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Iran Air Strikes Growing in Probability

 
 
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 06:57 am
Setanta wrote:
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
You've gotta give Blair credit though. He is absolutely superb at fielding even the most difficult questions with aplomb.


That is not a comforting thing to consider.
typo meant a bomb.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 06:58 am
You're just tryin' to cheer me up, eh?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 07:03 am
you feeling down right now? Here have one of these Very Happy

I know you like 'em. Any better?
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 09:48 am
Ahmadinejad writes to US outlining global vision

London Telegraph | May 8 2006

Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has written to George W Bush, the US president, outlining plans to resolve "the current vulnerable situation in the world", an Iranian official has said.


It is thought to be the first letter from an Iranian president to an American leader since the Iranian revolution in 1979, and an official said it would be delivered later today to the Swiss Embassy in Tehran.
"In this letter, he has given an analysis of the current world situation, of the root of existing problems and of new ways of getting out of the current vulnerable situation in the world," Gholamhossein Elham, a government spokesman, said.

A foreign ministry spokesman said the contents of the letter would not be made public until Mr Bush had read it.

Earlier, Mr Ahmadinejad said he had some "important news" to announce. It was not clear whether he was referring to the letter.

The US has led an international campaign against Iran's nuclear programme.

The Islamic republic claims it needs nuclear fuel only for power stations, but America believes that it is trying to assemble a nuclear arsenal.

America and Iran severed official diplomatic ties in 1980, amid a crisis that began when a group of radical students stormed the American embassy in Teheran and held 52 Americans hostage.


Iran has been reported to the UN security council over its nuclear activities.
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revel
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 07:25 am
Evidently that letter was a bit of a waste of time and probably did more harm than good in easing any tensions. Not that I think even if the letter was well articulated and reasoned, the administration would have considered it.

Apparently this Ahmadinejad guy is not well liked in his country. However, he has little authority and every time Bush or Rice or someone starts in on Iran all it seems to do is bind the country together against outsiders interfering in their business.

Translation of Shirin Ebadi's Dearborn speech

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As a Muslim Iranian, I state here that I do criticize the government of Iran. But this does not mean that America has the right to invade Iran. And if America has not learned its lesson from Iraq and thinks of invading Iran, notwithstanding all of the criticisms we have of our government, we will defend our country to the last drop of our blood. And we will not let an alien soldier set foot on the land of Iran.

If American speaks of globalization, this doesn't mean that the whole world is seen as one village and Bush is seen as the only sheriff of that village.

Fortunately, there are one billion two hundred million Muslims in the world. And, if it is necessary, they are all going to forget about their discrepancies and unite. And we will not permit the wrong theory of a clash of civilizations to take place.

We Muslims are united, and our unity will guarantee our victory.

Wishing you peace and health for all of you. Thank you for listening to me. Hopefully, next time when I come here, Muslims are in a better situation in the world.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 04:23 pm
Have any of you actually READ the letter?

It reads more like a religious text,then a letter from one President to another.

Here is the full text of the letter...

http://www.npr.org/documents/2006/may/ahmadinejad_letter.pdf
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snood
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 05:46 pm
I haven't read the letter, but I'm sure that it doesn't approach the level of forward-thinking vision our president has in bringing us victory in Iraq.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 06:07 pm
I cannot but agree with Snood that the irrelevancies of the Persian President's missive are not to be considered important in light of the leadership which President Bush is applying to lead the Iraqi people to the sunny uplands of freedom, peace and democracy.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 08:37 pm
If forced to attack Iran, what do they attack? Iraq? Israel?

With the two most effective military forces in the world occupying those two places, it would seem Iran is playing the Joker.
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blacksmithn
 
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Reply Tue 9 May, 2006 09:12 pm
Speaking of effective, I must say that we should all be enheartened now that President Bush has shown us the clear path to democracy in Iraq with his bold plan for victory!
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BernardR
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 01:57 am
I have read the letter referenced by Mysteryman carefully and I must say that there are elements in it which are right on target. The letter criticizes the spending of Billions on the war in Iraq while poverty is endemic in the United States. The Iranian President did ruin his excellent letter however with his constant references to Jesus Christ. Apparently, his aides did not inform him that the intellectuals in the USA put no stock in any proposal which relies on Jesus Christ as a pivitol point in the argument.

I am sure that the Administration will not take the letter seriously.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 04:13 am
Strip out all the calls to religious piety, and Ahmadinejad's letter makes a lot of sense to me. I particularly liked his reference to 911.
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 10:10 am
I'm with Steve (PBUH) on this one.

I only read the first 3 or 4 pages of the letter, before he started to ramble on a bit about Irael's history, but the references to Iraq make sense to me.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 03:20 pm
'Great Satan Park' planned
10/05/2006 11:24 - (SA)

Tehran - The former US embassy in Tehran could soon see a new chapter in its troubled history, with a top Iranian commander calling for the downtown compound to be turned into a "Great Satan Park".

"We would be able to nicely show off the American crimes to citizens strolling in the park," General Mir-Faisal Bagherzadeh told the official news agency IRNA.

"The former American Den of Spies should become the park of Great Satan," said the general, who heads the Sacred Defence Foundation - an influential propaganda body set up to commemorate the 1980-88 Iran-Iraq war.

Following Iran's Islamic revolution in 1979 that toppled the US-backed shah, the former US embassy was seized by Islamist students and 52 of its staff were taken hostages for 444 days.

