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The Worst President in History?

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 09:44 am
Bernard, they won't open the floodgates. They will instead attempt to shut down people that do not agree with them. The Rush Limbaughs, Hannity, etc. Its called the "fairness doctrine." We must be fair you know, and Rush simply isn't fair. He is a bigot and there is no equal time, you know. Wait and see. Bet on it. I would rather not see her have the chance.

If you think liberals are in favor of free speech, you have another think coming. Is Castro in favor of free speech? Was Stalin? Was Kruschev? Was Mao? How about the guy in Venezuela, where Cindy Sheehan wants to go, its so much better down there you know, and we all know Cindy loves free speech. HA HA HA.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 09:55 am
"I'm amazed that there is such misunderstanding of what our country is about, that people would hate us. I am, I am -- like most Americans, I just can't believe it. Because I know how good we are." -- George W. Bush, 11 October 2001

Question: How much is an Iraqi life worth?

Answer: In terms of dollars (the measure of everything), not much.

In the early months of the American invasion of Iraq, the United States paid out $106,000 for 176 claims for wrongful death -- about $600 per claim.

During the siege of Fallujah in April 2004, the American military commander in the area paid $1,500 for each death and $500 for each injury.

More recently, $38,000 was awarded to family members of Haditha victims' -- about $1,600 per person killed.

The Coalition Provisional Authority banned Iraqi courts from hearing any cases filed against American servicemen or any foreign officials in Iraq.

The death benefits paid to the families of US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan is $500,000.

The Libyan government recently paid $2.7 billion for 270 passengers of Pan Am 103, blown up over Lockerbie in 1988 -- an average of $10 million per death.

And last year a Seattle woman was awarded $45,000 for the wrongful death of her cat.

-- Anas Shallal, "Are All Lives Equal? Not According To the Way the U.S. Compensates Victims", Christian Science Monitor (3 July 2006) http://fpif.org/fpifoped/3341
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 09:59 am
The Iraqis should be paying for every one of our soldiers killed to help their lousy country, instead of us paying them. After all, who created the lousy situation causing all of this, us or them?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 10:00 am
okie wrote:
The Iraqis should be paying for every one of our soldiers killed to help their lousy country, instead of us paying them. After all, who created the lousy situation causing all of this, us or them?

Us.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 10:04 am
cicerone imposter wrote:
And last year a Seattle woman was awarded $45,000 for the wrongful death of her cat.


... And the cat was from Israel.



And now you know the rest of the story.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 10:15 am
okie wrote:
Bernard, they won't open the floodgates. They will instead attempt to shut down people that do not agree with them. The Rush Limbaughs, Hannity, etc. Its called the "fairness doctrine." We must be fair you know, and Rush simply isn't fair. He is a bigot and there is no equal time, you know. Wait and see. Bet on it. I would rather not see her have the chance.

If you think liberals are in favor of free speech, you have another think coming. Is Castro in favor of free speech? Was Stalin? Was Kruschev? Was Mao? How about the guy in Venezuela, where Cindy Sheehan wants to go, its so much better down there you know, and we all know Cindy loves free speech. HA HA HA.


Apparently the Oklahoma educational system is in some significant disrepair.

Please explain (without deviating into logistic complexities and first ammendment nuances) how it could be the case that presentation of muliple viewpoints equals suppression of speech.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 10:22 am
okie wrote:
If you think liberals are in favor of free speech, you have another think coming. Is Castro in favor of free speech? Was Stalin? Was Kruschev? Was Mao? How about the guy in Venezuela, where Cindy Sheehan wants to go, its so much better down there you know, and we all know Cindy loves free speech. HA HA HA.

Another moron projecting the current issue to other times and countries that have absolutely no relationship to moron Bush's current imperialist's destruction now pervading Afghanistan and Iraq..
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 05:30 pm
okie wrote:
Bernard, they won't open the floodgates. They will instead attempt to shut down people that do not agree with them. The Rush Limbaughs, Hannity, etc. Its called the "fairness doctrine." We must be fair you know, and Rush simply isn't fair. He is a bigot and there is no equal time, you know. Wait and see. Bet on it. I would rather not see her have the chance.


