I don't think I understand any of you. Mostly I don't get why the US assumes king of the world authority, except for its own economic interests, and the pursuit of those over decades, many decades, has set off cataclysms for many others on earth. All this rule setting for everyone else is the height of fantasy and brings me to despair.
Asherman wrote:
Quote:Some conservatives and Republicans took a harder and more critical view of Clinton than I did. A dear friend was fond of calling Clinton a crypto-communist, but I think most of that was more for effect that true belief. I never hear a Republican or conservative suggest the the country was in danger by the President's actions, even though many of the people I knew thought him a fool.
This, my children, is what is known as obfuscation. The Conservative Press and Media started the day Clinton took office to undermine his Presidency. One purported scandal after another with the sole intent to remove him from power, to promote a coup d'etat. Read Ann Coutler's books, she proudly admits to such.
Asherman's friend used crypto-communist - wow- pretty mild compared to murderer (Vince Foster), thief, (Whitewater), drug smuggler (Arkansas Troopergate) et al.
I think their attacks on Clinton's Presidency weakened this nation and I think Conservative scandal rags are so ashamed of themselves (or ought to be) that any discouraging word about George W. is labeled hate-speech, as kneejerk as any of their thought processes. Pathetic.
Joe(Now W. wants to bomb Iran.)Nation
Joe Nation wrote:Asherman wrote:
Quote:Some conservatives and Republicans took a harder and more critical view of Clinton than I did. A dear friend was fond of calling Clinton a crypto-communist, but I think most of that was more for effect that true belief. I never hear a Republican or conservative suggest the the country was in danger by the President's actions, even though many of the people I knew thought him a fool.
This, my children, is what is known as obfuscation. The Conservative Press and Media started the day Clinton took office to undermine his Presidency. One purported scandal after another with the sole intent to remove him from power, to promote a coup d'etat. Read Ann Coutler's books, she proudly admits to such.
Asherman's friend used crypto-communist - wow- pretty mild compared to murderer (Vince Foster), thief, (Whitewater), drug smuggler (Arkansas Troopergate) et al.
I think their attacks on Clinton's Presidency weakened this nation and I think Conservative scandal rags are so ashamed of themselves (or ought to be) that any discouraging word about George W. is labeled hate-speech, as kneejerk as any of their thought processes. Pathetic.
Joe(Now W. wants to bomb Iran.)Nation
We disagree about some things, Joe, but about this we are in perfect accord. Even before Clinton was in the White House, there were people on the right who had him in their sights, and were determined to bring him down. But leaving all that aside, when I read Asherman's last post I literally threw up my hands and said "it's no use". I mean, if the right cannot now
even remember (or admit to remembering) the pure gutter level bile that was regularly spewed at Bill and Hillary, then there is really no basis in reality for discussion of the subject of what is and is not unfair criticism of their boy shrub.
Talk about a total CaCa overload!! I'm starting to think McGentrix is Asherman in disguise!!
Anon
I've never claimed to speak for all conservatives, or all Republicans. I do try to represent civility and gentlemanly behavior, and to avoid nasty diatribes that would disgrace even 5 year-olds. Gross exagerations serve little purpose, but to enflame the emotions at the expense of reason. Why indulge in it? It will not convince the opposition, who rightly sneer at the inaccuracies and distortions made, it seems, only to insult.
I know that serious allegations were made against President Clinton that he had something to do with Foster's death, that he "sold" the Lincoln bedroom to the highest bidder, etc., etc. None of the charges had much, if any substance. President Clinton wasn't treated any more roughly by partisans of the opposition than previous Presidents. And, more to the point at no time did the criticisms of President Clinton come close to the levels of hatred we've come to expect expressed against this President, all who support him, and the Republican Party as a whole. Neither during the Carter nor Clinton Administrations did Republican partisans so routinely call the American People stupid, ignorant, etc., etc. for electing the opposition. The left and zealous partisans of the Democratic party seem to have no respect at all for any opinion that disagrees with them.
