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I don't know- how can I know what might be on your conscience? You're behaving rather erratically today Mathos. Any particular reason why?

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PC is running extremely slow on this site, am I the only one I wonder?

I have nothing on my conscience Aidan, unless it be guilt, is guilt a sin I ask myself with a smile on my face?

The sin of overwork and if I am not working, as I like to, then I feel guilty.

It's rather sad to have hangups about personal feelings and I need to ditch this one, have you ever been annoyed with one of your own traits Aidan?

Life can be extremely difficult at times, but that is only within the standards we have evolved into creating. The native in the deep Amazon jungle has no so important a task as catching the meat. His partner will be
picking fruit and berries, digging up crops and tending her surviving children. The children of course are in constant danger.

If one could have imagined and spoken of the technology we have today, less than 200 years ago, he/she would have burnt at the stake.

Now to get down to the interesting bit, first of all give a big smile if you had sex last night.

I had some fun in a restaurant last week with my wife, she went ballistic at me.

The reception area had a large table set aside with various tasty appetisers as part of the deal. There was a sign stating so and the plates of various dishes (all petite) had little fancy notes on describing their elements of culinary expertise. There was a large gold fish tank behind. There were some sliced pieces of carrot on the table, I snaffled a few and walked to the tank with one piece of carrot between finger and thumb. I deliberately looked furtive and stuck my hand in the tank, pulled it out wriggling the carrot and stuck it in my mouth. People were looking on in total amazement. I took another piece of carrot from my other hand and repeated the process, this time going deeper and knocking some of the tank rocks over. I pulled out the wriggly carrot and swallowed it. The restauranteur came over shouting in an Italian accent." Wadda ya do, you eeta da fish, no you cannot eeta da fish is bad. "

"No" I replied, "Fish is good, I like it" and plummeted in for another, I swallowed that and there was quite a roar of disapproval, my wife was going mad, she was leaving.

Papa whatever was phoning the police and I took the remaining carrot out of my other hand and showed him what I had been doing, he still went daft." You very crazy man, you should be locked away," he bellowed.

Ah well I bet they have laughed about it since.

PS I took her to the chippy on the way home.

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I trust you had double steak-pudding, double chips, double peas, double gravy, double bread and butter and a pint of stewed tea all served up by a sweaty young lady, running to fat, in a uniform designed to keep her cool and on the minimum wage.

What else after a night on carrots and an erection to contend with.

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Safety first.

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I have nothing on my conscience Aidan, unless it be guilt, is guilt a sin I ask myself with a smile on my face?

I wouldn't say guilt is a sin. I'd say that guilt is often the appropriate emotion one might feel after committing some sort of sin. Of course some religions I remember reading about (I can't think of any off the top of my head specifically that I'm sure about and I don't want to say anything that would malign anyone who might be a member of a particular religion by ascribing something falsely to them, so I'm not going to name any), but I know I read somewhere that in some less mainstream belief systems - there is a teaching that one is never supposed to feel guilty about anything they do or say. So I guess in that belief system guilt is at the very least seen as unnecessary, and so indulging in it might possibly be seen as a sin.

And then there are sociopaths who are incapable of feeling guilt, because they are incapable of being accountable or responsible for their actions and the resulting pain or hardship it might cause another, because they are incapable of feeling empathy or god forbid, sympthy. I was reading the other day that it is estimated that 4% of the population could be described as sociopaths. That's one in twenty-five people walking among us - who don't give a **** how their actions impact another. And they said the incidence is rising, as it becomes more and more of a dog- eat -dog world.

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The sin of overwork and if I am not working, as I like to, then I feel guilty.

Moderation is the key Mathos- then you won't need to feel guilty about neglecting any of your responsibilities or commitments.

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It's rather sad to have hangups about personal feelings and I need to ditch this one, have you ever been annoyed with one of your own traits Aidan?

