cicerone imposter wrote:Did you see that? Bush is rated the worst in American history by historians.
Pshhhh.
"Historians" are probably just a bunch of danged liberals who have retired from dissiminating their leftist ideologies in the universities.
Worthless drivel, whatever they spew.
That's why we should never read history, let alone try and understand it. It's all just a buncha liberal propaganda!
Unless a conservative writes history; then it's true.
You can always believe Ann Colter's history.
Actually, historians do tend to lean to the left.
Conservatives are good at denigrating all the negative reports and polls by saying they're all liberals. I guess there are no conservatives working in our universities and media - only in government; I wonder why?
Roxxxanne wrote:Actually, historians do tend to lean to the left.
We actually agree on something! That must explain why FDR was the greatest president of all time, JFK was great, LBJ was great, and Nixon was a low down scumbag.
Well, I'm guessing that provoking a constitutional crisis and being forced to resign in shame might have something to do with Nixon's legacy. And wasn't there something about hiring folks to break the law to commit so-called dirty tricks and then trying to cover the whole mess up? Yes, I believe there was that little thing...
Undoubtedly a liberal plot by historians.
candidone1 wrote:But for the record, can someone tell me if any other president has had a lower approval rating?
Carter's lowest approval rating was lower still, tho the difference isnt all too great anymore (his dropped to the upper twenties I think)
okie wrote:Roxxxanne wrote:Actually, historians do tend to lean to the left.
We actually agree on something! That must explain why FDR was the greatest president of all time, JFK was great, LBJ was great, and Nixon was a low down scumbag.
We don't agree at all. Just because there is a slight liberal bias doesn't mean that they apply their ideology to their work. All of those Presidents were treated fairly by historians. Your simple-minded characterizations (JFK was great, LBJ was great, and Nixon was a low down scumbag.) are just that .simple-minded. And wrong.
However, responding to your post in the pea-brained manner that it is conveyed, LBJ and JFK weren't great, FDR isn't consider the greatest, Nixon is not considered a scumbag. Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, Reagan were all "great" too. Jimmy Carter is considered a disaster.
Speaking of the so-called liberal bias, I posted
this debate from UCSB (Carlson vs Alterman) elsewhere.
Carlson apears to actually be human in this debate.
Costly Words: 'I Don't Like President Bush'
By Al Kamen
Wednesday, May 10, 2006; Page A23
Housing and Urban Development Secretary Alphonso Jackson was back home in Dallas on April 28 giving a speech to minority real estate folks and offering a most interesting take on how business is done in Washington.
Jackson, former head of the Dallas Housing Authority, recounted a conversation he had in the nation's capital with a minority publisher.
HUD Secretary Jackson:
HUD Secretary Jackson: "He didn't get the contract." (Scott Eslinger - AP)
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"He had made every effort to get a contract with HUD for 10 years," Jackson said of the bidder, according to an account of the speech in the Dallas Business Journal. "He made a heck of a proposal and was on the GSA [General Services Administration] list, so we selected him. He came to see me and thank me for selecting him.
"Then he said something. . . . He said, 'I have a problem with your president.' I said, 'What do you mean?' He said, 'I don't like President Bush. ' I thought to myself, 'Brother, you have a disconnect -- the president is elected, I was selected. You wouldn't be getting the contract unless I was sitting here. If you have a problem with the president, don't tell the secretary.' "He didn't get the contract," Jackson continued. "Why should I reward someone who doesn't like the president, so they can use funds to try to campaign against the president? Logic says they don't get the contract. That's the way I believe."
Dallas Business Journal reporter Christine Perez asked HUD spokeswoman Dustee Tucker , who attended the speech, about the value of the yanked advertising contract. Perez was told that could not be provided.
"Because it was not awarded per what the secretary said, we don't have any record of it," Tucker said. "It was probably all verbal at that point." Tucker didn't return calls yesterday. But Democrats, led by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (N.J.), called for Jackson's head.
Aside from violating the Constitution's prohibitions on government retaliation for speech, we're told Jackson's peculiar view may violate federal procurement law, which requires "complete impartiality and . . . preferential treatment for none."
Approval Ratings?