I fail to see how one can claim to be patriotic while calling our military personnel war ciminals, and murderers. Believing the the propaganda of our sworn enemies over our elected representatives, especially during times of crisis I believe to be unseemly. How can any sane person believe that any President of the United States would connive to perpetrate a deadly attack on our nation, whether it be Pearl Harbor or 9/11? These are base slanders and libels that can only pass without challenge because they are made against public politicians and are protected by the Bill of Rights. If you who want to change this country's policies continue your uncouth behavior, don't be surprised if you remain unelected and unelectable.
Quote:Iraq, situated in the heart of the Middle-East, the center of gravity for the radical Islamic terrorist movement.
Do you have any supporting references for this claim other than the misinformation propagated by the Bush administration to sell it's war to the US public?
Asherman,
You're a first class fertilizer salesman, but in the end, it's still fertilizer, and you stink of it!!
Anon
Anon ... look at any map published in the last decade. Check any of the many sites available on the internet as to the distribution of religions around the world. I can't imagine anyone questioning Iraq's location, or that the locus of radical Islam is Southwest Asia.
InfraBlue wrote:Quote:Iraq, situated in the heart of the Middle-East, the center of gravity for the radical Islamic terrorist movement.
Do you have any supporting references for this claim other than the misinformation propagated by the Bush administration to sell it's war to the US public?
You can just about substitute any (mideast) name in place of Iraq, which the Fascists commonly do, and you have that statement!! They change it around depending on who they want to attack next! Notice Iran is picking up popularity now!
Anon
I'm sorry Anon for attributing Infrablues geographic confusion to you. My only excuse is your posts sound so much alike. Its interesting that anyone who disagrees with your hatred of the United States and its policies are automatically "Fascists" ... an accusation that is patently false.
Asherman wrote:Anon ... look at any map published in the last decade. Check any of the many sites available on the internet as to the distribution of religions around the world. I can't imagine anyone questioning Iraq's location, or that the locus of radical Islam is Southwest Asia.
Christians and Whites have been invading the MidEast for centuries (1095), and they always have had a good reason. However, in the end, it always boils down to greed, money, and power.
Asherman, tell me at least you've served in the military, and you're not just another chickenhawk. Tell me you at least have backed up all that patriotic talk with some risk, your body, and a couple of years out of your life!!
Anon
Yes, I've served in the U.S. military and my eldest son is today a professional Army officer nearing retirement. My son has served a large part of his career in Korea as an Asian specialist. I've had connections with the intelligence community in the past. I've studied Asia for many years, primarily with focus on East Asia, especially China.
As a part of my studies, I've kept abreast of what is going on inside our military ... especially in the transition from traditional doctrine to what we have seen demonstrated over the last five years, or so. Recently I've cut back on reading as many of the military professional journals as I did a few years ago, but still make the effort occasionally.
If you're interested my bio is but a click away.
BTW, other conservatives here are also military veterans. GeogeOb1 is a retired Naval Officer of flag rank, Timber is a retired Marine Gunny, MysteryMan was enlisted USMC, etc., etc. We don't always agree on things, and some of the retired military here are both Democrats and Liberals ... though seldom are they as obnoxious as those apparently with no military experience outside a movie theater.
Ash,
Never beven thought to look, no one seems to fill them out any more.
At least you been in the Military, and your son has served. I get so sick of the chickenhawks!
I've always thought you were well educated, but it eludes me how you come up with your evaluation of the MidEast.
I've got to be at it at 4:AM, so I'll bid you Good Night.
Sorry to hear about your ailments, old age ain't for sissies!
Anon
kickycan wrote:Sturgis wrote:dyslexia wrote:No Gore couldn't have *****ed the US of A as bad as Bush because the republican congress would have stopped him. Interesting thought yes?
Yup.
(and be sure to check my follow up thoughts too)
What follow up thoughts? So did I read your post right? Are you actually agreeing that Gore couldn't have possibly f*cked up as bad as Bush has?
Cool.
Well, um, er, uh, actually I meant that it was an interesting thought. Not necessarily a correct thought; just inty-resting.
By the way how's that Chabad thing going next door to you?
