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The Worst President in History?

 
 
BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 12:10 am
Well, sir, you may be right. The Republican "war hawks" as you call them, who have an agenda that does not, as you say, does not correspond in any way to the general will of the people. However, I am not aware that there has been a radical change in the personnel comprising those so-called "war-Hawks" since 2000 and if they are viewed by the public as negatively as you think they are, it would seem that the Bush Administration would not have won in 2002 and 2004.

I must ask you to think about the differences between the "polls" and the political organizations which get the people to the voting booths. There may be a difference. As all politicians know, the "turnout" is the key factor and there may be many other issues( not related to the War Hawks) such as Gay Marriage, Abortion and what is perceived by some as an "attack on religion.

I am sure you are aware, sir, that the famous Tip O"Neill said that ALL POLITICS IS LOCAL. The Incumbents campaigning before the November elections have quite a different relationship with their legislators than they have with the President of the United States.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 04:14 am
The worst president in history is George Dumbya Bush, the current moron in chief.

The worst knee-jerk sycophants in history are the deluded fools who still back him.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 06:21 am
Nothing beats the coked out drunk C student from Yale.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 11:05 am
And that "C" was bought by his daddy.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 11:42 am
BernardR wrote:
Well, sir, you may be right. The Republican "war hawks" as you call them, who have an agenda that does not, as you say, does not correspond in any way to the general will of the people. ......

Speaking of war hawks, I heard Howard Dean talk about Iran and North Korea, and he went on about Bush is gutless, he hasn't done anything serious to these people except negotiate and threaten. My thought was, Bernard, what does Mr. Dean have in mind, drop a big one on Iran or North Korea? The man is a certifiable nut. Talk about war hawks......

History shows that Republicans have always been accused of being war hawks, but historically which party has gotten us into more messes? I do not think Republicans have a monopoly on this issue. I still remember fairly vividly LBJ's ad against Goldwater, showing a little girl picking flowers in a field, next picture a mushroom cloud, insinuating how dangerous Goldwater was. Result: LBJ elected, and Vietnam the next war. Yes, it was LBJ's war, not Nixons. If Kerry had been elected, heaven help us now. He always wanted to prove he was a "man." He served in Vietnam, remember?
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 03:05 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
And that "C" was bought by his daddy.
An F student from Yale. Shocked ................ Laughing That could be the the most dangerous thing in the world.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 03:09 pm
Amigo wrote:
An F student from Yale. ................ That could be the the most dangerous thing in the world.


Added to that, he's a coke-head, dry alcoholic. If that doesn't signal danger, I don't know what will.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 03:20 pm
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4982/111812892521989om.jpg http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4813/111812895405243xo.jpg
John Forbes Kerry and George Walker Bush during their student days at Yale University.

Quote:
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's


By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry authorizes release of his full military and medical records. A7.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record. During the campaign the Globe sought Kerry's naval records, but he refused to waive privacy restrictions for the full file. Late last month, Kerry gave the Navy permission to send the documents to the Globe.

Kerry appeared to be responding to critics who suspected that there might be damaging information in the file about his activities in Vietnam. The military and medical records, however, appear identical to what Kerry has already released. This marks the first time Kerry's grades have been publicly reported.

The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses.

''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies.

Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire.

It is noteworthy, however, that Kerry received a high honor at Yale despite his mediocre grades: He was chosen to deliver his senior class oration, a testament to his reputation as a public speaker. He delivered a speech questioning the wisdom of the Vietnam War, in which he would soon see combat.

Kerry gradually improved his grades, averaging 81 in his senior year. His highest single grade was an 89, for a political science class in his senior year. Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate.

In his Navy application, Kerry made clear that he spent much of his college time on extracurricular activities, including the Yale Political Union, the Debating Association, soccer, hockey, fencing, and membership in the elite Skull and Bones Society. Asked to describe nonschool training that qualified him for the Navy, Kerry wrote: ''A great deal of sailing -- ocean and otherwise, including some navigation. Scuba diving. Rifle. Beginning of life saving." He said his special interests were ''filming," writing, and politics, noting that the latter subject occupied 15 hours per week.

Gaddis Smith, a retired Yale history professor who taught both Kerry and Bush, said in a telephone interview that he vividly remembers Kerry as a student during the 1964-1965 school year, when Kerry would have been a junior. However, Smith said he doesn't have a specific memory about Bush.

Based on what Smith recalls teaching that year, Kerry scored a 71 and 79 in two of Smith's courses. When Smith was told those scores, he responded: ''Uh, oh. I thought he was good student. Those aren't very good grades." To put the grades in perspective, Smith said that he had a well-earned reputation for being tough, and noted that such grades would probably be about 10 points higher in a similar class today because of the impact of what he called ''grade inflation."

Bush went to Yale from 1964 to 1968; his highest grades were 88s in anthropology, history, and philosophy, according to The New Yorker article. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student.