The prime city centre property is now used for military training by Iran's powerful ideological army, the Revolutionary Guards, while the main building also serves as a museum to display the "documents of American espionage and crimes against the Islamic Republic of Iran".
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Wed 10 May, 2006 03:25 pm
McTag wrote:
I'm with Steve (PBUH) on this one.
aw thats kind mct assume it was peace and not piss.
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xingu
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 07:45 am
Question here, and this may have been covered somewhere else.

Does Bush have the legal right to attack another country without consent from Congress?

Has Congress given Bush consent to attack Iran or any country Bush chooses?

Does not the constitution require us to declare war on a country before we attack it?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 08:03 am
See "the War Powers Resolution." This is often erroneously referred to as the War Powers Act. However, the War Powers Act was passed in 1917, and dealt with the issue of trading with belligerants in time of war. The War Powers Resolution was passed in 1973 in response to President Johnson's use of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution of 1964 to wage war in Vietnam. The War Powers Resolution spelled out what the President's obligations are for consulting Congress in waging war.

Wikipedia wrote:
The purpose of the War Powers Resolution is to ensure that Congress and the President share in making decisions that may get the U.S. involved in hostilities. Portions of the War Powers Resolution require the President to consult with Congress prior to the start of any hostilities as well as regularly until U.S. armed forces are no longer engaged in hostilities (Sec. 3); and to remove U.S. armed forces from hostilities if Congress has not declared war or passed a resolution authorizing the use of force within 60 days (Sec. 5(b)). Following an official request by the President to Congress, the time limit can be extended by an additional 30 days (presumably when "unavoidable military necessity" requires additional action for a safe withdrawal).


The Wikipedia article

Many people construe the resolution as authorizing the President to unilaterally wage war for up to 60 days without consulting Congress. This interpretation is widely condemned, however, especially after Reagan's invasion of the island of Grenada, and the elder Bush's invasion of Panama. For practical purposes, it is generally considered that the President still needs to go to Congress to get war powers before initiating military action. Whether or not that would be considered binding by this administration is anybody's guess.
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xingu
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 08:32 am
Then I would interpret this to mean Bush cannot attack Iran without consent from Congress. If he did then in theory he would be committing an impeachable act.

Is this a valid assumption?
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 09:00 am
It is an assumption which would lead to an argument by lawyers.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 11 May, 2006 09:33 am
cjhsa wrote:
If forced to attack Iran, what do they attack? Iraq? Israel?

With the two most effective military forces in the world occupying those two places, it would seem Iran is playing the Joker.


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You can bet that Iran would retaliate. Tehran promised a "crushing response" to any US or Israeli attack, and while the country - ironically - doesn't possess nuclear weapons to scare off attackers, it does have other options. Iran boasts ground forces estimated at 800,000 personnel, as well as long-range missiles that could hit Israel and possibly even Europe. In addition, much of the world's oil supply is transported through the Strait of Hormuz, a narrow stretch of ocean which Iran borders to the north. In 1997, Iran's deputy foreign minister warned that the country might close off that shipping route if ever threatened, and it wouldn't be difficult. Just a few missiles or gunboats could bring down vessels and block the Strait, thereby threatening the global oil supply and shooting energy prices into the stratosphere.

An attack on Iran would also inflame tensions in the Middle East, especially provoking the Shiite Muslim populations. Considering that Shiites largely run the governments of Iran and Iraq and are a potent force in Saudi Arabia, that doesn't bode well for calm in the region. It would incite the Lebanese Hezbollah, an ally of Iran's, potentially sparking increased global terrorism. A Shiite rebellion in Iraq would further endanger US troops and push the country deeper into civil war.

Attacking Iran could also tip the scales towards a new geopolitical balance, one in which the US finds itself shut out by Russia, China, Iran, Muslim countries and the many others Bush has managed to piss off during his period in office. Just last month, Russia snubbed Washington by announcing it would go ahead and honor a $700 million contract to arm Iran with surface-to-air missiles, slated to guard Iran's nuclear facilities. And after being burned when the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority invalidated Hussein-era oil deals, China has snapped up strategic energy contracts across the world, including in Latin America, Canada and Iran. It can be assumed that China will not sit idly by and watch Tehran fall to the Americans.

Russia and China have developed strong ties recently, both with each other and with Iran. Each possesses nuclear weapons, and arguably more threatening to the US, each holds large reserves of US dollars which can be dumped in favor of euros. Bush crosses them at his nation's peril.

Yet another danger is that an attack on Iran could set off a global arms race - if the US flaunts the non-proliferation treaty and goes nuclear, there would be little incentive for other countries to abide by global disarmament agreements either. Besides, the Bush administration's message to its enemies has been very clear: if you possess WMD you're safe, and if you don't, you're fair game. Iraq had no nuclear weapons and was invaded, Iran doesn't as well and risks attack, yet that other "Axis of Evil" country, North Korea, reportedly does have nuclear weapons and is left alone. It's also hard to justify striking Iran over its allegedly developing a secret nuclear weapons program, when India and Pakistan (and presumably Israel) did the same thing and remain on good terms with Washington.

The most horrific impact of a US assault on Iran, of course, would be the potentially catastrophic number of casualties. The Oxford Research Group predicted that up to 10,000 people would die if the US bombed Iran's nuclear sites, and that an attack on the Bushehr nuclear reactor could send a radioactive cloud over the Gulf. If the US uses nuclear weapons, such as earth-penetrating "bunker buster" bombs, radioactive fallout would become even more disastrous.


http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0218-28.htm
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