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Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 12:01 pm
I think that's specified in the job description . . .

http://node.to/tonga/images/theking.gif
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 01:27 pm
almost nerdish, ha ha ha Laughing

nice one.

tho i'll append, for clarification, that i dont actually create these summaries for A2Kers sake - I make 'em for work anyway, and then might as well file em here too.

also: tonga? is that even a country?
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 01:28 pm
i like that little crown in the throne there. nice touch.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 03:06 pm
Yeah, i thought the crown was a nice touch, too--that's why i chose that image . . .

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The CIA Factbook page on Tonga.

http://www.tonga.maps-pacific.com/map/Tonga-Islands-Map2.gif
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 03:12 pm
Tonga...green bits in blue
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 03:16 pm
Ooooh, you're talking about Niuatoputapu!

Why didnt you just say that straight away, Steve?
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 03:32 pm
OK, having now been convinced that Tonga is, indeed, a country, I am left with only one question:

Can Hiddink make them World Champions?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 03:32 pm
Very Happy I would like to nimh, really I would like to, but somehow I cant get my tongue around tonganesian.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 12 Sep, 2006 03:35 pm
nimh wrote:
OK, having now been convinced that Tonga is, indeed, a country, I am left with only one question:

Can Hiddink make them World Champions?
yes providing he can say Niuatoputapu standing on his head drinking a glass of water.
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 03:04 am
Hey seen this?

Martin Amis condemns muslims as "miserable bastards"

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/news/article1822165.ece
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 06:12 am
I completely agree with Amis. And Jack straw and Reid and Jasmin Alabaha Brown (sp?) in the other indy article. Wearing the veil is the equivalent of putting two fingers up to the rest of society. Its not even part of their religion. Shops and petrol stations dont allow "customers" to wear hoods, masks or motorcycle crash helmets. I wonder what would happen if a woman in a burkha ever went in a petrol station? Would they be brave enough to ask her to remove it? Of course not.
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 06:20 am
Yep, I totally agree, Steve.

I've already read something this morning where a female journalist passed through Brit immigration unchallenged, with no request to remove her veil to verify she was in fact the person as photographed on the passport she was carrying. She was asked on two occasions, by French immigration, to remove the veil, but absolutely no request from our people at all.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 06:35 am
Lord Ellpus wrote:
Yep, I totally agree, Steve.

I've already read something this morning where a female journalist passed through Brit immigration unchallenged, with no request to remove her veil to verify she was in fact the person as photographed on the passport she was carrying. She was asked on two occasions, by French immigration, to remove the veil, but absolutely no request from our people at all.
Yeah I heard the same story. And about a male terrorist suspect escaping dressed in a burhka. Unless the muslims themselves act reasonably it will play right ito the hands of the BNP. [Which actually is exactly what the political islamists - invariably male - want. It infuriates me because they are playing a very dirty game of politics, they dont actually care about the safety and welfare of their own womenfolk yet any criticism from someone like Straw or Reid or indeed me and we are lumped together with the real racists of the extreme right].
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 07:15 am
Well that's interesting. And I thought, I could not wander round in Ku Klux Klan robes. That would be a breach of the peace, or incitement to racial disharmony. Those mean "I reject the right of black people to be here. I am a white separatist, who might resort to violence"

And the burqa or najab? It appears to mean "I reject this society, I wish to be separate, and my people may very well resort to violence under certain circumstances."

Not a whole lot of difference, it seems to me. But only one is illegal.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 08:36 am
McTag wrote:
Well that's interesting. And I thought, I could not wander round in Ku Klux Klan robes. That would be a breach of the peace, or incitement to racial disharmony. Those mean "I reject the right of black people to be here. I am a white separatist, who might resort to violence"

And the burqa or najab? It appears to mean "I reject this society, I wish to be separate, and my people may very well resort to violence under certain circumstances."

Not a whole lot of difference, it seems to me. But only one is illegal.


And to think they were going to introduce a law of incitement to religious hatred punishable with up to 7 years gaol. Straw's ever so polite request for the woman to remove her veil would have broken the law!

It only required that offense was given (i.e. the religious person said they were offended) for a criminal offense to have occured.

Even if no offense was meant. And even if what was said was factually true. All that was necessary was for some hyper sensitive religious person to say they were offended.

Government has reluctantly put it to one side as it was clearly unworkable.

[Pity in a way I was rather looking forward to Christians Jews and Muslims all offending each other and all getting banged up for it].
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 10:05 am
Madeleine Bunting has a much more understanding/conciliatory piece in The Guardian. More understanding than me, I mean.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,1890821,00.html

I still am of the opinion that the muslim veil is alien, alienating, and a symbol of unwillingnes to integrate; anti-social, and an insult to the host nation.
And no, I do not think it is patronising to refer to a "host" nation.

I heard on the News today that a Belgian political party with (i. a.) an anti-muslim agenda is making gains in that country.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 9 Oct, 2006 10:26 am
McTag wrote:

I heard on the News today that a Belgian political party with (i. a.) an anti-muslim agenda is making gains in that country.


Yeap, they've changed from pro-Nazi, nationalist and secessionist aims to populist xenophobic ideas two years ago, after the party was dissolved by courts. (A simple name-change from Vlaamse Blok to Vlaams Belang.)

(Belgian election/European far right is on an own thread.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2007 03:08 pm
nimh wrote:
Sometimes things are not what they seem... a heartwrenching story that might give the press pause about jumping to conclusions:


[My] summary:

Quote:
The story was of the abduction of a 12-year-old mixed-race Muslim girl, taken by her father to Pakistan where she might be forced into marriage with an older man. But yesterday Misbah Iram Ahmed Rana, also known as Molly Campbell, smiled and laughed as she spoke of how she travelled to Lahore with her elder sister and father of her own free will.

She said she had not seen her siblings, whom her mother had barred her from contacting, for more than a year and had missed them terribly, adding defiantly: "I'm not Molly, I'm Misbah." And Misbah's father rejected the forced marriage claims: "I would hope that she will wait till her 20s before she is married. What father would wish for his daughter to be wed at 12?"

Read the whole thing, et cetera


An update on this story:

Runaway Molly to write book about her experiences

The Scotsman

Summary:

Runaway schoolgirl Molly Campbell has begun writing a book on her experiences. The custody battle between her parents will resume today at the Supreme Court in Islamabad. Molly, 12, who prefers to be known as Misbah Rana, said: "Hopefully I can stay here [in Pakistan] and I'll study and I'll be able to become a beautician."

Molly lived with her father in Pakistan before moving to Scotland to join her mother in the Western Isles, and then running away to Pakistan again. She said the move to Scotland had been a big change: "Supposing when someone is living in a massive house, got servants, got everything done for them [..] to going to this wee, small, mini, mini, mini house, a council house."
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2007 03:10 pm
before you start posting about that stupid scots bint

perhaps you could resume hostilities on another thread
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jan, 2007 03:13 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:
before you start posting about that stupid scots bint

perhaps you could resume hostilities on another thread

No inclination to.

"That stupid scots bint" is just a twelve-year old girl, who's been mauled by her parents' conflict, and the media and politicians jumping on top of that again.
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