THE TIGER

Becksie wrote-



That it is. An archetype is intended to isolate characteristics which transcend individual life styles.

Why you should think it "worrisome" baffles me. It is a very respectable intellectual position with a long tradition behind it.

Perhaps the direction of your reading material has occluded it from your view. You are, of course, an anti-IDer by association.

Begins one of the lovliest paragraphs in literature dedicated to the female-

"Women are the same the world over."

I wonder if you "worried" ladies, who had to be made to think of themselves as unique individuals in order to sell their husbands all that junk and leave him with nothing over for booze and smokes thus denying him male company where they make dirty jokes about women and isolating him in the backyard putting up a pegola, are the ones who have removed the books of Sir Henry Rider Haggard from the library shelves.

He would be "worrisome" by definition in your book.



Worried again. Gee you must be really worried.

Am I wrong to focus on the "downfall of men"? I am a man after all and downfalls are proper crap. I have seen a very great deal of that and there is much more to come. We can't all go around pretending that women are not "tricksters and deceivers" when the evidence to the contrary is falling from the sky. Not for ever. Women being as tricky as they are it would be dangerous.

I am aware that one can be popular with ladies by going along with the pretence ironically as I have seen done many times but to go along with it unironically is definitely the qualification for being a very, very, very nice man. One Marjorie Proops would have approved of. In public I mean.



Only if she behaved archetypically.

That's true. But I didn't say, it's a method of isolating or identifying characteristics. When I said it's an isolationist's view - what I meant is that it's dangerous to isolate and attribute a characteristic to an individual based solely on an archetype. It's not accurately using all of the information. It's isolating one variable that may or may not apply to that particular person or situation.


It's a valuable tool when used in concert with other data. It's should never be the "be all and end all".

I haven't studied it lately, you're right. And I'm not anti-ID. Don't label me Spendius. I don't even really know what I'd call or label myself when it comes to spirituality. I do definitely believe in a being or power who designed and created the universe though. Does that qualify me as believing in Intelligent Design? I don't know. I don't study these things. I just know what I believe. And who am I associated with that's anti-ID? I have no idea what you're talking about. Just because I allow others to have their beliefs doesn't automatically mean that I agree or associate myself with them.

In some ways, and so are men.

Not me, I've never advocated banning a book, ever.



I just want you to be happy Spendius. And I'm afraid with all this bitterness- you won't allow yourself to be.

You know some women treat men like crap and some men treat women like crap. But each individual has the opportunity to be different. I know that not all men are dogs. I hope that one day you find out that not all women are conniving bitches. Because I think you like women - or at least you want to. It'd be a shame for you to keep yourself from trusting in the goodness of the right woman when she came along, because of archetypal evidence you read once and have attributed to her along with all the other women in the world.

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Spendius - think logically. If she behaved archetypically - she'd put all that crap right back into your head.

This has been really interesting. Now maybe I'll try to read that Ted Hughes crap- I mean book. Now that man acted like a dog - I'm sorry- he may have been a good writer and an interesting guy with a lot of theories - but he was just not a good husband.

It's nearly bedtime but I will say that it is the archetype that I (*****) rather than all these media manufactured clunkers. The archetype is always in the full bloom of health.

I don't know what to tell you Spendius about your healthy archetype - I just kept waiting for Mathos to barge in and blast you about it, but I guess he's not going to. You know, I have to say it: I miss him. I've been reading over this thread and he was just such a jokester - he always brought a smile to my face.

It's been way too quiet and serious around here without him. And he never posted his poem. Oh well...

You know, Edgar had asked me over on Spontaneous Poems to let him know if I ever got that Cat thing published. I actually tried - and you won't believe what happened. If you ever come back - I'll tell you about it...pretty damn wild....

I see yon mon is still uttering senseless twaddle, your still rabbiting on like Nellie Gump and Mathos has been suffering great pain and anguish..


The poem will be written up soon Nellie.

You will be sorry you reminded me though, I must confess to it slipping my mind.

As for that idiotic oink, how could you possibly expect him to land a female?

If he walked in to the pub with a lady she would be wielding a white stick.

The only female archetype your likely to find in his company would be one of those moorland ewes, I bet his wellies are well spread.

Mathos - I am so happy you came back. You just don't even know. I've missed you so much!!! Where did you go?!!!

(See - I wasn't even trying - but your return brought a poem out of me).

I hate to sound like your mom and I know you'll give me hell for this - but please don't ever just leave like that - I was so so sad and worried you would never come back. I was thinking you might have had a motorcycle accident or even a helicopter incident- whatever- some kind of run in with a vehicle of some type.

I've been good - I've not resorted to any twaddle at all. Spendius on the other hand has been being very naughty- yes- I think not only his wellies are "well spread". I'm sure he's fairly covered in it.

I did have a car accident actually, I saw it coming though and managed to get most of the car off road, the clown drove into my off-side front wing though.

That sounded like a genuine welcome back Aidan, thanks for that it is appreciated.

I had to make a dash to the far east, friend of mine needed help. Everything is ok now though, (I hope).

I have been telling you for 2 years he is nought but a sanctimonious oink!

It is genuine- I'm happy you're back, and relieved you weren't hurt in your accident.

But you couldn't have been telling me about Spendius for two years Mathos - I only "met" Spendius (in the haiku thread - I remember it vividly) a year ago in June. Up until then almost noone at a2k had even ever spoken to me. That's how I remember it, because Spendius was so sweet and welcoming.