Source- "The Presidential Difference" by Dr. Fred I. Greenstein
P. 235
Lowest Job Approval Rating during tenure-
Roosevelt- 54
Truman( one of our greatest presidents) -22
Eisenhower-49
Kennedy-56
Nixon- 35
Ford- 37
Carter- 28
Reagan- 35
Bush Sr.- 29
Clinton-37
Thanks for the statistics, BernardR. My thought is that people tire of a president and begin to think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, that somebody else might be better. This usually happens as politicians carry on the bickering and blaming. And polls usually reflect the tenor of news. The main stream news media has been pounding on Bush ever since he took office, so it is surprising his approval ratings are as high as they are. Add in the fact that conservatives are increasingly mad at him for liberal spending and lousy border security, and the numbers are fully explainable.
Then realize polls are greatly influenced by who you ask, what you ask, and how you ask it. Then realize polls can show all kinds of funny things:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/15/ufo.poll/
News organizations now take polls for the purpose of citing them as news. They are creating their own news instead of reporting the news. As the old adage goes, figures don't lie, but liars will figure.
I would love to be a pollster so that I could frame the questions to get the results I would like.
Oh, by the way, according to those so-biased polls (I don't seem to recall Conservatives having a problem with the polls when Bush was much more favored - you certainly won't find a single argument from that standpoint by a conservative on this board from 2002), Bush just tied his dad at 29%; a new low.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2006/05/11/bushs-approval-ratings/
No matter how the polls are worded, Bush's ratings drop isn't because Liberals have abandoned him; he's been in the toilet with them for years. It is because Conservatives are abandoning him over a variety of issues, from the gigantic Debt and Defecit, to the weak economy, to the rising Interest rates that they don't like, to the Iraq war which is taking it's toll, to illegal immigration.
Cycloptichorn
Cyclo, Good point: they sure didn't challenge those polls when Bush was getting good ratings.
Conservatives are good at calling liberals names like "cry-babies," but they fail to look themselves in the mirror. ha ha ha...
Not quite that simple. Repubs and Dems are each around 30% of the electorate. Independents are around 40%. Sway them and you win the election, which you don't by just playing to the base of your own party. And the independent poll numbers now are very close to those of the Dems. So this administration has lost not only the Dems, which they had lost all along ("I'm a divider, not a uniter"), but the independents who can give the Repubs their margin of victory but sure don't loook like they're gonna do that in Nov. Just playing to your base isn't anywhere near enought to win.
BR. Although the stats you posted on the president's ratings, I had always thought Nixon had a much lower rate - like below Bush Sr. I'm not sure where I got that impression, but thought all along that Nixon and Carter had the lowest ratings.
Quote:Bush approval rate at 29%
What's a'matter , Mr. President, don't people like you anymore? How could that possibly be? After all you have saved the freedom of American citizens, by taking it away. I guess to prevent those 9/11 terrorists from getting their hands on it.
Maybe the 71% of the people who disapprove of the job you are doing, really like the Constitution and the admendments which define and strengthen our rights. Maybe that 71% would prefer being able to speak candidly in a phone conversation without having Big Brother breathing down their necks. Maybe that 71% hate being a partner in the practice of torture and rendition? Maybe that 71% want to support their troops by bringing them home, and out of the war torn nation of Iraq, The nation that we tore up illegally. Maybe the 71% want a genuine recovery of the economy with jobs that have decent wages. I guess Americans are just unreasonable.
http://www.choicechanges.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=574
"Quick! Bomb someone so I can look Presidential!" -- Official White Horse Souse
Quote:Bush job approval falls to 29 pct in new poll
Fri May 12, 2006 9:17am ET
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President George W. Bush's job approval rating has hit a new low, with 29 percent of the U.S. public saying he is doing an "excellent or pretty good job," down from 35 percent in April, according to a Harris Interactive poll in The Wall Street Journal Online.
The poll of 1,003 U.S. adults said 71 percent of Americans said Bush was doing an "only fair or poor job," up from 63 percent in April. It said the survey was conducted May 5-8 and had a 3 percent margin of error.
reuters
Now that the media lost the fight to keep Bush's rating above that psychologically important 30%, look for the numbers to drop more rapidly.
Looks like junior is the son of his father who also rated 29 percent, but I'm looking forward to juniors numbers falling into the teens before his tenure is over.
f4f, Your list for the 71% misses many others, such as a) the billions being spent/wasted through fraud and mismanagement in Iraq could help Americans with more social services at home, b) help build "our" infrastructure that are badly in need of repair/maintenance, and c) spend that money in our schools to help "our" children to prepare them for the future.
This administration just extended the tax breaks for the most wealthy in our country while increasing our national debt. What manager in any business would keep their jobs in this country?