I am not aware of any statements made by Hillary Clinton or any proposed legislation offered by Hillary Clinton that would have the effect of "shutting down" the free speech of political pundits such as Rush Limbaugh. If you have evidence to prove your statement, please present it so we will be able to know more about this "fairness doctrine" that curtails Rush's unfair speech.

I am aware that the BUSH administration is actively seeking to "shut down" people who report his misconduct to the media. I am aware that the BUSH administration gave security clearances to DOJ attorneys and investigators so they may investigate the identity of the persons who "leaked" BUSH'S illegal domestic wiretapping program to the media--in order to punish those leakers. On the other hand, I am also aware that the BUSH administration REFUSED to give security clearances to DOJ attorneys and investigators who were seeking to investigate BUSH'S illegal domestic wiretapping program. Is that fair? Does this Bush administration double standard fall within this "fairness doctrine" that you're talking about?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 05:53 pm
Happy to see you back, Debra. Please keep us straight on the Constitution and US laws.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 07:48 pm
okie wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:

The exercise of the power of government
shud be confined to those powers that were actually granted to it;
USURPATIONS ( e.g., telling us what we cannot think or talk about,
or write to each other about ) shud not be tolerated.
David


David, I agree with that. One of the reasons that so-called "hate crimes" are a joke. Crimes should be judged by what a person does, not what he thinks. I realize intent, malice, and motives are already considered with criminal acts, but the idea of a hate crime in terms of thought and words alone is fairly ridiculous. If you kill somebody, it doesn't seem to matter if you did it out of hate or not, and in fact why would you kill someone if you didn't hate them? However, characterizing speech or thought as a hate crime is definitely going down the wrong road in my opinion. If it constitutes a physical threat, then thats different.

Agreed.
Every citizen is sovereign
as to what goes on between his ears.
His emotions r a private matter.
A man shud be accocountable for what he DOES.




Quote:

In regard to nudist colonies, I am not in favor of outlawing those. Those have been around forever. However, I would be against going to school nude, and I don't think kids would ever get that used to it, to the point of being able to study anything or accomplish anything. Schools are not excelling to their best now, due in part to relaxed standards, in my opinion.

If kids in a nudist colony
wanted to learn something of interest to them,
u believe that establishing such a school there wud be futile ?
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 11:32 pm
blatham wrote:
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Apparently the Oklahoma educational system is in some significant disrepair.

Please explain (without deviating into logistic complexities and first ammendment nuances) how it could be the case that presentation of muliple viewpoints equals suppression of speech.


At least we have an educational system in Oklahoma.

Easy explanation, blatham. If enough people care to listen to or read your political views, media outlets will be knocking down your doors to showcase your views, and advertisers will be ringing their phone off the hook. Its called competition and freedom. But if nobody is interested in listening to you, but would rather hear conservatives instead, there is no suppression whatsoever. If instead you shut those people up to instead install some bozo nobody wants to listen to, it is indeed suppression.

Freedom of speech does not mean people should have to listen to your speech if they don't wish to. You have a right to speak, but the rest of us also have a right to decide whether we want to listen.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 11:39 pm
okie wrote:
If you think liberals are in favor of free speech, you have another think coming. Is Castro in favor of free speech? Was Stalin? Was Kruschev? Was Mao?


What an amazing tosser you are. Who said Stalin was a liberal, or Castro or Kruschev or Mao?

Oh that's right, you did. Your mind is mush if you think liberal=communist.

Laughed my f*cking balls off.
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 11:40 pm
okie wrote:
blatham wrote:
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Apparently the Oklahoma educational system is in some significant disrepair.

Please explain (without deviating into logistic complexities and first ammendment nuances) how it could be the case that presentation of muliple viewpoints equals suppression of speech.


At least we have an educational system in Oklahoma.

Easy explanation, blatham. If enough people care to listen to or read your political views, media outlets will be knocking down your doors to showcase your views, and advertisers will be ringing their phone off the hook. Its called competition and freedom. But if nobody is interested in listening to you, but would rather hear conservatives instead, there is no suppression whatsoever. If instead you shut those people up to instead install some bozo nobody wants to listen to, it is indeed suppression.

