The ACLU also believes Neo-Nazis are protected by the Bill of Rights. Amazingly, Tico, who claims to have a law degree, can't grasp the fact that it is unpopular free speech that needs protection.
And surprise, surprise, Tico is lying yet again!
From the ACLU webiste:
Quote:The ACLU opposes child pornography that uses real children in its depictions. Material, however, which is produced without using real children, and is not otherwise obscene, is protected under the First Amendment. H.R. 4623 attempts to ban this protected material, and therefore will likely meet the same fate as the provisions stricken from the Child Pornography Prevention Act (CPPA) in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition.
Ticomaya wrote:gustavratzenhofer wrote:What is the answer to the question, Tico?
You're not asking me to answer what Frank Apisa or blatham thinks about the First Amendment protecting child pornography, are you?
For me, the answer is "no."
gustavratzenhofer wrote:Waiting
For what?
Just messin' with ya, tico. I like to see you get riled.
Ticomaya wrote:. . . I would point out that the ACLU has taken the position that the First Amendment does protect child pornography. . . .
If you believe the ACLU protects the Constitution, it follows that you must also believe that the Constitution protects child pornography. Please explain how I'm wrong, snood.
You're wrong because your argument is based on the false premise that "the ACLU has taken the position that the First Amendment protects child pornography."
The ACLU does NOT claim that the Constitution protects child pornography and, in fact, the ACLU is opposed to child pornography.
http://www.aclu.org/privacy/speech/14793leg20020508.html
tico wrote:
You have correctly identified that if one responds that child pornography is protected speech, the other can (and should) be morally outraged. But if one says it is not protected speech, rather than "push in the other direction," I would point out that the ACLU has taken the position that the First Amendment does protect child pornography. The point I expect to be illustrated by this exercise, is that the ACLU has a perverted view of what the Constitution stands for, and it is not sufficient to hold the view that the organization "protects the Constitution," just because that's what they claim they do. They protect their "view" of the Constitution, which for them includes protecting child pedophiles in disseminating child pornography.
What is it about restricting free speech don't you understand? Child pornography should be protected, but child molestation and injury is not. People like you will never see the difference, because people like you like to paint everything with a big brush without understanding the primary issue: free speech. I can understanf fully why a lowyer with your interpretation skills of the Constition and Bill of Rights would be disbarred.
imposter, the proverbial question should be posed to bring you back to reality, is it protected speech to yell "fire" in a theater?
Point being, there are numerous laws that prevent situations that lead to injury. The people trying to run out of the theater in the dark is the actual situation that led to injury, but the yelling of fire is what created the situation. Surely, some of you libs with the brightest of legal minds here could understand a simple principle as this? (Based on my experience of debating here, I am not betting on it however.) And clearly the constitution does not prohibit laws that make it wrong to yell fire when there is knowingly no fire.
The hundreds of thousands of molesters, rapists, and so forth roaming the country, child pornography is one of their specialties, and all you need to prove this is visit prisons around the country. Anybody that is in favor of protecting the innocent, our children, would be in favor of outlawing child pornography.
okie, Just another stupid question. There are laws against shouting "fire" in a theater as there are laws against "child molestation." Like Frank says, you are all "morons."
I just have one question for "you" people; what cave did all of you crawl out of?
cicerone imposter wrote:okie, Just another stupid question. There are laws against shouting "fire" in a theater as there are laws against "child molestation." Like Frank says, you are all "morons."
Cicerone, you apparently do not grasp the concept. Yelling fire is akin to pornography, not child molestation. Child molestation is the action that causes injury. The running out of the room is what causes injury, not yelling fire. Pornography is similar to yelling fire. Yelling fire when you know there is no fire, is not protected speech, and neither should be child pornography. It is not protected speech. The writers of the constitution would laugh some of you out of the room if they were here to hear you suggest such nonsense.
Shouting "fire" has caused harm to many peopole - even death. If the show or movie includes a sigment that includes shouting "fire," it doesn't create any danger to the audience. All those found guilty of using children for child pornography have been charged and imprisoned. There's a big difference that you'lll never see.
okie wrote:cicerone imposter wrote:okie, Just another stupid question. There are laws against shouting "fire" in a theater as there are laws against "child molestation." Like Frank says, you are all "morons."
Cicerone, you apparently do not grasp the concept. Yelling fire is akin to pornography...
Surreal. Actually, beyond surreal: Prof. Okie lecturing us on Brandeis!
okie wrote;
Cicerone, you apparently do not grasp the concept. Yelling fire is akin to pornography...
What righties are good at is projection; expanding one issue into many to divert it from the main discussion.
[quote="okie" Surely, some of you libs with the brightest of legal minds here could understand a simple principle as this? [/quote]
Perhaps, you could understand a simple statement, the ACLU does not support Child Pornography that involves actual children. It is has been stated twice here yet you go on ignoring it. Amazing.
cicerone imposter wrote:
What is it about restricting free speech don't you understand? Child pornography should be protected, but child molestation and injury is not. People like you will never see the difference, because people like you like to paint everything with a big brush without understanding the primary issue: free speech. I can understanf fully why a lowyer with your interpretation skills of the Constition and Bill of Rights would be disbarred.
I was simply responding to cicerone's apparent assertion that child pornography should be protected.
Obviously as I read some of the posts, I totally agree with Ticomaya.
P.S. Roxi, you forgot to put a bracket in your quote, and cicerone, you need some spelling lessons.
I did not say child pornography should be protected, you moron. I said "free speech" should be protected. You'll never see the difference, because your brain has been calcified by Bush-brain.
So you disavow your previous statement that child pornography should be protected?
cicerone imposter wrote:I did not say child pornography should be protected, you moron. I said "free speech" should be protected. You'll never see the difference, because your brain has been calcified by Bush-brain.
cicerone imposter wrote:What is it about restricting free speech don't you understand? Child pornography should be protected, but child molestation and injury is not. ...
Maybe you believe you understand what you thought you wrote, but I am not sure you realize that what you actually wrote is not what you think you wrote.
okie, This was posted by somebody in a previous post. Please read it and memorize it, you moron.
Quote:
The ACLU opposes child pornography that uses real children in its depictions. Material, however, which is produced without using real children, and is not otherwise obscene, is protected under the First Amendment. H.R. 4623 attempts to ban this protected material, and therefore will likely meet the same fate as the provisions stricken from the Child Pornography Prevention Act (CPPA) in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition.
cicerone, it would be most helpful if you would learn how to put things in quote boxes so we can figure out whos talking, you or somebody else. It isn't that difficult to do and would clear up alot of confusion.
Yelling fire in a crowded theater has been deemed action, not protected speech.
Clearly, using a child in the production of porn is child abuse. However, banning the sale of such porn does seem to violate our free-speech rights. What is the legal rationale for banning such porn?