Yes, I get annoyed with my inability to give up. I was in a job interview the other day and the guy asked me what members of the team I'd be working with might find hard to tolerate in me. And I said, "I always find it very hard to give up- even sometimes when the evidence is right there in front of my face that I should - and move on to something more productive, I just think to myself, "there has to be a way to reach this kid." He said, "So you're like a dog with a bone?" And I said, "Yes". And he said, "In this job, that's an asset. These are children who have had everyone else in their lives - parents, other teachers, society in general- give up on them way too quickly."

I know you'll be happy for me - I got the job. I'm so excited. It's a promotion for me, and it will be a real challenge, I'll have more autonomy and responsibility than I've ever had before. I'm very excited about it. I'm excited about working with the people I'll be working with - who are just dedicated, and as crazily idealistic as I am- and I'm excited about working with the students I'll be teaching.
And speaking of minimum wage, Spendius - for the first time in my career I feel that I'm getting paid a wage that compensates me fairly for my experience, ability and effort. As a teacher, I have to say, that's a novel feeling...

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Life can be extremely difficult at times, but that is only within the standards we have evolved into creating. The native in the deep Amazon jungle has no so important a task as catching the meat. His partner will be
picking fruit and berries, digging up crops and tending her surviving children. The children of course are in constant danger.

Yes, so sad to think that anyone would ever even think of hurting an innocent child. But again, we have those sociopaths among us....

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If one could have imagined and spoken of the technology we have today, less than 200 years ago, he/she would have burnt at the stake.

We've already talked about witches over on the sheep thread Mathos. People are always afraid of differences.

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Now to get down to the interesting bit, first of all give a big smile if you had sex last night.

How innappropriate of you. And just because my avatar's smiling - don't make any assumptions.

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PS I took her to the chippy on the way home.

Forever the hunter gatherer and benevolent provider. Big of you, Mathos.

*Just because I got sarcastic at the end - doesn't mean you have to be mean. Try to be happy for me about my good news- let's see if you can do that.

Oh yeah, and does the number 1 refer to something we spoke of earlier? Are you really that changeable if you don't get your way exactly as you want it when you want it? Just let me know and I'll respond accordingly as previously agreed.

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(I can't think of any off the top of my head specifically that I'm sure about and I don't want to say anything that would malign anyone who might be a member of a particular religion by ascribing something falsely to them, so I'm not going to name any),

In England we say -"no names, no pack drill" for that.

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but I know I read somewhere that in some less mainstream belief systems - there is a teaching that one is never supposed to feel guilty about anything they do or say.

The Marquis de Sade's religion.

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That's one in twenty-five people walking among us - who don't give a **** how their actions impact another. And they said the incidence is rising, as it becomes more and more of a dog- eat -dog world.

That's secular, scientific materialism.

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I know you'll be happy for me - I got the job. I'm so excited. It's a promotion for me, and it will be a real challenge, I'll have more autonomy and responsibility than I've ever had before. I'm very excited about it. I'm excited about working with the people I'll be working with - who are just dedicated, and as crazily idealistic as I am- and I'm excited about working with the students I'll be teaching.

What about the kids? Are they excited? Should we be happy for them?

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Yes, so sad to think that anyone would ever even think of hurting an innocent child. But again, we have those sociopaths among us....

You can hurt kids with kindness you know.

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We've already talked about witches over on the sheep thread Mathos. People are always afraid of differences.

Hey up! That's a mite superficial.

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I don't think I was thinking of a religion per se. I think I was thinking of schools of philosophical thought like existentialism or nihilism or hedonism. In terms of religions though - maybe Satanists have to profess a "no guilt" pact of some kind. We should ask Doktor what's- his name- (is it Doktor S.) who professes to be a satanist.

You have all these British sayings Spendius, that somehow I've never heard even after living and working among British people for two years now. What does "no names, no pack drill" mean? I could try to guess if I knew what a pack drill was, but I don't.

