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AN IMPOSSIBLE EVENT

 
 
Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 11:55 am
THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE IMPOSSIBLE,
SINCE THE KILLER USED A HAMMER,
and a steak knife,
BUT HE HAD NO GUN.



Bloodbath & burgers

Pa. cops call son Mr. Cool

BY ADAM NICHOLS in Lancaster County, Pa.,
and WARREN WOODBERRY JR. and HELEN KENNEDY in New York
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

As the bludgeoned corpses of three generations of his family lay
moldering inside their picturesque Amish country house, confessed killer
Jesse (Jay) Wise took his girlfriend to McDonald's for hamburgers.

"He was happy. He didn't seem like anything was wrong," Jackie Boots, 16,
told the Daily News.

Wise, 21, whose family divided their time between Brooklyn and rural
Pennsylvania, spent four days carrying on as normal in the cottage-
turned-slaughterhouse after allegedly murdering six relatives - including
the grandmother who raised him and a 5-year-old cousin - on Saturday.

"He stopped over a few times. We went to McDonald's a few times," said
Boots, who has an 11-month-old daughter, Shanique, with Wise. "He
called on Tuesday and said he may [stop by] because he had the baby's Pampers."

Jay Wise, who had a history of run-ins with the law, told police he
wrapped the bodies in blankets and dumped them in the basement,
according to cops. He didn't say why.

He stayed in the white clapboard house with green shutters on Main St. in
tiny Leola, Pa., though walls and ceilings were splattered with blood and hair.

Lancaster County Coroner Dr. Gary Kirchner said five of the victims -
grandmother Emily Wise, 64; her daughters, Wanda Wise, 45, and Agnes
Arlene Wise, 43; and their children Skyler Wise, 19, and Chance Wise, 5 -
each died of a single bash on the head "of incredible force."

"They would have died immediately. It was a vicious blow,"
he said.

The sixth, Jessie James Wise, 17, was stabbed in the neck and chest with a steak knife.

Family patriarch Jessie L. Wise, 60, was in Brooklyn waiting for the family to visit.
He kept calling the house asking where they were, but his grandson gave
him the runaround.

"The last time I spoke to him was on Wednesday," Jessie Wise said. "I said,
'Nobody showed up,' and he said, 'Poppy, that's not good.' Jay lied to me,
and that's why I feel he did it."

Later that day, Jessie Wise asked a relative in Pennsylvania, Sean
Adams, to go to the house.

Adams, who arrived with a cop, found Jay Wise with a woman named Angie.
"He was acting cool and calm, like nothing ever happened," he said.

Wise and the woman left, and then Adams found little Chance's body. "I
told the police, 'He's a suspect. You need to go get him,'" Adams said.

Police stopped Wise in his car a few blocks away.

His grandfather, Jessie Wise, founder of New York's Federation of Black
Cowboys in Howard Beach, Queens, sought comfort with fellow cowpokes yesterday.

Standing in a long duster, warming himself by a campfire in the rain, he
was utterly numb. "That's my family," he said. "That's all I had. That's
what I worked 40 years for."

He said he and his wife took in their grandson at birth when his son was
unable to take care of him. "I raised him," he said. "Jay has never raised
his voice at his grandmother or me. For 21 years, I never had to raise my
hand at him and that's what's so amazing about him."
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 11:58 am
It might have been better,
if some of the victims had been armed in their own defense
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sublime1
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 12:00 pm
Its supposed to be impossible to kill people with hammers and knives?
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Sturgis
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 12:13 pm
Quote:
It might have been better,
if some of the victims had been armed in their own defense


You mean the 5 year old?

Let's put it this way...the man was going to snap and he was going to kill off these persons no matter what. Arming them would not have prevented him from murdering them, it would only have forced him into finding a different way to go about doing it.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 01:51 pm
I suspect this kid either went off his meds or was never being treated for his psychiatric problems.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 02:16 pm
Assuming, arguendo, that each of the family members had been packing heat-- even the 5 year old (because when 5 year olds packing guns are outlawed, only 5 year old criminals will have guns, or somesuch nonsense) and that through some bizarre quirk of fate the killer was not, these people were each killed with a single blow "of massive force" to the head. This certainly argues that they were taken by surprise.

Now, unless you're advocating that in addition to arming ourselves to the teeth that we should all go around like Inspector Clouseau, practicing at being menaced from ambush-- which with the fully armed populace you seem to feel justified by this attack, could well be a deadly hobby-- I don't see how arming the victims could really have helped much. In all probability, it would only succeeded in adding to the carnage.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Sun 23 Apr, 2006 06:53 pm
A 17 year old girl was killed here the other day - stabbed to death while she finished up her shift at McDonalds.

She was 5 days away from her 18th birthday, due to graduate in just a month or so. Nice kid by every account.

Pretty too.

And smart.

She was just wiping down tables when a guy came in with a knife and killed her.

He was caught just a few minutes later.

He had been diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic when he was 6 years old and had a serious history of crime.

But nobody knew that when he just decided that he wanted to "hurt a girl".

I think every girl should carry a gun and kill any man that looks at her.

Lord knows enough kooky looking fellows wander into McDonalds. It shouldn't matter whether they mean harm or not. We should be able to shoot them dead just because they look harmful.

