest of the world so that economic rivals such as Europe and Japan, whose economies were dependent on middle east oil, would be forced to be subservient to US global interests and pressure.

The thought that the war was actually about making money for individuals and corporations in the short term did not seem to me to be credible. That was too petty and crass.

That was why I was stunned to read the press release put out by the public interest group Judicial Watch on July 17, 2003. This organization, along with the Sierra Club, had argued that both the membership of the Energy Task Force chaired by Vice-President Cheney and the proceedings of its meetings should be made public and had sought the information under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) since April 19, 2001. The Vice President had vigorously opposed this opening up of its activities and so a lawsuit was filed. On March 5, 2002 the US District Judge ordered the government to produce the documents, which was finally done by the Commerce Department just recently.

The Judicial Watch press release states that these released documents "contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts." The documents, which are dated March 2001, are available on the Internet at: www.JudicialWatch.org."

The press release continues: "The Saudi Arabian and United Arab Emirates (UAE) documents likewise feature a map of each country's oilfields, pipelines, refineries and tanker terminals. There are supporting charts with details of the major oil and gas development projects in each country that provide information on the projects, costs, capacity, oil company and status or completion date."

This foreign policy involvement is a somewhat surprising turn of events. The original FOIA case was initiated (before 9/11 and before the ratcheting up of the attack on Iraq) because of more domestic concerns, specifically suspicions that the membership of the Energy Task Force may have included people such as Ken Lay of Enron Corporation who may have been in a position to exercise undue influence over government energy policy at the expense of the public interest.

Now, other news items come to my mind, all pointing in the direction of Cheney. Although generally keeping a low profile in his frequent stays at his hideout, Cheney has been one of the most adamant proponents of attacking Iraq and hyping its threat. He has made some of the most authoritative statements that Iraq already had weapons of mass destruction, saying things like "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." (August 26, 2002) and "And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons." (March 16, 2003), the latter statement made just three days before the invasion.

It is also Cheney who reportedly had the most involvement in the fraud involving Iraqi uranium purchase from Niger, reportedly initiating the sending of Ambassador Wilson to that country to investigate. It is also Cheney who is reportedly the driving force behind the President's foreign policy and serves as his main strategist and mentor.

So perhaps my friends in the antiwar movement were right all along. Perhaps we have reached such a nadir that foreign policy (and even wars) can be made, and people sent to certain death, for such crass reasons. Perhaps it is time to put the Vice-President under much closer scrutiny.

Mano Singham is a physicist and educator at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, Ohio. He can be reached at: [email protected]
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Advocate
 
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Reply Fri 15 Sep, 2006 02:17 pm
Regarding Bush's statements regarding gaining political capital, etc., see:

"I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it," a newly-reelected President Bush declared in Nov. 2004. Less than halfway through his second term, Bush is finding his account is overdrawn. Clinging to failing war on terror policies (ranging from his illegal domestic wiretapping program to his illegally-constituted military tribunals and his push for torture), Bush trekked to Capitol Hill yesterday to engage face-to-face with key members of his political party who are leading the opposition to a White House plan for interrogating and prosecuting terrorism suspects. The visit did little to change any minds; the Senate Armed Services Committee rejected Bush's plan for the treatment of detainees just hours after he left. Some of the president's traditional allies have so far been unwilling to stomach Bush's bad terror policies, frustrating Karl Rove's efforts to play politics with the issue. Three conservative military veterans -- Sens. John Warner (R-VA), Lindsey Graham (R-SC), and John McCain (R-AZ) -- have led the rebellion, gaining the support of other colleagues, including Maine Sen. Susan Collins (R). Bush also met recently with a host of conservative journalists, seeking their support in the battle he now faces. "[T]here might be some Independents I can convince, but the key will be whether Republicans understand the stakes," he told them. Bush can expect a majority of Americans and members of Congress to continue to oppose him as long as he inflexibly holds to his rejected policies with the mindset that only his understanding is the correct one.
--AmericanProgressAction
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xingu
 
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Reply Sun 17 Sep, 2006 09:05 am
The Bush administration just can't let go of their lies.

Quote:
Cheney reasserts Iraq/al-Qaeda links
Demetri Sevastopulo | September 10

FT - US Vice-President Dick Cheney repeated assertions on Sunday on links between the former Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda despite a recent Senate intelligence committee report that concluded otherwise. In defending the decision to invade Iraq despite its lack of weapons of mass destruction, Mr Cheney said the fact that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the former head of al-Qaeda in Iraq who was killed in a US air strike this year, was in Baghdad before the war was evidence that Iraq had links to al-Qaeda.

But a Senate intelligence committee report on prewar Iraq intelligence released on Friday concluded that there was no evidence that Mr Hussein's Ba'athist regime had either harboured or turned a blind eye to Mr Zarqawi.
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xingu
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 04:41 am
These people just can't stop lying.