Secular, scientific materialism - yeah - I guess that fits. But sociopaths actually get a kick out of causing other people harm, whereas secular, scientific materialists don't set out intending to cause harm to others - they just don't think enough about others to even realize they're causing harm. And if they do think about it, and come to the conclusion they're doing something harmful, they rationalize it, and may even feel a little guilty about it - whereas sociopaths derive actual pleasure from their negative behaviors, do them intentionally - and never feel guilty about them.

They're not really kids per se. I always work with older kids whom we call "young adults". I don't know if they're excited - except for one whom I met at the interview who was very, very excited to meet someone from the US- these youngsters don't hold the same jaded views of us Americans that you do, Spendi.
I do think you should be happy for them. Because I'm excited to be working with them, and a happy, motivated, hardworking teacher is better than a tired, burned out unmotivated teacher - wouldn't you say?

How can you hurt someone with kindness. I'm not talking about co-dependence or coddling or spoiling. I'm interested to know how you think kindness could hurt someone.

I know what I said about differences was superficial. I'm not that interested in technology - so I just kind of glossed over that.

Mathos needs to let me know if I was allowed to post anymore or not. The other day he gave me the go-ahead, but we had this little numerical code worked out and I think he's trying to tell me not to post. I'm not sure what I did wrong - but obviously something I did or said teed him off. Could you ask him for me Spendius. I certainly don't want to incur his wrath or break my word- even inadvertantly.

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How can you hurt someone with kindness.

You can socialise them unto believing that the adult world is a kindly place and because it isn't they will be unable to cope with it when you are not there and being unable to cope leads to a multitude of problems as you no doubt know.

Beasting the little monsters as they do in many types of male training programmes does not mean that those doing the beasting are not doing their best for those they are in charge of. The hand that rocks the cradle is alright for cradletime.

Perhaps you might consider putting in a paper to your new boss concerning you being placed in charge of a training programme involving visits to Army bases, prisons and young offenders institutions, Police training schools and nurses training establishments. To see how it's done in institutions where they have to live with their own products for many years at the sharp end.

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and a happy, motivated, hardworking teacher is better than a tired, burned out unmotivated teacher - wouldn't you say?

I'm not sure I would. But I prefer the laconic cynic type to the thrumming, busy-busy nannier. It gets you going on "laconic cynicism" at an early age even if you don't learn much French in six years of 4 lessons a week. What use is French anyway. Nobody can really speak French who wasn't born and brought up in France. Father Hall used to tell us with heavy mock severity that we were all f*****g bottom and he would go on to say that the tiresome authorities, waving his cigarette airily and rolling his eyes incredulously required him to have us graded and so we would play cards for it and in doing so I learned to count in French, which I can still do easily. I came second one year when we played snap. Then he would tell us tales about far away places when he had been a missionary and warn us about ever visiting any of them. I also learned the general symbolism of the hearts/clubs/diamonds/spades sequence. He was certainly tired and burned out. His face was deeply lined and his eyes had a benign glaze. They said he drank quite a bit. If he was motivated, which, with hindsight he might have been, he would have been mortified if he ever showed signs of it.

And could he preach. When he got in a pulpit on a big day in his robes he used to mesmerise the whole school with his deep baritone voice resonating in the church. And he knew everything worth knowing about racing form and the stock market.

You could write a story about it. An order of priests in which the highest echelons had discussed Frank Harris's advice not to bother learning other languages. And he could speak 6 fluently. He reckoned it had mucked his English up. And that they agreed with it. But the authorities insisted on French being taught and so.......- what do you mean by "motivated". To do what?

You deal with Mathos. He's your beau not mine. I'm not Relate on the cheap. I should imagine he's winding you up. Winding women up is a machismo test in England. Well-anybody actually.

Ask somebody who looks a bit lived in in the pub what "no names, no pack drill" means.