Like Kerry, Bush reportedly suffered through a difficult freshman year and then pulled his grades up.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 03:22 pm
Gee, and I though we were talking about 'president' Bush.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 03:23 pm
ticomaya, Your lawyerly tactics belong in the tenth grade.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 03:25 pm
I just thought that you might have forgotten about the stellar academic career of the losing candidate.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 03:28 pm
I guess well just have to compare their military records then, ay Tico? Laughing
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 03:41 pm
Amigo wrote:
I guess well just have to compare their military records then, ay Tico? Laughing


Let me know when Kerry decides to sign a Standard Form 180 and make those public, would ya?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 03:49 pm
Tico, It seems to go over your head: Kerry is not our president. He has no power comparable to any president in this country. His college grades is of no consequence on our lives.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 03:54 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
Amigo wrote:
I guess well just have to compare their military records then, ay Tico? Laughing


Let me know when Kerry decides to sign a Standard Form 180 and make those public, would ya?
Ok.

On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."

Link

Laughing I should do me some Lawyer'en
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 04:03 pm
Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), chairman of the House intelligence committee, confirmed on Sunday that he had criticized Bush in a May 18 letter for not briefing Congress on what he called a significant intelligence program, and said the failure to do so was a violation of law and an affront to him.

The right-wing morons keep telling us Bush didn't lie when he said congress has the same intel as congress. His own party member says different.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 04:04 pm
Ticomaya's fine post must be replicated.



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John Forbes Kerry and George Walker Bush during their student days at Yale University.

Quote:
Yale grades portray Kerry as a lackluster student
His 4-year average on par with Bush's

By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005

WASHINGTON -- During last year's presidential campaign, John F. Kerry was the candidate often portrayed as intellectual and complex, while George W. Bush was the populist who mangled his sentences.

But newly released records show that Bush and Kerry had a virtually identical grade average at Yale University four decades ago.

In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year.

Kerry authorizes release of his full military and medical records. A7.

Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years.

The grade transcript, which Kerry has always declined to release, was included in his Navy record. During the campaign the Globe sought Kerry's naval records, but he refused to waive privacy restrictions for the full file. Late last month, Kerry gave the Navy permission to send the documents to the Globe.

Kerry appeared to be responding to critics who suspected that there might be damaging information in the file about his activities in Vietnam. The military and medical records, however, appear identical to what Kerry has already released. This marks the first time Kerry's grades have been publicly reported.

The transcript shows that Kerry's freshman-year average was 71. He scored a 61 in geology, a 63 and 68 in two history classes, and a 69 in political science. His top score was a 79, in another political science course. Another of his strongest efforts, a 77, came in French class.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade. In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses.

''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies.

Kerry's weak grades came despite years of education at some of the world's most elite prep schools, ranging from Fessenden School in Massachusetts to St. Paul's School in New Hampshire.

It is noteworthy, however, that Kerry received a high honor at Yale despite his mediocre grades: He was chosen to deliver his senior class oration, a testament to his reputation as a public speaker. He delivered a speech questioning the wisdom of the Vietnam War, in which he would soon see combat.

Kerry gradually improved his grades, averaging 81 in his senior year. His highest single grade was an 89, for a political science class in his senior year. Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate.

In his Navy application, Kerry made clear that he spent much of his college time on extracurricular activities, including the Yale Political Union, the Debating Association, soccer, hockey, fencing, and membership in the elite Skull and Bones Society. Asked to describe nonschool training that qualified him for the Navy, Kerry wrote: ''A great deal of sailing -- ocean and otherwise, including some navigation. Scuba diving. Rifle. Beginning of life saving." He said his special interests were ''filming," writing, and politics, noting that the latter subject occupied 15 hours per week.

Gaddis Smith, a retired Yale history professor who taught both Kerry and Bush, said in a telephone interview that he vividly remembers Kerry as a student during the 1964-1965 school year, when Kerry would have been a junior. However, Smith said he doesn't have a specific memory about Bush.

Based on what Smith recalls teaching that year, Kerry scored a 71 and 79 in two of Smith's courses. When Smith was told those scores, he responded: ''Uh, oh. I thought he was good student. Those aren't very good grades." To put the grades in perspective, Smith said that he had a well-earned reputation for being tough, and noted that such grades would probably be about 10 points higher in a similar class today because of the impact of what he called ''grade inflation."

Bush went to Yale from 1964 to 1968; his highest grades were 88s in anthropology, history, and philosophy, according to The New Yorker article. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student.

Like Kerry, Bush reportedly suffered through a difficult freshman year and then pulled his grades up.

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Amigo shows how poorly informed he is when he states that President Bush was an F student.

I am sure that neither Amigo or Imposter know that the average student in the Ivy League schools received C's in the 60's. The grades have been raised since because if the Professors at the Ivy League Schools could not possibly pass most of the deficient minority students admitted under the ridiculous politically correct entrance requirements. Most of the grades of minorities in the Ivy League Schools are now around a B average. The average grades now given are A minus.

NOT IN THE SIXTIES!!!!!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 04:07 pm
BernardR wrote:
Ticomaya's fine post must be replicated.


Are you paid by lines you post here Shocked
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BernardR
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 04:10 pm
I don't understand your post. Are you speaking English or German?
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 11 Jul, 2006 04:11 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
BernardR wrote:
Ticomaya's fine post must be replicated.


Are you paid by lines you post here Shocked


That was very funny indeed, walter.
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