President Bush: Is He a Liar?

Fox, but why is it so hard for him to connect Iraq to terrorism? Is it because there is so little connection?

Only about five percent of the people we are fighting in Iraq are foreign. We are, however, breeding terrorists in Iraq, who are fanning throughout the world hoping to kill Americans and our allies.

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Advocate wrote:

Fox, but why is it so hard for him to connect Iraq to terrorism? Is it because there is so little connection?

Only about five percent of the people we are fighting in Iraq are foreign. We are, however, breeding terrorists in Iraq, who are fanning throughout the world hoping to kill Americans and our allies.

The fact that one makes enemies doesn't imply that one is in the wrong. Had there been WMD development programs continuing in Iraq, and had they reached fruition, the results would probably have eventually been awful, and also expensive. Therefore, the only relevant question to ask is what was the likelihood, at the moment of invasion, that hidden WMD development remained. It is irrelevant that you made some enemies, if you did so by doing what was necessary.

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Advocate wrote:

Fox, but why is it so hard for him to connect Iraq to terrorism? Is it because there is so little connection?

Only about five percent of the people we are fighting in Iraq are foreign. We are, however, breeding terrorists in Iraq, who are fanning throughout the world hoping to kill Americans and our allies.

It's hard for him to connect Iraq to terrorism because there are so many people like you who are trying your damndest to make him out to be the devil incarnate or some other unattractive figure, who give him credit for nothing, who have nothing good to say about him, and who will never see anything he says or does as a good thing. And unfortunately, you are a disciple of the Leftwing media who keeps beating that same drum.

Further, I honestly believe that if your side had been the least bit supportive and had gotten behind the President and the military, the whole thing in Iraq would have been pretty much over many months ago. When the MSM gives steady encouragement to the terrorists and little or no support to those trying to rid the world of them, you can see how that is detrimental to any goals of the good guys.

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Holy moley, it is all my fault! I am so sorry.

It is a cute tactic to attack your opponent personally when you have neither the facts nor the law on your side. But we are use to it and, therefor, pretty oblivious of it.

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It's hard for him to connect Iraq to terrorism because there are so many people like you who are trying your damndest to make him out to be the devil incarnate or some other unattractive figure

Unfortunately, as much as you would like to blame us/the 'media,' it is difficult to connect Iraq to terrorism because there isn't a substantial connection between Iraq and terrorism.

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Further, I honestly believe that if your side had been the least bit supportive and had gotten behind the President and the military, the whole thing in Iraq would have been pretty much over many months ago.

How would our support have ended sectarian conflicts in Iraq? Specifically.

Cycloptichorn

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In truth, there is no war on terrorism.

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2006/09/13/there_is_no_war_on_terror.php

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Advocate wrote:

Holy moley, it is all my fault! I am so sorry.

It is a cute tactic to attack your opponent personally when you have neither the facts nor the law on your side. But we are use to it and, therefor, pretty oblivious of it.

I did not attack you personally or at least it was not my intention. I did not say that you intentionally created the situation, but you did ask and I answered as honestly as I could. If you felt that was an attack on you personally, I do apologize. If I didn't respect you, I wouldn't have responded at all to that kind of post. Smile

I believe the facts, history, and the law is on my side. I will refer to months and years of posts on this and myriad threads supporting that as the basis of my opinion on that.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Further, I honestly believe that if your side had been the least bit supportive and had gotten behind the President and the military, the whole thing in Iraq would have been pretty much over many months ago. When the MSM gives steady encouragement to the terrorists and little or no support to those trying to rid the world of them, you can see how that is detrimental to any goals of the good guys.

This is absolute proof thta Foxfyre inhabits some alternate sphere of reality.

Support for the war at the time of the invasion was around 70-80% and anyone who questioned the invasion had their patriotism questioned. Even I was hoodwinked into supporting the invasion. But the ether wore off after awhile and I realized that we were had. The ether nver wore off in FF's case.

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Foxfyre wrote:

I believe the facts, history, and the law is on my side. I will refer to months and years of posts on this and myriad threads supporting that as the basis of my opinion on that.

Of course you believe it. That is the problem.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

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It's hard for him to connect Iraq to terrorism because there are so many people like you who are trying your damndest to make him out to be the devil incarnate or some other unattractive figure

Unfortunately, as much as you would like to blame us/the 'media,' it is difficult to connect Iraq to terrorism because there isn't a substantial connection between Iraq and terrorism.

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Further, I honestly believe that if your side had been the least bit supportive and had gotten behind the President and the military, the whole thing in Iraq would have been pretty much over many months ago.

How would our support have ended sectarian conflicts in Iraq? Specifically.

Cycloptichorn

Of course, she doesn't have an answer but, in fact, until it became evident that the Iraq effort was FUBARed, the admin had near universal support.