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and being unable to cope leads to a multitude of problems as you no doubt know

And why would you assume, I know how it is to be unable to cope? I've always been very good at coping, thank you very much. I've never really had one single day in my life in which I wasn't at least minimally functional- I've never had to lay in bed to sleep off a bender or call in sick to work, hire a nanny to watch my kids, hire a maid to cook for my family or clean my house..I pride myself on my resilience and ability to cope. And I was raised by the kindest, most nurturing person in the world. If you look for and expect cruelty - that's what you'll find. But if you look for kindness and love - that's always there too.

I read a really interesting article today on how peace begets peace and violence begets violence. And this person (he had a Buddhist background) spoke about how righteous anger or indignation, no matter how logically based in fact or justified it might be, is never righteous at all because it just perpetuates anger, which leads to violence which leads to war. He quoted Shantiveda as saying that as long as we justify our own hardheartedness and our own self-righteousness, joy and peace will always elude us. We can point our fingers at the wrongdoers, but we ourselves are mirror images; everyone is outraged at everyone elses wrongness. He said it takes courage to have a change of heart and to let hatred and anger be replaced by love and compassion. I really like that.

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Beasting the little monsters as they do in many types of male training programmes does not mean that those doing the beasting are not doing their best for those they are in charge of. The hand that rocks the cradle is alright for cradletime.

Spendius, many of these young people have had nothing but poverty and harshness of voice, views, surroundings, etc. their entire life. They often respond to something different - kindness, consideration, respect, and being treated with something that approaches dignity for the first time.

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Perhaps you might consider putting in a paper to your new boss concerning you being placed in charge of a training programme involving visits to Army bases, prisons and young offenders institutions, Police training schools and nurses training establishments. To see how it's done in institutions where they have to live with their own products for many years at the sharp end.

My boss has me figured out and is placing me right where I belong. I love her already- she's the best.

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I'm not sure I would. But I prefer the laconic cynic type to the thrumming, busy-busy nannier. It gets you going on "laconic cynicism" at an early age even if you don't learn much French in six years of 4 lessons a week. What use is French anyway. Nobody can really speak French who wasn't born and brought up in France. Father Hall used to tell us with heavy mock severity that we were all f*****g bottom and he would go on to say that the tiresome authorities, waving his cigarette airily and rolling his eyes incredulously required him to have us graded and so we would play cards for it and in doing so I learned to count in French, which I can still do easily. I came second one year when we played snap. Then he would tell us tales about far away places when he had been a missionary and warn us about ever visiting any of them. I also learned the general symbolism of the hearts/clubs/diamonds/spades sequence. He was certainly tired and burned out. His face was deeply lined and his eyes had a benign glaze. They said he drank quite a bit. If he was motivated, which, with hindsight he might have been, he would have been mortified if he ever showed signs of it.

And could he preach. When he got in a pulpit on a big day in his robes he used to mesmerise the whole school with his deep baritone voice resonating in the church. And he knew everything worth knowing about racing form and the stock market.

Different strokes for different folks. I would have probably loved the guy because he'd have been so different from what I was used to - a novelty. But we're not talking about students like you or I. These students need people who interact directly with them in a way that they can understand. Cynicism and sarcasm are okay for people who are secure in their intellect and know what the hell the person is doing or saying when s/he makes a joke - but it doesn't work for people who just probably will not get it.

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You could write a story about it. An order of priests in which the highest echelons had discussed Frank Harris's advice not to bother learning other languages. And he could speak 6 fluently. He reckoned it had mucked his English up. And that they agreed with it. But the authorities insisted on French being taught and so.......-

You could write a story on it. It happened to you - not me.

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what do you mean by "motivated". To do what?

A good job.

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You deal with Mathos. He's your beau not mine. I'm not Relate on the cheap. I should imagine he's winding you up. Winding women up is a machismo test in England. Well-anybody actually.