All of this is my long way of saying that your posts that pick up on other's personal tragedies to advance your gun agenda is just so terrifying that it makes me want to sit down and cry, David.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 04:20 am
You are such a sick, fearful little man. If I lived with your kind of fear and paranoia, I'd load one of those guns of yours and blow my fukking brains out. I can't imagine living like you do! You need some psychiatric help and some really heavy-duty medication.

You poor sick child! I pity you!

Anon
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:03 am
Sturgis wrote:
Quote:
It might have been better,
if some of the victims had been armed in their own defense


You mean the 5 year old?

Well, from the fact that he got killed by the guy
with the hammer and the knife,
we know that it cud not have been any worse for him.

Accordingly, his being armed, AT WORST,
cud only have been ineffective.
Possibly, it might have enabled him to have a life,
or at least to wound or kill the murderer.
Even WOUNDING him might have disabled him
and saved the other
members of his family.
I venture to surmise that killing the murderer
wud have certainly saved all of the victims
whom he had not already killed.


Quote:

Let's put it this way...the man was going to snap and he was going to kill off these persons no matter what. Arming them would not have prevented him from murdering them, it would only have forced him into finding a different way to go about doing it.

U know this for a FACT ?
U know that none of them might have struggled,
given some time to do so ?
I 'm not as sure of that as u are.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:05 am
You need psychiatric help.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:05 am
boomerang wrote:
All of this is my long way of saying that your posts that pick up on other's personal tragedies to advance your gun agenda is just so terrifying that it makes me want to sit down and cry, David.

There will be less reason to cry
if everyone is armed in his own defense.
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:14 am
Sturgis wrote:
Quote:
It might have been better,
if some of the victims had been armed in their own defense


You mean the 5 year old?


Addendum:
Admittedly, I personally, was unarmed at the age of 5,
but at the age of 8
( when I arrived in Phoenix, Arizona )
I armed myself with a 2" .38 revolver,
that accompanied me everywhere.

I never actually needed it,
as it turned out, but I felt more secure,
as were the other kids in my neighboorhood.
More people were killed by Ted Kennedy 's car,
than by any of our guns.

None of us had any complaints of bad manners with firearms.
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:15 am
blacksmithn wrote:
You need psychiatric help.

Ad hominem invective is the best u can do.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:17 am
It wasn't an attack. It was hope that you'd seek the help you so obviously need.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:32 am
Anon-Voter wrote:
You are such a sick, fearful little man. If I lived with your kind of fear and paranoia, I'd load one of those guns of yours and blow my fukking brains out. I can't imagine living like you do! You need some psychiatric help and some really heavy-duty medication.

You poor sick child! I pity you!

Anon

U don 't get the POINT.

I already HAVE a nicely developed gun collection,
and have had one for years. YOU r effusively and mindlessly emoting.
I am not emoting. I have no reason to fear anything.
I don 't live in a hi crime area.

Its that I want ALL OF MY FELLOW CITIZENS,
to be well armed. *
I have been fairly well armed for many decades.
Keep your " pity " for yourself n have a good time with it.
I don 't want it.
David




*
Note that insofar as violently felonious recidivists r concerned,
I advocate their removal from the North American Continent,
for public safety. So long as they remain here,
they can and they WILL arm themselves,
if they so elect, regardless of any laws to the contrary.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:47 am
I will add that a society
that is well armed, tends to inherently betoken n support personal freedom,
rugged INDIVIDUALISM, and self-reliance more broadly in its political fabric,
whereas, its opposite, repressive, intimidating anti-gun laws,
tends to encourage a DOCILE reliance of citizens upon the welfare state,
and its ILLUSION of collective security.

The philosophy of freedom of self-defense fosters
fundamental self-reliance, from an early age,
which is the view upon which America was originally based.
I APPROVE of that
David
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:51 am
Omsig,

I think you need to get professional help ... immediately!! RUN, don't walk to the nearest psychiatrist before you hurt someone!

Anon
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:52 am
blacksmithn wrote:
It wasn't an attack. It was hope that you'd seek the help you so obviously need.

OK, then:
I return the favor and encourage u
to seek psychiatric help for your hallucinations.
This is not an attack.
It is an effort to get u the medical help that u obviously need.

How 's that ?

David
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 08:56 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
blacksmithn wrote:
It wasn't an attack. It was hope that you'd seek the help you so obviously need.

OK, then:
I return the favor and encourage u
to seek psychiatric help for your hallucinations.
This is not an attack.
It is an effort to get u the medical help that u obviously need.

How 's that ?

David



You sad, incredibly sick child ... you're going to kill some innocent person(s) with you paranoiac delusions.

Get help now ... IMMEDIATELY!!

Anon
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 24 Apr, 2006 09:03 am
Anon-Voter wrote:
Omsig,

I think you need to get professional help ... immediately!! RUN, don't walk to the nearest psychiatrist before you hurt someone!

Anon

Its SAD that u choose to pollute the forum
with ad hominem vituperation and hopelessly emotional acrimony,
rather than to dispassionately analyse the merit of arguments set forth.
( Maybe that 's the best u can do. )

Ideally, it shud be open for free discussion
of everyone 's point of vu.

I guess u want only the commie point of vu
to be represented here. As a freedom loving American, I will not oblige.
David
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