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The Worst President in History?

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:29 am
Mr FartR, your apology to Setanta is due.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 01:44 am
Hingehead wrote:

I never mentioned GDP (go back and look loser boy). I only mentioned Defence spending. Screw reading your links - you don't even read short posts like this one.

end of quote.

To mention Defence spending of a country and suggest that it is too much is like saying that Bill Gates gave TEN BILLION TO CHARITY without knowing how much money he has!!!

Is Ten Billion a lot? It isn't to Bill Gates. Why? He is said to be worth 50 Billion Dollars. Ten Billion is only 20% of his total worth.


Therefore, Hingehead, when you complain that the US spent 5 Billion on Defense in one year, that means NOTHING unless you know how much the USA PRODUCED IN THAT YEAR!

Find someone who knows Economics. If you pay close attention, you may begin to understand.

I will try to restate if for you in a simple, almost elementary way--

The government's( ANY GOVERNMENT) ability to handle its debt is tied to the size and strength of its economy or Gross Domestic Product>
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:23 am
Returning to the subject of the thread and away from the troll's musings.......

As Jon Stewart puts it:


"There comes a point in every president's career when he has to reassure the people that he isn't the thing that everybody thinks they are. Richard Nixon famously said, 'I am not a crook.' Bill Clinton assured us, 'I did not have sex with that woman.' What point does this president have to clear up?"

Joe(Who wants to answer this one?)Nation
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:33 am
The point that this president has to clear up? Why it is that the lefties like Joe Notion do not know that the Islamo-Fascists want to kill us!

Joe Notion does not know that the Islamo-Fascists nearly attacked Germany with suitcase bombs on Germantrains.

Joe Notion does not know that the Nations of the world are learning that the ISlamo-Fascists hate everyone who is not a Muslim.

Joe Notion does not know that Spain learned it, the British learned it, the Malaysians learned it, and, now, the Germans almost have learned it.

Poor Joe Notion!!
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:50 am
Sorry, that's not a response to the question. Anyone else?

Joe(I was never at Ft. Bragg)Nation
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:52 am
Well, the reason you don't think it is a response to the question is that you can't read- Joe Notion!
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:55 am
dyslexia wrote:
Mr FartR, your apology to Setanta is due.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 03:02 am
No, Cyrano does not apologize to Valvert who called him a "putz" because Setanta has no wit..not an atom and of letters, he needs but three to set him down-ASS-An Ass!
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 03:12 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
BernardR wrote:
No, you weren't in the bars I went to--We didn't cater to "legs" in those days. We merely roughed them up and left them in the trash outside.

Did that ever happen to you? It would explain a great deal!!!


Bernard name the bars in Fayetteville on the strip from those days and the two main streets they were on..... please now and not hours from now after you've googled the info from your wheelchair.....

....
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hingehead
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 05:48 am
Joe Nation wrote:
As Jon Stewart puts it:


"There comes a point in every president's career when he has to reassure the people that he isn't the thing that everybody thinks they are. Richard Nixon famously said, 'I am not a crook.' Bill Clinton assured us, 'I did not have sex with that woman.' What point does this president have to clear up?"

Joe(Who wants to answer this one?)Nation


I somehow doubt it will be 'I am not an idiot.'
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 11:44 pm
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 03:10 am
Acting as if one were an idiot is the same as being an idiot, but Bush is not an idiot.

He suffers from the same mindset disfunctions that conservatives do. They are not sick, Bush isn't either, they do, however, live out their existence living in fear of the unknown and trying to pass that fear on to others. It makes for bad decision making. It makes for bad politics.

If he were just a Radio Shack manager, the things he does and says would be bad for business, but the rest of us would remain unscathed. As it is, with him actually in charge of our national security, some more of us are going to die for his delusions, to say nothing about the rest of humanity, because he hasn't got a clue who those people are.

As evidence, I offer his most recent news conference, a complete mish-mosh of grasping at straws and exposing a serious lack of understanding regarding the definition of the word "strategy".

Joe(In reply, massagotto will call me and several others ignorant)Nation

Golly, Ned.
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 05:48 am
Can you give an example of a specific unrealistic fear on Bush's part, since you say that this is one of his salient characteristics?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 05:50 am
Speaking of "idiots," has anyone else read the book, "Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got It Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First," by Mona Charen?
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 06:38 am
We could let Fred Kaplan at Slate answer Brandon's question...

