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Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Sat 24 Feb, 2007 04:46 pm
On the experience of immigration..

Quote:
A Concise Chinese-English Dictionary for Lovers

openDemocracy
16 - 2 - 2007

"Misunderstanding. Free world. Dilemma." A foreigner's first time in London, the dictionary holds all the answers. Read an extract from Xiaolu Guo's first novel written directly in English- a study of language lost and found.

Read on...
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 25 Feb, 2007 10:56 am
interesting article nimh will read it in detail later...somethings happening in thefootball
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 25 Feb, 2007 11:15 am
its a riot in Cardiff

Typical unsporting Arsenal sh1ts

big fight arsenal players sent off then come back on to get their medals pathetic and the reaction of arsenal fans who deserted the stadium at the final whistle.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 25 Feb, 2007 12:05 pm
We'll watch it in 30 mins .... because Schalke's home defeat was live on the football channel when C vs A was going on ...
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 27 Feb, 2007 08:59 am
meanwhile gordon brown is proposing some tests for immigrants

BBC wrote:
Mr Brown said: "Being a British citizen is about more than a test, more than a ceremony. It's a kind of contract between the citizen and the country involving rights but also involving responsibilities that will protect and enhance the British way of life.

"It's also right to consider asking men and women seeking citizenship to undertake community work in our country, or something akin to that, that introduces them to a wider range of institutions and people."


So they will have to learn the language. Swear allegiance (to whom?). Recite the names of all the Kings and Queens going back to Boudica. Explain exactly why Hugh Grant is quintessentially English. Spell quintessential. Run 100 yards in 15 seconds. Find an old lady and take her across the road even if she was quite happy being where she was...etc.

"You couldn't make it up"
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 02:45 pm
Quote:
British Asian faced deportation threat

Thursday March 1, 2007
The Guardian

A British Asian was held in a detention centre for nearly two months and threatened with deportation to Pakistan because Home Office officials believed he was a foreigner.

Immigration officials assumed that Sabbir Ahmed, who speaks with a Lancashire accent, was Pakistani despite the fact that he was born in Blackburn and has a British passport. His parents come from India but also have British citizenship.

Mr Ahmed, 34, an accountancy student at the University of Leicester, had finished serving a two-month prison sentence for driving while disqualified when he was identified as a foreign national and held for deportation. [..]

Mr Ahmed said: "It was so frustrating, it just felt like I was banging my head against a brick wall. I was screaming my innocence to anyone who would listen and they were trying to deport me to a country where I've got no ties."

He was asked to provide documents proving his nationality but was unable to do so because his passport was at his flat in east London and he could not leave Haslar detention centre in Gosport, Hampshire. He was only freed after campaigners from Haslar visitors' group got access to his flat to recover his documents, and photocopies were shown to a judge at an appeal hearing against the deportation. [..] He was released from Haslar last September after being detained for 48 days.

Frances Pilling, manager of the charity Bail for Immigration Detainees (South), [said]: "[..] Once you've detained somebody how can they reasonably be asked to produce evidence? All they can produce is what they have in their pockets."

Mr Ahmed's case is not an isolated one. A report last year on foreign prisoners by Anne Owers, chief inspector of prisons, found regular failings in establishing the nationality of prisoners. In one case an inspection team which interviewed 12 juvenile prisoners identified as foreign found that five of them were British. It quoted one prisoners' representative as saying: "If you are black officers assume you are a foreign national."

A Home Office spokesman said: "We acknowledge this has been a problem in the past. [But] an individual will be given ample opportunity to demonstrate their entitlement to remain."

The spokesman said that resources dedicated to dealing with foreign national prisoners had "more than doubled" since last April, new guidance had been issued to prison officers and specialist teams had been set up in prisons to help identify foreign nationals.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 3 Mar, 2007 02:56 pm
Quote:
Veils block integration in UK, warns Lord Ahmed

21 February 2007
The Independent

Summary:

Quote:
The senior Muslim peer, Lord Ahmed of Rotherham, has condemned the wearing of the veil in Britain as a "mark of separation, segregation and defiance against mainstream British culture", and called for an end to their use. He does not support a ban, but insisted veils were unhelpful in schools, courts and shops.

Dr Hassan Alkatib, the former chairman of Leeds Grand Mosque, said: "I don't think it's a big issue. So few women choose to wear niqab - not even five per cent - that I just think there are far more important things to worry about in our communities."
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 12:02 pm
so he says

1. its no big issue. plenty of other stuff to worry about

2. he makes headline news condemning it.

what a jerk
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 12:36 pm
Logic escapes Islam and its followers. It's a damn shame too as much modern thought, mathematics, etc. came out of Persia. Not any longer.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 12:39 pm
cjhsa wrote:
Logic escapes Islam and its followers. It's a damn shame too as much modern thought, mathematics, etc. came out of Persia. Not any longer.


