Immigration and Racism in Britain and USA

The trouble is though, Steve, if everyone actually engages him in debate, it just gives him more jerking off material.

I say just leave the wanker to his own devices.......or post a big colour picture of Nick Griffin, so that he can get off that little bit quicker.

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Steve - I'm not a slot-machine for George's convenience. When you've posted up one-twentieth of my contribution to this thread then I think you might have at least some credentials for criticising my effort here.

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herberts wrote:

That's something new to me - start a thread here and you can f.....k with the parameters and move the goal-posts any which way you like - same as if you're a spoilt little kid at his own birthday party and can kick the board game against the wall if he doesn't feel he's winning... Yeah, right...

I explained why this item was relevant to the wider argument. But you are a master at mixing metaphors, I'll give you that.

McTag wrote:

I believe "religious" schools are a problem, everywhere.

herberts wrote:

What patent nonsense. Private Islamic schools in Western nations is the ONLY problem. And overseas madrassahs which are propaganda schools for brainwashing Islamic youths to engage in jihad against the West.

Islam Exposed...

Not so IMO. I have explained that, from my personal experience, splitting children of school age into different buildings according to the requirements of "religion" can be a divisive act. And if other factors are against cohesion of society, a bad outcome can be expected.
This, in a society (Scottish) where colour was not a factor.

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I opened that "Islam Exposed" link and it is a reminder of the dreadful propaganda which is put out by purportedly authoratative sources in the Middle East.

I suggest that the only way to counter it is by openness and education. Certainly not by building another "iron curtain". The answer must be in police work, immigration quotas, and better management of the situation.

And let the peoples of the ME understand that the mad mullahs are offering them only another 500 years of misery.

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I've just caught up on the 17 pages of postings since Friday evening (my time) and I've not actually learned anything other than the following:

1. herberts has recognised that it is as futile to try to persuade me of his views, just as I have recognised that it is futile to persuade him of mine;

2. RaceDriver (only saw the double meaning in that when I typed it just now! Shocked

) seems to be the only staunch defender of herberts stance here;

3. those who I usually consider to make sensible contributions have done so - McTag; nimh; Set; Walter; c.i. and I'll add to my list of the "sensible" snood - very measured responses, given the tirade of nonsense.

Other than those, I've rather wasted my time. Good idea for a thread, McTag - pity that it's become a "rage against the dying of the light".

KP

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Lord Ellpus...

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The trouble is though, Steve, if everyone actually engages him in debate, it just gives him more jerking off material.

If this thread is not for the purpose of inviting debate and argument between those of differing opinion, then what is its raison d'etre... ?

Is that how able2know works... ? Throw open a debate - and then if anyone should dare to take up the minority view it's then okay for the majority to thereafter post little else but a continuous series of personal insults, jibes, abuse - and even threats of physical violence... ?

I don't mind the insults and abuse - I expect it in the context of such a highly emotive debate as this. No offence taken. I'm no paragon of virtue in that department myself.

But what has really disappointed me - and has somewhat surprised me I must say - is the pathetically immature and poor quality of response from at least half of you here.

And boys, just as a casual observation might I say that the literacy level amongst some of you English dudes is farsically pitiable compared to the rich prose from our Dutch and German friends here. Don't worry about debating forums you turkeys - you should turn off the computer and go attend evening classes to brush up on your English skills.

Perhaps we can open up an English Creative Writing course here at able2know for some of the more illiterate members... ?

Steve? McTag ?...

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McTag... at last a bit of sense from you. A bit wishy-washy and namby-pamby of course - but at least there's a sincere attempt at making a cogent point or two.

I'm awarding you two brownie points for effort.

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kitchenpete... so good of you to drop by.

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kitchenpete...

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1. herberts has recognised that it is as futile to try to persuade me of his views, just as I have recognised that it is futile to persuade him of mine

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Are you saying that although we differ in our opinions there is even so a moral equivalence here which absolves me of holding to erroneous views?

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2. RaceDriver (only saw the double meaning in that when I typed it just now! Shocked ) seems to be the only staunch defender of herberts stance here

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I am not at all one to be relied upon by those who might at first think me to be their ally and in sympathy with their rightwing views. In my experience it does not take long before our viewpoints depart their separate ways and I am no longer their ally.