Sad how things change isn't it? But you've always been at least half-way nice to me - that's something isn't it? (I always try to look at the glass as half full instead of half empty- life would be unbearable otherwise).

I promise not to hog your time. I know your friends over on trivia want to say hello - so I'll say good-night. Talk to you later. And yes, I'm genuinely happy you came back Mathos. 'Night.

It is simply a figure of time, we are in our second year of talking etc. Why do you have to be so pedantic Aidan?


There are times, when I am left with no alternative than thinking you really enjoy it when I give you a good bollocking!

We've already spoken about that. You know my views on bollocking.

Well stop acting like a prima donna and get down to grass roots.


Your like a bloody moaning, wailing, hyperactive banshee with piles!

I don't know how to respond to that except to say that I don't suffer with hemorrhoids.

It's "haemorrhoids" Becksie. The "a" and the "e" are usually shown joined together in a sort of geometrical dipthong (Whoooeeeeee!), as the "o" and "e" are in "oedema" but I can't do it on here. It means a small venus tissue near the anus. If you are lucky. If not they are large and render it difficult to sit down on park benches or on those plastic bucket seats at important sporting occasions. So I've been told.

Piles gets you over the difficulty when typing. But that's a word like "herpes" which has very negative connotations.

Sounds like you know all about them. Sorry to hear that.
So you spell "haemorrhoids" and I spell "hemorrhoids" - you know like you say "tom-ah-to" and I still say "to- ma-to" (and bus instead of coach, and truck instead of lorry, and cookie instead of buiscuit, etc., etc.). I do say "car park" instead of "parking lot" and "bin" instead of "trash can" and I'm starting to use "garden" more and more instead of "back yard". But it's not because I think they're more correctly descriptive in any way - it's just easier to make myself understood so I don't have to keep explaining myself. Like today I asked where the tomato paste was in the grocery store and I had to describe what I meant - and then she said, "Oh you mean tomahto puree". And another time I asked for posterboard and the girl looked at me blankly, and then I said, "you know it's like thin cardboard that comes in different colors and you use it to make posters or projects for school", and she said, "Oh, you mean colored card." But you guys don't have pudding- or what Americans call pudding anyway. One time I asked this kid stocking shelves for pudding and he brought me to the cake mixes. So I'm standing there looking stupidly at these cake mixes searching for the little boxes of pudding and he said, "Isn't this what you meant?" And I said, "No - it's this flavored powder inside a little pouch in a little box that says, "Jello Pudding Mix" and you mix it with milk on the stove and it thickens." He'd never heard of it. And you guys call what we call jello - jelly. And you call what we call jelly - jam. It's all very complicated. But I'm learning....

I think all of the differences in separate terminologies (American and British) are fascinating.

And by the way, buddy, you have a lot of nerve correcting me about anything. Mathos should give you that famous spanking he's always threatening me with, and then you'd have difficulty sitting down for a while and doing all your sneaky little typing.

And who is it that you think has herpes? How did that creep into this conversation? You guys need to cleanse your minds. Maybe you should go to confession or something.

He needs a smack in the mouth, you can spank him if you want Aidan, he might like that, you know, wear the thigh high black boots, black panties, maybe suspenders and flashy black nylons, one of those quarter cup bras to expose the higher breasts and some elbow length black gauntlets.

That would make the bugger squeal!!


It is of course unfortunate that Americans have bastardised our beautiful language so much, 'back yard' indeed, that is what they have in city centres as a rule, a back yard complete with coal shed and an outside toilet, usually the tin bath is hung by a six inch nail on the whitewashed brick wall.

I remember it well!


I note you refer to the oink as a 'sneaky little typist'

Very apt, I totally agree with you.
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He needs a smack in the mouth, you can spank him if you want Aidan, he might like that, you know, wear the thigh high black boots, black panties, maybe suspenders and flashy black nylons, one of those quarter cup bras to expose the higher breasts and some elbow length black gauntlets.

That would make the bugger squeal!!


It is of course unfortunate that Americans have bastardised our beautiful language so much, 'back yard' indeed, that is what they have in city centres as a rule, a back yard complete with coal shed and an outside toilet, usually the tin bath is hung by a six inch nail on the whitewashed brick wall.

I remember it well!


I note you refer to the oink as a 'sneaky little typist'

Very apt, I totally agree with you.
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He needs a smack in the mouth, you can spank him if you want Aidan, he might like that, you know, wear the thigh high black boots, black panties, maybe suspenders and flashy black nylons, one of those quarter cup bras to expose the higher breasts and some elbow length black gauntlets.

That would make the bugger squeal!!


It is of course unfortunate that Americans have bastardised our beautiful language so much, 'back yard' indeed, that is what they have in city centres as a rule, a back yard complete with coal shed and an outside toilet, usually the tin bath is hung by a six inch nail on the whitewashed brick wall.

I remember it well!


I note you refer to the oink as a 'sneaky little typist'

Very apt, I totally agree with you.
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He needs a smack in the mouth, you can spank him if you want Aidan, he might like that, you know, wear the thigh high black boots, black panties, maybe suspenders and flashy black nylons, one of those quarter cup bras to expose the higher breasts and some elbow length black gauntlets.

That would make the bugger squeal!!


It is of course unfortunate that Americans have bastardised our beautiful language so much, 'back yard' indeed, that is what they have in city centres as a rule, a back yard complete with coal shed and an outside toilet, usually the tin bath is hung by a six inch nail on the whitewashed brick wall.

I remember it well!


I note you refer to the oink as a 'sneaky little typist'

Very apt, I totally agree with you.
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Who do you think I should confess to, and why?