Beau??!! God help me - NEVER. He's too damn moody. I think he hates me anyway - number 1 meant: "We hate Aidan and we never want her to post again". And he posted 1 two different times yesterday (I asked him to be direct with me - and I gave him the numbers to use). Number 2 means : "We want Aidan to post because she's fun to have around for all of us to emotionally abuse".
The first day he put 2 and the very next day he put 1 - and I have no idea what on god's green earth changed between one day and the next. Oh well....what're you gonna do?

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Ask somebody who looks a bit lived in in the pub what "no names, no pack drill" means.

Maybe I'll ask my friend Annna- I'm sure she'll give me the straight scoop.

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You know Aidan, you really piss me off with this going back on sequences and acting like a scolded school child. You asked me a question with a numerical value answer, your code.

I replied in the manner you requested and that is it. I don't renege on my word or decisions, I am extremely bull-headed in oh so many ways.

Yesterday, either my PC or the site was kicking up. A submit would not clear and I clicked it several times resulting in 6 or 7 identical posts. I managed to delete one but the system will not let you leave a blank post, I simply stuck number one in.

You, this pious sacrosanct vision of American super brain, "Please let me teach your kids," turned it into a melodramatic occasion of bloody minded supercilious conspiracy of higher content than the JFK or Lady D scenarios that the normal human mind could ever give credit for.

Are you on drugs?

You have flashes of brilliance marred by psychological meanderings and tangent breaking thoughts of misdemeanor and other such atrocities going round and round like the windmills of your mind in a high alert hurricane.

It could be due to you spending so much time talking to that stupid Yorkshire oink, I rather suspect he is cause of many of your problems. The fact he is presently on an anti-American footing due to being slated on a very regular basis by those egg heads on the Science and Mathematics route, especially under the Intelligent Design thread. I have been pointing the imbecile out as a mad hatter for almost two years, they are only just realising how right I am and are letting him know in no uncertain terms.

I don't think he likes it one little bit. So Aidan from Texas is getting the flack.

Take a tip Princess, "No names, No packdrill"

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and being unable to cope leads to a multitude of problems as you no doubt know
And why would you assume, I know how it is to be unable to cope?

I meant nothing of the sort. I assumed in your line of work you would have professional experience is seeing the effects of an inabilty to cope.

Obviously.

Why do you regularly twist what I say into the most denigrating to yourself interpretation you can put on it.

Do you think I would post to you if I thought you were unable to cope. What a silly idea that is.

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It's just a game Mathos - remember? It's all just good natured teasing - remember? You are so thin - skinned - and you sounded amazingly American right there - ""You know Aidan, you really piss me off..." I think you two have been hanging around me too much- you're starting to sound like yanks...and I know me saying that is definitely gonna piss you off.

I'm not on drugs. I wouldn't talk to you if I didn't think it was funny. And when it gets unfunny on occasion - I just take a break. You guys are the ones who always storm off under some kind of cloud or other - and I always have to make jokes and cajole until you get over your little snits.

I don't have any Brits in the house to ask about pack drills. I asked my son who doesn't know - thank god - because I know it's something nasty. Let's see... pack....drill...Spendius - Mathos... hmm.. I might have an idea, but just to be on the safe side, I'll ask my friends tomorrow night at the poetry reading we're all going to. It is at a pub - but I don't know if I'll see anyone who looks used (or whatever term it is you used Spendius), so I'll have to ask my friends. I'm going with my three retired English teacher British lady friends- they range in age from 60-79. Do you think they'll know? I'm gonna tell them, in all honesty that that's the way these two British men speak to me on this forum I go on...

Yes - I see the inability to cope all around me all the time. We all do - if we keep our eyes open as we walk down the street.

Spendius, I don't twist what you say - I'm just used to it being kind of biting and barbed, shall we say - if not actually denigrating.

But, I love it that you want to give me some measure of credence for once. I'll take that - what a nice change.

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Look, just because I am being nice to you of late NELLIE, don't get carried away with ideas of grandeur in thinking you can say whatever you want and get away with it. It doesn't work that way at all.