Freedom of speech does not mean people should have to listen to your speech if they don't wish to. You have a right to speak, but the rest of us also have a right to decide whether we want to listen.


Clearly illustrates the major problem that arises with having 59 million or so Americans so dumb.
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okie
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 11:49 pm
hingehead wrote:
okie wrote:
If you think liberals are in favor of free speech, you have another think coming. Is Castro in favor of free speech? Was Stalin? Was Kruschev? Was Mao?


What an amazing tosser you are. Who said Stalin was a liberal, or Castro or Kruschev or Mao?

Oh that's right, you did. Your mind is mush if you think liberal=communist.



Small correction. Extreme liberalism=communism.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 11:52 pm
Okie- Give it up. I am sorry to tell you that but you are in danger of being outmatched. You have encountered Debra LAW! Do you know what that means, Okie? She is the most brilliant LEGAL mind in the USA. How else could she be named Debra LAW.

The problem, Okie, is that she THINKS she is the most brilliant legal mind in the USA. She is really arguing from a stale and worn out feminist liberal basis. She is about ten years behind the times and despite the fact that she THINKS she knows all about Roe Vs. Wade, she is really clueless.

At one time she actually stated that there would be no more victories by the Anti-Abortion groups against Roe Vs. Wade. I held that Roe Vs. Wade would be picked to pieces.

So, Okie, what has happened today?

The Congress of the United States voted in a bill to punish anyone who aids women in crossing state lines to obtain an abortion.

Debra L A W's ideas, Okie are rooted in the kind of old fashioned feminist extreme liberalism that idiots like Catherine McKinnon present!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 26 Jul, 2006 11:53 pm
okie wrote:
If you think liberals are in favor of free speech, you have another think coming. Is Castro in favor of free speech? Was Stalin? Was Kruschev? Was Mao?

hingehead wrote:
What an amazing tosser you are. Who said Stalin was a liberal, or Castro or Kruschev or Mao?

Oh that's right, you did. Your mind is mush if you think liberal=communist.

Laughed my f*cking balls off.

Seem people like okie like to project ideas from history to explain current issues that are so off base and nonsensical, they can't figure out why people keep "laughing their f..... balls off."
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jul, 2006 12:00 am
Okie- You can't convince people who do not want to admit facts.

Mr. Blatham, who, to the best of my knowledge, was a Canadian from Vancouver, apparently has come to the USA and I understand that he is quite a successful businessman. More power to him. However, as a newly arrived guest, he really should be more tolerant of our country's ideas even though he came from a Socialist wonderland like Canada where the Medical System is so abysmally poor that even the Canadian Supreme Court ruled against it.

Mr. Blatham. I am sure, will not agree with either of us on these facts.

l. The most important and most powerful newspaper in the USA, a paper whose articles and feature stories are reprinted all over the USA and in hundreds of newspapers in the New York Times---a newspaper that is so left wing that it has never endorsed a Republican President( to the best of my knowledge)--certainly never since FDR.

Okie- With powerful Left wing media like the New York Times, the left needs not silence anyone. It merely drowns out the opposition because of its incredible power.

What other entity could repeatedly get away with disclosing critical US Secrets?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jul, 2006 12:07 am
The only thing that drowns out the media today are the catastrophic wars in the Middle East that Bush instigated by falsehoods.

The people aren't drowning, they're being killed by the thousands - all thanks to commander in chief, moron, Bush, that started a civil war in Iraq, and more tribal wars in Afghanistan.

All Bush supporters are blind to all his lies and sociopathic ways. He wants to protect stem cells, but f.... the Iraqis and Afghans.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jul, 2006 12:11 am
BernardR wrote:
Okie- Give it up. I am sorry to tell you that but you are in danger of being outmatched. You have encountered Debra LAW! Do you know what that means, Okie? She is the most brilliant LEGAL mind in the USA. How else could she be named Debra LAW.


Heard any good lawyer jokes lately, Bernard? As they say, for humor to work real good, it must contain a grain of truth. I always wondered why lawyer jokes have proliferated as they have.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 27 Jul, 2006 12:16 am
Yeah, don't forget to include your friend ticomaya in your lowyer jokes.
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