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It is a simple question, one that hasn't been answered by any of those who claim that the media and the Left are harming the war effort.

Cycloptichorn

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Asherman wrote:

But then, you're probably in on the conspiracy and will probably recieve the title of Dutchess of Albuquerque after the coupe.

Hey, no way. I want to be Queen Foxfyre or nothing. Very Happy

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Bush can't connect Iraq with the war on terror because Bush's invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terror. When Bush invaded Iraq he declared war on the Iraqi people and that segment of Iraqi people that lost the most are the current fighting insurgents, not international terrorist.

Foxfyre wrote:

It's hard for him to connect Iraq to terrorism because there are so many people like you who are trying your damndest to make him out to be the devil incarnate or some other unattractive figure, who give him credit for nothing, who have nothing good to say about him, and who will never see anything he says or does as a good thing. And unfortunately, you are a disciple of the Leftwing media who keeps beating that same drum.

This is another one of those insult to intelligence statements that Foxfyre puts out on a regular basis.

Would you mind explaining to us why people criticizing Bush makes it is so difficult for him to present facts to show how Iraq is connected to the war on terror? What is he, a wimp? Does he sit in the White House and cry because people are making fun of him and therefore he's afraid to come out and give the facts that will support his case?

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Foxfyre, I think you should submit a resume and try to become Bush's advisor. I see you two have a lot in common.

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Thank you Xingu. There are several issues on which I disagree with my President and I have so advised the White House as well as my elected representatives.

But the President and I do share a vision of optimism, hope, possibilities, and courage. We both can see the tremendous advantages there will be in a free and democratic Iraq in the midst of one of the most oppressive regions in the world where human rights are concerned. That kind of thing generally catches on.

And we share the best policies for taxes, free trade, business, and opportunities made available to all people, appreciation for the importance of the nuclear American family, a belief in a higher spiritual power, and we both know that it is far better when the private sector does the hands on work than when the people leave it up to government to be their nanny.

And we mostly agree on many of the best ways the government can protect the people against people who very much want us dead or subjected to their will.

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But the President and I do share a vision of optimism, hope, possibilities, and courage.

Sure you do; a vision that is devoid of specific details.

Can you tell us how the war effort would have been 'wrapped up in a few months' if we had been on board? Specifically.

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We both can see the tremendous advantages there will be in a free and democratic Iraq in the midst of one of the most oppressive regions in the world where human rights are concerned. That kind of thing generally catches on.

Really? Can you name a place where it has caught on, historically, that would lead you to use the world 'generally?'

It is easy to portray continual optimism when you never bother to provide specifics.

Cycloptichorn

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Not much faith in the lure of democracy, huh Cyclopitrichorn? See thats were we differ a lot. The conservatives and this administration do believe that any People would prefer living with the same rights as Americans enjoy. Of course, some may freely choose to be enslaved to religious despots.

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Asherman wrote:

Not much faith in the lure of democracy, huh Cyclopitrichorn? See thats were we differ a lot. The conservatives and this administration do believe that any People would prefer living with the same rights as Americans enjoy. Of course, some may freely choose to be enslaved to religious despots.

Interestingly enough, in the Canada thread you state:

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Politics, especially international politics isn't for idealists.

Yet, one of the main tenets of the pro-Iraq war philosophy is extremely idealistic, the idea that the lure of Democracy is stronger than the forces which could hold it back. In fact, the entire success of the war depends on this idealism.

A little contradictory there, dontcha think?

Cycloptichorn

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I will put the same question to any Bush supoprter:

Can you tell us how the war effort would have been 'wrapped up in a few months' if we (liberals/media) had been on board? Specifically.

Cycloptichorn

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Asherman wrote:

Not much faith in the lure of democracy, huh Cyclopitrichorn? See thats were we differ a lot. The conservatives and this administration do believe that any People would prefer living with the same rights as Americans enjoy. Of course, some may freely choose to be enslaved to religious despots.

That's the thing right there. The President never said the effort would be short term, easy, or without great cost. He certainly never said it would be wrapped up in a few months. I think he did underestimate how difficult Iraq would be and he definitely underestimated the depth of American staying power for the effort, at least from those on the Left. Both were unfortunate miscalculations.

But the President knows full well that only people afforded human rights and self determination will be a people who will value peace more than conquest. I think a lot of us share that conviction with him.

Another thing I share with the President is the knowledge that it really doesn't matter now how we got into the war in Iraq. That is a done deal and can all be sorted out in post mortems constructed by historians. We can't unring the bell.

The issue now is whether we are willing to tuck tail, admit defeat, cut, run, or otherwise hand victory to murderous terrorists. The President is not. I think most Americans are not either.

The President has made many mistakes in this effort. But I don't think he has lied to us about it.

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