Note well, I am so proud to be English and a Lancastrian that the very thoughts of entertaining alternative origins of any nation are past any comprehension. American indeed. Nothing like one and never will be, and that is not being disrespectful to the USA, I am simply a Brit through and through.

You are also the one who takes the huff and throws wobblers like a three year old kid at a Tesco sweet bar, read back on the thread young lady and see if you can turn that into counter-productive bull **** like you are trying on at present.

Denigrating interpretations are the words the oink used to let you know he knew what your game was, your not getting away with anything my little Southern Belle, your wearing the pretty frock but you left your spurs on.

But I'll tell you a story
Thats certain to please
Of Yorkshires farting contest
At Shitum-on-Tees

Where all the best arses
Line up in a field
Partaking in contests
For various shields

Now these trials had drawn
A remarkable crowd
Folk were a betting on
Clary McCloud

It said in the paper
The sporting edition
That Clary's fat arse
Was in perfect condition.

Rebecca from Texas
Had a funny backside
With a clump of red hair
And a wart on each side

The paper thought likely
She'd make it a miss
She'd been drinking cold tea
And was all wind and piss

Now Spendi from Bradford
Shouted I'm not a chump
My girlfriend will win this
She's called Nellie Gump

Now Nellie had practiced
In a copse by the stream
She said "Spendi I'll win this
My farts are supreme"

The judges rolled up they said right
You can start
Rebecca from Texas
She took the first fart

All stood amazed
In silence and wonder
The BBC broadcast
A warning of thunder

Oh Spendi shouted Nellie
Did you hear that
It blew the Star & Stripes Pin
Right off my hat

I'd better go back
And practice a while
Spendi said "No Lass
You'll win by a mile"

I'll buy you a quart
Of John Smiths Supreme
Get that right down you
You'll fart like a queen

Then Mathos walked in
Wearing loin cloth of leather
Moccasins on sporting a feather

He shouted
"Oi Spendi, I'm looking for you"
But Spendi was running
Towards Shittum Zoo.

Clary McCloud came back on the scene
Shouting I've had some beans
Cos they're good for your heart
So listen to this one it's Clary's best fart

She wretched and she wriggled
She jumped up and down
She let out a big fart
And gave a big frown

Rebecca screamed, "I'm from Texas
And we do it better"
Spendi stood blowing
Into a French Letter

Mathos was laughing
He fell on the floor
At all of them farting
He could take no more.

(Funny isn't it)

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Lovely Mathos. You should have come to the poetry reading with me tonight and performed for all of us (as it seems that someone's craving some attention). One guy read a poem about dissecting a mermaid - this rivals that for sure.

I forget- remind me -how old did you say you are?
Here's my critique - good rhythm - interesting language - nice flowing meter. But you left us hanging. Who won the contest? ( And I'm just curious - am I Nellie or Rebecca? You're confusing me- one minute you're calling me Nellie - the next Rebecca from Texas- two posts back it was "You're pissing me off Aidan". This name change stuff is getting ridiculous.

I don't think we can be friends, mainly because I'm sick of talking (reading) about things like farts, piss, herpes, etc...it makes me feel like I'm interacting with a particularly vile and immature fourteen year old boy. Actually, I hate to even insult most fourteen year old boys like that -so until you decide to act like an adult - I think I'll just throw another wobbler and wobble off again...see ya.
And I told you - if you wanted to get rid of me all you (or anyone else for that matter) ever had to say was - "Rebecca/Aidan/Nellie - go away". I'm still waiting to see if anyone has the maturity, ability or courage to be communicate directly, adult to adult - or is that against internet rules?

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I rather think it is Becksie.

But wouldn't it be wonderful to be a particularly vile and immature fourteen year old boy all over again. That's one thing money can't buy. If it was we would all be skint.

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I rather think it is Becksie.