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and I'll add to my list of the "sensible" snood - very measured responses, given the tirade of nonsense.

His threatening me with physical violence when not speaking of me in terms of 'shyte' and 'crap' nevertheless in your judgment qualify him as being 'sensible' and given to 'very measured responses'... ?

You've disappointed me, kitchenpete. The respect that I once held for you has entirely dissipated upon reading this patent nonsense.

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Other than those, I've rather wasted my time. Good idea for a thread, McTag - pity that it's become a "rage against the dying of the light".

Yes indeed, good idea for a thread, McTag. I'm going to withdraw from this debate and sit back and see where it goes without me. kitchenpete says this thread subject is a good idea - and apparently it's only me who is responsible for its being a failure.

So I'm going to step back, say nothing - and be a spectator to kitchenpete helping to make this 'good idea' of a thread be a success and a winner.

Over to you, kitchenpete.

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Oh, how easily herberts' respect can be won and lost...

Of course you'll see snood's reaction as being disproportionate but given the malignant racism that you've been peddling, I'm impressed that he managed to keep his cool (within reason). Like c.i., I'm sure it's not the first time that snood has felt insulted or subjected to racial slur ("basketball", for example).

On another matter, it's funny that you have used Churchill as an example of an upstanding Englishman. I don't disagree that he was a great wartime leader, though his 1950s government was rather "tired" from what I know of it.

Why "funny"? Because my impression is that your anti-Muslim views are analogous to the Nazi's anti-Semitism, therefore I'd have put you down as a sympathiser of the Third Reich, rather than one fundamentally opposed to the idea of a racially-pure nation, no matter the cost to the minorities "displaced".

By the way, as a Cambridge graduate myself, I'll happily agree with nimh's view of the differences between myself and the Shoreditch neighbours...just as I have friends who are also educated professionals from ethnic/religious groups other than my own - Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Catholic, etc. - and from various countries around the world.

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RaceDriver (only saw the double meaning in that when I typed it just now! ) seems to be the only staunch defender of herberts stance here

LOL, funny that. People using a persons name to attack them. "Dick is a real Dick". And like I say, its not supprising that im the only defender - the able2know forums consist mostly of emotionals, communists, pacifists, morons and the like. Exceptions are me, herbert and that guy who thinks everyone should carry guns (hes nuts!).
When chose the name RaceDriver205, I did not factor in that I would be having a debate in which race is a key point in the future. Nor would I have been willing to select a different name just to make sure some fool didn't imply I have the name for racist reasons.

The Pergeout 205 was a high-power rally car which repeatedly won the world rally championship, back in the days of Group B rallying. The Group was banned as a result of many people being killed as a result of the speed and power (and mad spectators). Enjoying many race sports, this name, the 1980 era, and the power of the 205 fit well with me.

Just thought Id clear that up. Aufiedersehn.

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herberts wrote:

Not holding my breath.

The thread was an attempt (at some risk, I knew at the outset) to have a discussion about the risk inherent in the demographic change we are seeing in the UK and in Europe, and in exploring the measures which might be appropriate in anticipating and preventing future public order offences.

The knifing in Holland, and the bombs in London, show we have a real problem.

Polarising society further is obviously not going to help, rather the opposite. The wider muslim community (in common with the Irish community, which also harbours citizens with murderous intent) is as shocked as the rest of the country by these events, and arguably has more to lose.

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RaceDriver205 wrote:

...- the able2know forums consist mostly of emotionals, communists, pacifists, morons and the like. Exceptions are me, herbert and that guy who thinks everyone should carry guns (hes nuts!)

That Purgeout 205 sounds a sh1t hot motor btw.

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"like **** off a shovel" Very Happy

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Am I the guy who thinks everyone should carry guns? Laughing

Honestly, what I think is that anyone who doesn't have a criminal record who wants to carry a gun should be able to legally do so.

Just to clarify.

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The Purgeout 205 CI* was quickest

* Colonic Irrigation

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Hey, herberts finally called it quits? Good riddance. He could never see himself in the mirror - calling everybody stupid. His immaturity is now legend on a2k.

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Yep, xenophobia, nationalism, racism and bigotry are clearly of a single fabric.

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That would explain why the Mexicans like to chant "Osama!" when they play the U.S. in world cup qualifiers.

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