That's a logic response.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 12:45 pm
And you can see logic in radical Islam? You must be some kind of psychic Walter, nobody else can. Perhaps you have already sold your soul for the promise of 73 virgins? Imagine how disappointed you'll be when they all look like OBL.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 12:48 pm
cjhsa wrote:
Logic escapes Islam and its followers. It's a damn shame too as much modern thought, mathematics, etc. came out of Persia. Not any longer.


So mathematics is without logic or those Arabs who gave us mathematics were no Muslims?


cjhsa wrote:
You must be some kind of psychic Walter,


I deeply doubt that you have any qualification to judge that.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 03:48 pm
cjhsa wrote:
Perhaps you have already sold your soul for the promise of 73 virgins?
73 eh? The market's rising. The spread is now 72 -75.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 03:53 pm
Those 73 on the other hand would be a kind of improvement towards my daily fight against Saint Ursula and her 11,000 virgins :wink:
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 03:59 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Those 73 on the other hand would be a kind of improvement towards my daily fight against Saint Ursula and her 11,000 virgins :wink:
well I'm glad you're winning. Must be exhausting.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 5 Mar, 2007 05:48 pm
Quote:
MI5's role in hounding of Met officer revealed

Thursday March 1, 2007
The Guardian

Short version:

Quote:
One of Britain's most senior police officers accused MI5 last night of "smearing" him after it emerged that the security service told Scotland Yard it suspected him of being an Iranian spy.

The warning about Chief Superintendent Ali Dizaei turns out to have been one of the principal reasons the force pursued him for four years, mounting a corruption inquiry costing at least £3m. He was suspended amid allegations of drug use, corruption and threatening national security, but was cleared by a jury of minor criminal charges.

The Met's anti-corruption squad bugged his phones, investigated his bank accounts, tracked their own officer to the US and set him several integrity tests which he passed.

He said: "MI5 should be ashamed of themselves, as should the police service. This allegation is wholly baseless and false and it is outrageous that it could still be used to blight my career. It is nothing more than a smear.

"I am one of the most investigated officers and if there was a shred of proof then the squad that turned over every aspect of my private life would have thrown it at me, and they did not find the vaguest shred of support."

The Met's investigation was branded a racist witch-hunt by supporters of Mr Dizaei. When he was suspended in January 2001, he was legal adviser to the National Black Police Association and helped officers sue forces for discrimination.

After his acquittal in 2003 the force paid him £80,000 in compensation. In return he dropped a racial discrimination case against the Met.

In a deal reached after pressure from the home secretary at the time, David Blunkett, he also returned to work with the Met declaring his integrity was intact.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 05:55 pm
In the news today: a historian uncovered an unpublished 1937 article from Winston Churchill, in which he wrote that the Jewish people were "partly responsible for the antagonism for which they suffer".

In the article, Churchill argued that "the wickedness of the persecutors" was not the sole reason for the ill-treatment of Jews down the ages, criticising the "aloofness" of Jewish people from wider society and urging them to make the effort to integrate themselves."

Uncovered: Churchill's warnings about the 'Hebrew bloodsuckers' (articles from The Independent and the Telegraph)

Dr. Toye, the historian, said that "It was certainly quite a shock to read some of these things and it is obviously at odds with the traditional idea we have of Churchill."

For example, Churchill wrote:

"The Jew in England is a representative of his race. Every Jewish money lender recalls Shylock and the idea of the Jews as usurers. And you cannot reasonably expect a struggling clerk or shopkeeper, paying 40 or 50 per cent interest on borrowed money to a "Hebrew bloodsucker", to reflect that, throughout long centuries, almost every other way of life was closed to Jewish people".

The choice of language is especially poignant since, as the Telegraph article points out, the article appeared only a year after Mosley's anti-semitic blackshirts had clashed with Jews and other locals on Cable Street in east London, and just months after Jews in Germany were banned from holding many professional occupations.

In the Independent article, Churchill's biographer suggests that the article may have been penned by a ghostwriter for Churchill who was a member of the anti-Semitic Mosleyite party.

In all this context, it is eerie to read sequences that could have been published in any newspaper today - about immigrants or Muslims. As the Telegraph article points out:

Quote:
While he clearly disapproved of their persecution [Churchill] was critical of what he saw as the "refusal" of the Jews to be "absorbed" into the wider society.

In comments that foreshadow the current debate on multiculturalism, Churchill argued that a tendency to form a "distinct and separate community" runs counter to the idea that settlers should be "100 per cent British" irrespective of their race and religion.