Did the people who designed and/or conceived of this forum know that when they designed and conceived of it - that honest, direct communication between adults is against the rules on the internet?
And with all the shady goings on that apparently are within the rules on the internet - why would something as wonderful and enhancing as honest, direct communication be against the rules?
I think this is just another instance of you pulling my leg Spendius.

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But wouldn't it be wonderful to be a particularly vile and immature fourteen year old boy all over again. That's one thing money can't buy. If it was we would all be skint.

Not all of us Spendius - just those of us who have never grown up and so have yet to discover the liberating pleasures of independence, achievement and growth that becoming a healthily functioning adult bring.

Mathos - I was thinking - your next poem should be about burping or belching or whatever you guys might call it. You should hear me burp...I know I'd win that contest for sure.

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Did the people who designed and/or conceived of this forum know that when they designed and conceived of it - that honest, direct communication between adults is against the rules on the internet?
And with all the shady goings on that apparently are within the rules on the internet - why would something as wonderful and enhancing as honest, direct communication be against the rules?
I think this is just another instance of you pulling my leg Spendius.

No leg pull.

It's the usual American problem. They do have a tendency to believe that what they think is honest, direct communication between adults is actually honest, direct communication between adults. They seem unable to conceive that there might be levels of honest, direct communication between adults that they are not party to. Honest, direct communication between adults is confidently asserted to mean what they think it means as if there are no other possibilities. It's a well developed species of "know-allism" and seemingly so entrenched that it is bootless to attempt to counteract it. One must try to avoid confusing contactless sociability with honest, direct communication.

What is difficult to understand is how some English people have picked up this unfortunate condition.

Maybe the French policy of restricting the number of American movies on TV in France is not as daft as some people have made it out to be.

You have obviously not taken my advice and become a regular reader of VIZ. There you will see a mild form of honest, direct communication.

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Not all of us Spendius - just those of us who have never grown up and so have yet to discover the liberating pleasures of independence, achievement and growth that becoming a healthily functioning adult bring.

Same problem. Self justification by assertion again. One assumes you see yourself as a "healthily functioning adult" who is complacently satisfied that she has achieved the joys of the liberating pleasures of independence, achievement and growth.

A load of hooey I'm afraid.It's Becksy praising Becksy. Again. Coming of age is like hearing the prison door slam shut behind you.

If somebody knows how to turn me into a particularly vile fourteen year old boy with tuppence in my pocket they can have all I've got right now.
(The "immature" was a wasted word and merely another self-serving assertion. A 14 year old is obviously immature.)

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You should hear me burp...I know I'd win that contest for sure.

Shudder shudder. Do you get much on your cardigan? If that's maturity you can keep it.

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It's the usual American problem. They do have a tendency to believe that what they think is honest, direct communication between adults is actually honest, direct communication between adults. They seem unable to conceive that there might be levels of honest, direct communication between adults that they are not party to.

I am sure there's honest, direct communication between adults going on all the time that I'm not party too - and shouldn't be - and I don't try to be - because honestly - it's none of my business. You need to get off of your anti-American high horse- so only Americans are primarily self-aware? It's part of the human condition Spendius- it's not a respecter of nationalities.

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Honest, direct communication between adults is confidently asserted to mean what they think it means as if there are no other possibilities.

I'm more than aware that people communicate in ways that I don't. And I communicate in ways that other people don't. So you're just wrong here.

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It's a well developed species of "know-allism" and seemingly so entrenched that it is bootless to attempt to counteract it

As described by the ultimate know it all.

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One must try to avoid confusing contactless sociability with honest, direct communication.

Contactless sociability. Can you define that for me? Does that mean sociability without physical contact- as on the internet? Or sociability without any contact at all? Which I know you will tell me is impossible - but I don't think so.

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You have obviously not taken my advice and become a regular reader of VIZ. There you will see a mild form of honest, direct communication.

I have enough reading material to keep me busy. If I see it around - I'll check it out.

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Same problem. Self justification by assertion again. One assumes you see yourself as a "healthily functioning adult" who is complacently satisfied that she has achieved the joys of the liberating pleasures of independence, achievement and growth.