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The Longer the War, the Larger the Lies
By Frank Rich

09/17/06 'New York Times" -- -- RARELY has a television network presented a more perfectly matched double feature. President Bush's 9/11 address on Monday night interrupted ABC's "Path to 9/11" so seamlessly that a single network disclaimer served them both: "For dramatic and narrative purposes, the movie contains fictionalized scenes, composite and representative characters and dialogue, as well as time compression."

No kidding: "The Path to 9/11" was false from the opening scene, when it put Mohamed Atta both in the wrong airport (Boston instead of Portland, Me.) and on the wrong airline (American instead of USAirways). It took Mr. Bush but a few paragraphs to warm up to his first fictionalization for dramatic purposes: his renewed pledge that "we would not distinguish between the terrorists and those who harbor or support them." Only days earlier the White House sat idly by while our ally Pakistan surrendered to Islamic militants in its northwest frontier, signing a "truce" and releasing Al Qaeda prisoners. Not only will Pakistan continue to harbor terrorists, Osama bin Laden probably among them, but it will do so without a peep from Mr. Bush.

You'd think that after having been caught concocting the scenario that took the nation to war in Iraq, the White House would mind the facts now. But this administration understands our culture all too well. This is a country where a cable news network (MSNBC) offers in-depth journalism about one of its anchors (Tucker Carlson) losing a prime-time dance contest and where conspiracy nuts have created a cottage industry of books and DVD's by arguing that hijacked jets did not cause 9/11 and that the 9/11 commission was a cover-up. (The fictionalized "Path to 9/11," supposedly based on the commission's report, only advanced the nuts' case.) If you're a White House stuck in a quagmire in an election year, what's the percentage in starting to tell the truth now? It's better to game the system.

The untruths are flying so fast that untangling them can be a full-time job. Maybe that's why I am beginning to find Dick Cheney almost refreshing. As we saw on "Meet the Press" last Sunday, these days he helpfully signals when he's about to lie. One dead giveaway is the word context, as in "the context in which I made that statement last year." The vice president invoked "context" to try to explain away both his bogus predictions: that Americans would be greeted as liberators in Iraq and that the insurgency (some 15 months ago) was in its "last throes."

The other instant tip-off to a Cheney lie is any variation on the phrase "I haven't read the story." He told Tim Russert he hadn't read The Washington Post's front-page report that the bin Laden trail had gone "stone cold" or the new Senate Intelligence Committee report(PDF)Jim Miklaszewski of NBC News reportedwas leaving for Iran to jolly up Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Perhaps the only way to strike back against this fresh deluge of fiction is to call the White House's bluff. On Monday night, for instance, Mr. Bush flatly declared that "the safety of America depends on the outcome of the battle in the streets of Baghdad." He once again invoked Franklin Roosevelt and Harry Truman, asking, "Do we have the confidence to do in the Middle East what our fathers and grandfathers accomplished in Europe and Asia?"

Rather than tune this bluster out, as the country now does, let's try a thought experiment. Let's pretend everything Mr. Bush said is actually true and then hold him to his word. If the safety of America really depends on the outcome of the battle in the streets of Baghdad, then our safety is in grave peril because we are losing that battle. The security crackdown announced with great fanfare by Mr. Bush and Mr. Maliki in June is failing. Rosy American claims of dramatically falling murder rates are being challenged by the Baghdad morgue. Perhaps most tellingly, the Pentagon has nowstopped including in its own tally the large numbers of victims killed by car bombings and mortar attacks in sectarian warfare.

And that's the good news. Another large slice of Iraq, Anbar Province (almost a third of the country), is slipping away so fast that a senior military official told NBC News last week that 50,000 to 60,000 additional ground forces were needed to secure it, despite our huge sacrifice in two savage battles for Falluja. The Iraqi troops "standing up" in Anbar are deserting at a rate as high as 40 percent.

"Even the most sanguine optimist cannot yet conclude we are winning," John Lehman, the former Reagan Navy secretary, wrote of the Iraq war last month. So what do we do next? Given that the current course is a fiasco, and that the White House demonizes any plan or timetable for eventual withdrawal as "cut and run," there's only one immediate alternative: add more manpower, and fast. Last week two conservative war supporters, William Kristol and Rich Lowry, called for exactly that
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 01:55 pm
Is there a statue of bush (somewhere) that we can pull down?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 01:57 pm
plainoldme wrote:
bush attacked Iraq for two reasons: Saddam put out on contract on bush's father and bush has a Savior complex.