"The central fact which dominates the relations of Jew and non-Jew is that the Jew is different," he added. "[He looks different. He thinks differently.*] He has a different tradition and background. He refuses to be absorbed. In every country the Jews form a distinct and separate community - a little state within the state." [..]

"Refugee Jews from Germany may be willing to work for lower wages and under worse conditions than English [people] would look at," he wrote. "If they are allowed to do so, and their numbers are sufficiently large, they may depress the standards of all workers [..]. That, I suggest, is bad citizenship. [..] It creates an atmosphere in which anti-Semitism thrives."

In conclusion, Churchill advised: "I believe that Jews would be wise to avoid too exclusive an association in ordinary matters of business and daily life and that they should, as much as possible, avoid living in little groups and colonies of their own. [..]"

*quote completed from the Independent article.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sun 25 Mar, 2007 06:54 pm
Photo intermezzo...

watching the cricket by mondoagogo

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/163/426969010_50bab2fca7.jpg

tajstores, bricklane, towerhamlets, london.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 03:05 am
The issue of whether immigration is a problem is a guise. Immigration is only a "problem" when the majority is challenged. Investigate the Chinese immigration act of 1885, it was ratified because if left unchecked the largest population in the young USA would have been Asian. The same is for hispanics in more contemporary times.

Old white conservatives are just scared their grandchildren are going to be speaking spanish someday.

Immigration is presented as a security issue and it's for our safety. right wing idiots like ann coulter would have us terrified of anyone from any any othr culture and would capitolize on that exact fear.

Muslims in America are greated witha certain suspect. It's ridiculous. I have a muslim roomate and I have a very baptist roomate. I live in the midwest, right at the buckle of the bible belt. If they can get along, then we can all get along.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2007 03:37 pm
nimh wrote:
In the news today: a historian uncovered an unpublished 1937 article from Winston Churchill, in which he wrote that the Jewish people were "partly responsible for the antagonism for which they suffer".

In the article, Churchill argued that "the wickedness of the persecutors" was not the sole reason for the ill-treatment of Jews down the ages, criticising the "aloofness" of Jewish people from wider society and urging them to make the effort to integrate themselves."

Uncovered: Churchill's warnings about the 'Hebrew bloodsuckers' (articles from The Independent and the Telegraph)

Dr. Toye, the historian, said that "It was certainly quite a shock to read some of these things and it is obviously at odds with the traditional idea we have of Churchill."

For example, Churchill wrote:

"The Jew in England is a representative of his race. Every Jewish money lender recalls Shylock and the idea of the Jews as usurers. And you cannot reasonably expect a struggling clerk or shopkeeper, paying 40 or 50 per cent interest on borrowed money to a "Hebrew bloodsucker", to reflect that, throughout long centuries, almost every other way of life was closed to Jewish people".

The choice of language is especially poignant since, as the Telegraph article points out, the article appeared only a year after Mosley's anti-semitic blackshirts had clashed with Jews and other locals on Cable Street in east London, and just months after Jews in Germany were banned from holding many professional occupations.

In the Independent article, Churchill's biographer suggests that the article may have been penned by a ghostwriter for Churchill who was a member of the anti-Semitic Mosleyite party.

In all this context, it is eerie to read sequences that could have been published in any newspaper today - about immigrants or Muslims. As the Telegraph article points out:

Quote:
While he clearly disapproved of their persecution [Churchill] was critical of what he saw as the "refusal" of the Jews to be "absorbed" into the wider society.

In comments that foreshadow the current debate on multiculturalism, Churchill argued that a tendency to form a "distinct and separate community" runs counter to the idea that settlers should be "100 per cent British" irrespective of their race and religion.

"The central fact which dominates the relations of Jew and non-Jew is that the Jew is different," he added. "[He looks different. He thinks differently.*] He has a different tradition and background. He refuses to be absorbed. In every country the Jews form a distinct and separate community - a little state within the state." [..]

"Refugee Jews from Germany may be willing to work for lower wages and under worse conditions than English [people] would look at," he wrote. "If they are allowed to do so, and their numbers are sufficiently large, they may depress the standards of all workers [..]. That, I suggest, is bad citizenship. [..] It creates an atmosphere in which anti-Semitism thrives."

In conclusion, Churchill advised: "I believe that Jews would be wise to avoid too exclusive an association in ordinary matters of business and daily life and that they should, as much as possible, avoid living in little groups and colonies of their own. [..]"

*quote completed from the Independent article.


The Guardian last week, if I remember this correctly, said the article had not been approved by Churchill and was of course never published, as you state.
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