Quote:
http://www.slate.com/id/2148197/
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 06:47 am
hingehead wrote:

I somehow doubt it will be 'I am not an idiot.'


So Bernard you disagree with me? You think he will say 'I am not an idiot'? I still can't imagine it but I won't argue with you. I'm happy to bet a beer on it.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 07:28 am
Brandon9000 wrote:
Can you give an example of a specific unrealistic fear on Bush's part, since you say that this is one of his salient characteristics?


From watching and listening to him over these past painful years, it's apparent that George is afraid of almost anything he doesn't understand, and that's a lot of things, from stem cell research to Islam to what roles other nations in the world play in making peace and war.

His greatest fears, however, are 1) uncertainty, the feeling of being out of control of events, (a glimpse at one of his speaking engagements which are hermetically sealed against anyone who might harbor an opposing view of the world is revealing of his need to be in control.) and 2) that he will make a mistake and that someone will notice and point it out. I've known others who think like that, mostly they have been children who have been browbeaten by one parent or another into trying to be perfect on the soccer field or at chess. They freeze like George does when he is confronted by a question, they make the same grim face as he does, they make the same claim denying that they have made any mistake or mistakes whatsoever. When you meet such children you always hope that they will have time to outgrow their condition, George is beyond such hope.

For him, and other conservatives, a heightened need to manage uncertainty and threat is the driving force in their lives as well as the need to dominate others. I think it is a life strategy that works well for people like George who obliviously has had some years of complete chaos in his life, but it doesn't seem to me to be a very healthy way to run either a Republic or a Democracy or any combination of the two.


Joe( Scaring the bejeezus out of the electorate does seem to work though it might be that we'll become what we fear.)Nation
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xingu
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 07:40 am
Joe Nation wrote:
Brandon9000 wrote:
Can you give an example of a specific unrealistic fear on Bush's part, since you say that this is one of his salient characteristics?


From watching and listening to him over these past painful years, it's apparent that George is afraid of almost anything he doesn't understand, and that's a lot of things, from stem cell research to Islam to what roles other nations in the world play in making peace and war.

His greatest fears, however, are 1) uncertainty, the feeling of being out of control of events, (a glimpse at one of his speaking engagements which are hermetically sealed against anyone who might harbor an opposing view of the world is revealing of his need to be in control.) and 2) that he will make a mistake and that someone will notice and point it out. I've known others who think like that, mostly they have been children who have been browbeaten by one parent or another into trying to be perfect on the soccer field or at chess. They freeze like George does when he is confronted by a question, they make the same grim face as he does, they make the same claim denying that they have made any mistake or mistakes whatsoever. When you meet such children you always hope that they will have time to outgrow their condition, George is beyond such hope.

For him, and other conservatives, a heightened need to manage uncertainty and threat is the driving force in their lives as well as the need to dominate others. I think it is a life strategy that works well for people like George who obliviously has had some years of complete chaos in his life, but it doesn't seem to me to be a very healthy way to run either a Republic or a Democracy or any combination of the two.


Joe( Scaring the bejeezus out of the electorate does seem to work though it might be that we'll become what we fear.)Nation


Excellent post.
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 07:45 am
joe said
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For him, and other conservatives, a heightened need to manage uncertainty and threat is the driving force in their lives as well as the need to dominate others. I think it is a life strategy that works well for people like George who obliviously has had some years of complete chaos in his life, but it doesn't seem to me to be a very healthy way to run either a Republic or a Democracy or any combination of the two.


I think so. It's very difficult not to see the similarities between the fundamentalisms of this administration and its supporters with the fundamentalisms arising elsewhere in the world. Modernity, or change which threatens old ways almost always gains such a reactionary response in some percentage of a community.
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xingu
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 07:57 am
blatham wrote:
joe said
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For him, and other conservatives, a heightened need to manage uncertainty and threat is the driving force in their lives as well as the need to dominate others. I think it is a life strategy that works well for people like George who obliviously has had some years of complete chaos in his life, but it doesn't seem to me to be a very healthy way to run either a Republic or a Democracy or any combination of the two.


I think so. It's very difficult not to see the similarities between the fundamentalisms of this administration and its supporters with the fundamentalisms arising elsewhere in the world. Modernity, or change which threatens old ways almost always gains such a reactionary response in some percentage of a community.


Conservatives (Bush and supporters) vs. conservatives (Muslim terrorist).

Damn conservatives. Without them we may have some peace.
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