Wrong -re- read the quote - I said those of usblah, blah,blah. As it is written, I have included myself in the group I am describing as people who have yet to discover blah, blah, blah,....(not that I really believe that Laughing

- I have discovered the joys of independence - I would never go back to being dependent as a child is-but I do believe myself to still be in need of achievement and growth).

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A load of hooey I'm afraid.It's Becksy praising Becksy. Again. Coming of age is like hearing the prison door slam shut behind you.

Why are you spelling Becksy differently now? And I like Becks better - or even Rebecca.

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If somebody knows how to turn me into a particularly vile fourteen year old boy with tuppence in my pocket they can have all I've got right now.
(The "immature" was a wasted word and merely another self-serving assertion. A 14 year old is obviously immature.)

You wouldn't believe how mature some l4 year olds are. That's kind of a recurring theme of yours Spendius- going back and starting over. I feel compelled to say to you, as I know you would say to me, it's wasted effort to wish for what you can't have. I think it's more productive to make the time ahead of you as happy as you possibly can instead of wishing for something different for the time that's already behind you.

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You should hear me burp...I know I'd win that contest for sure.

Shudder shudder. Do you get much on your cardigan? If that's maturity you can keep it.

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Now that was funny. I don't wear cardigans very often - even though I'm a teacher - I haven't hit that point in my life yet Spendius. And don't try to be all superior - I can picture you burping up a storm.
You can be fun to argue and discuss with. Thanks for giving me something to do on my free, rainy day. Maybe we can discuss these kinds of interesting issues again sometime - honestly and directly.

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Haven't you got a cocky little I'm the Miss Smarty Pants head on today.

A belching farting Yank!!! --- With a stained cardi.

I could make a poem and then some more out of that Miss.

I think you like the idea of Mathos being a fourteen year old boy, perhaps you have hidden talents you can express with candour to a fourteen year old, but your afraid of divulging to a mature male!!

Strange isn't it how you react when the ball isn't bouncing to your liking, that shows signs of real mental disorder Miss.

Your going to be an interesting subject to get under the microscope as well Miss, but your turn will come.

Fourteen years old, paper round money in my pocket, a big toad on top of the cash, a flash bike from the bike shed and all the world to face. Oh what joy and if only.

Sally from Salford would let me see her nipples and I could give them a tweek and rub if I toook her down by the river Bollin. She always had plenty of biscuits too. It was years after, I found out her sister worked for Peaks and she used to smuggle them out down her knickers. No wonder they tasted so good.

You want to be all serious Miss, what, only until I reach 16, thats a long time to wait Miss. What are we going to do in the meanwhile?

Honest, direct communication communication between adults, do you mean like Messrs Bush and Blair, Miss?

By the way Miss, your not entitled to defend America, your the one giving the States a very wide berth, you live under the Union Jack now Miss, but we won't go into that right now will we?

You want to play games Miss, tell me what you want, I'm a dab hand at catching on quick and I know what teachers like!

I have experience.

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I just said I don't wear cardi's. Can't you listen?

Actually - fourteen year old boys are probably among my least favorite humans on the planet. They're just so obnoxiously obnoxious at that age - that's why I never wanted to work in a middle school. Fourteen year old girls are only slightly better. It's a rough age - and I try to be understanding - but I avoid kids that age as completely as I can.

I can't really defend the US - except when you guys make blatant generalizations that just aren't true about Americans as a people. If you want to talk about subtle differences I will - but I'm not engaging in stereotyping a whole nation of people, most of whom you've never even met or lived among. I guess you just believe what you see on tv. You know people are people. Brits aren't perfect either.

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You want to play games Miss, tell me what you want, I'm a dab hand at catching on quick and I know what teachers like!

I want you to stop speaking so sexually to me. We don't know each other that well or in that way and I find it offensive. Is that direct and honest enough for you? Will you try to take it seriously?

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