Although it wasn't the reason we invaded Iraq, for a foreign leader to attempt to assasinate a former president of the United States is certainly sufficient justification for us to invade.
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 02:07 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
plainoldme wrote:
bush attacked Iraq for two reasons: Saddam put out on contract on bush's father and bush has a Savior complex.

Although it wasn't the reason we invaded Iraq, for a foreign leader to attempt to assasinate a former president of the United States is certainly sufficient justification for us to invade.

There was no attempt Brandon. There was intelligence to suggest it was being considered.

However the US DID attempt to kill Saddam with airstrikes. Does that mean the rest of the world can invade the US?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 02:22 pm
parados wrote:

There was no attempt Brandon. There was intelligence to suggest it was being considered.

However the US DID attempt to kill Saddam with airstrikes. Does that mean the rest of the world can invade the US?


We opened ourself to the possibility. How stupid can we be?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 02:22 pm
parados wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
plainoldme wrote:
bush attacked Iraq for two reasons: Saddam put out on contract on bush's father and bush has a Savior complex.

Although it wasn't the reason we invaded Iraq, for a foreign leader to attempt to assasinate a former president of the United States is certainly sufficient justification for us to invade.

There was no attempt Brandon. There was intelligence to suggest it was being considered.

However the US DID attempt to kill Saddam with airstrikes. Does that mean the rest of the world can invade the US?


Au contraire:

Quote:
Clinton said he ordered the attack after receiving "compelling evidence" from U.S. intelligence officials that Bush had been the target of an assassination plot and that the plot was "directed and pursued by the Iraqi Intelligence Service."


Washington Post

Just for the record, do you think that an attempt or conspiracy by a foreign government to assasinate a former American president is not sufficient cause to invade? I want to emphasize that I don't think that this is why we invaded, and I'm just asking you a hypothetical question.
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sunlover
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 03:16 pm
I'll just answer the question asked, "Is George Bush a liar?"

No, I don't think Bush is a liar, he fully believes what he thinks and thus, does, is the right thing to do. Obviously, tons of people don't agree. His major problem stems from a lack of understanding just what would follow after Iraq was bombed. Surprise! Nobody even speaks English and America knows nothing of "occupying" a country it has, actually, conquered. There was no Plan I, nevermind a Plan 2.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 06:49 pm
We have destroyed Iraq and killed over 100,000. This doesn't mention our losses in troops and treasury. At what point have we sufficiently avenged the attack on Bush's father?
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 08:28 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
parados wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
plainoldme wrote:
bush attacked Iraq for two reasons: Saddam put out on contract on bush's father and bush has a Savior complex.

Although it wasn't the reason we invaded Iraq, for a foreign leader to attempt to assasinate a former president of the United States is certainly sufficient justification for us to invade.

There was no attempt Brandon. There was intelligence to suggest it was being considered.

However the US DID attempt to kill Saddam with airstrikes. Does that mean the rest of the world can invade the US?


Au contraire:

Quote:
Clinton said he ordered the attack after receiving "compelling evidence" from U.S. intelligence officials that Bush had been the target of an assassination plot and that the plot was "directed and pursued by the Iraqi Intelligence Service."


Washington Post

Just for the record, do you think that an attempt or conspiracy by a foreign government to assasinate a former American president is not sufficient cause to invade? I want to emphasize that I don't think that this is why we invaded, and I'm just asking you a hypothetical question.


uh uh Brandon and this attempt happened on what date? There may have been a plot there was NOT an attempt. Do you think an ACTUAL attempt is reason to invade the US?
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MarionT
 
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Reply Mon 18 Sep, 2006 11:39 pm
There's no evidence that Saddam wanted to assassinate Bushie's father. That is a myth created by the conservatives.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 07:16 am
Here's what Seymour Hersh had to say about the assassination attempt.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:21 pm
MarionT wrote:
There's no evidence that Saddam wanted to assassinate Bushie's father. That is a myth created by the conservatives.


Define conservative.
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xingu
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:35 pm
I don't care if Saddam wanted to assissnate Bush or not. That is not a reason to invade Iraq.

How many times have we tried to kill Castro? I suppose it's alright for us to try to kill other nations leaders but it's a sin if they do it to us.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:45 pm
xingu wrote:
I don't care if Saddam wanted to assissnate Bush or not. That is not a reason to invade Iraq.

How many times have we tried to kill Castro? I suppose it's alright for us to try to kill other nations leaders but it's a sin if they do it to us.

If country X tries to assasinate a present or former national leader of country Y, then country Y has a perfect right to respond by going to war with country X. Whether Y has the ability to do so successfully is another matter. I believe this is true no matter which two countries are involved. I shall ignore the usual stupid questions asking me to clarify this opinion.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 19 Sep, 2006 02:45 pm
xingu -- We are so arrogant that we don't believe we are vulnerable. I'm ashamed of this country.
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