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Iran Air Strikes Growing in Probability

 
 
Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 08:45 pm
April 8, 2006, 6:03PM
Report: U.S. plans for possible Iran attack


Reuters News Service

WASHINGTON -- The U.S. administration is stepping up plans for a possible air strike on Iran, despite publicly pushing for a diplomatic solution to a dispute over its nuclear ambitions, according to a report by influential investigative journalist Seymour Hersh.

Hersh's story in the April 17 issue of the New Yorker magazine quotes former and current intelligence and defense officials as saying the administration increasingly sees "regime change" in Tehran as the ultimate goal.

"This White House believes that the only way to solve the problem is to change the power structure in Iran, and that means war," Hersh quotes an unidentified senior Pentagon adviser on the war on terror as saying.

The report says the administration has stepped up clandestine activities in Iran and has initiated a series of talks on its plans with "a few key senators and members of Congress."

A former senior defense official is cited as saying the military believed a sustained bombing campaign against Iran would humiliate the leadership and lead the Iranian public to overthrow it, adding that he was shocked to hear the strategy.

The report also says the U.S. military is seriously considering the use of a tactical nuclear weapon against Iran to ensure the destruction of Iran's main centrifuge plant at Natanz. The Pentagon advisor is quoted as saying some senior officers and officials were considering quitting over the issue.

The United States says it is focused on forging a diplomatic solution to the Iran impasse but refuses to rule out an attack to deal with what it says is one of the biggest threats to Middle East stability.

Hersh won a Pulitzer prize in 1970 for uncovering the infamous My Lai massacre by U.S. troops in Vietnam and his reporting on abuses by American troops at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison helped expose one of the worst scandals to hit the administration of President Bush.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 09:32 pm
(Oh, noooooooooooooooooooooooo!)
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 09:34 pm
I was ready to be skeptical, then saw it was from Hersh.

Uh-oh.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 09:44 pm
This reporter doesn't deliberately tell lies.
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paull
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 09:48 pm
Seymour doesn't deliberately tell lies. But he does throw monkey scat with the best of them. If none of this ever happens, can we ignore him from now on? Unless he is doing some Tom Harveyish topical anecdote thing. Hersh has one of the best voices extant.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 10:11 pm
We just have to watch and wait.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 10:20 pm
This is nothing new.
There are plans in the Pentagon to wage war against every country on earth,and those plans have existed since the 1950's.

They are called "contingency plans",and they are updated constantly.
That does not mean they will ever be used,or that they are part of the Presidents plan.

Now," former senior defense official" could be anyone from a recent person to Sandy Berger,Clintons National Security Advisor.
I would have to know who Hersh's sources are and what positions they held in the DoD before I put serious stock in this report.

I am not calling Hersh a liar,but I want more info from him about his sources and their bona fides before I take this report to seriously.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 10:20 pm
Quote:
Has Ahmadinejad Miscalculated?
The Iranian president better sober up and do some cool reckoning.


We are now acquainted with the familiar scenario: Iran is supposedly poised to become another disaster like Iraq. The United States, bruised in Iraq, needs redemption, and so will either press onto Teheran in its vainglorious imperial ambitions, or seek to direct attention away from Iraq by conjuring up another dragon to slay.

The Left further alleges that, once more, we favor preemption, wish to attack an Islamic country, will act unilaterally, and will sex up the intelligence to construct a casus belli about mythical "weapons of mass destruction." The result is that the mere idea of preemption in Iran is just too messy even to contemplate, so we may end up timidly "outsourcing" the problem to others. That is the general critique of our Iranian policy.

Meanwhile, amid that conundrum, the Iranians are engaged in a three-part strategy to obtain nuclear weapons. First, they conduct military exercises, showing off novel weapons systems with purportedly exotic capabilities, while threatening to unleash terror against global commerce and the United States. It may be a pathetic and circus-like exercise born of desperation, but the point of such military antics is to show the West there will be some real costs to taking out Iranian nuclear installations.

Second, Iranians simultaneously send out their Westernized diplomats to the U.N. and the international media to sound sober, judicious, and aggrieved ?- pleading that a victimized Iran only wants peaceful nuclear energy and has been unfairly demonized by an imperialistic United States. The well-spoken professionals usually lay out all sorts of protocols and talking-points, all of which they will eventually subvert ?- except the vacuous ones which lead nowhere, but nevertheless appeal to useful Western idiots of the stripe that say "Israel has a bomb, so let's be fair."

Third, they talk, talk, talk ?- with the Europeans, Chinese, Russians, Hugo Chavez, anyone and everyone, and as long as possible ?- in order to draw out the peace-process and buy time in the manner of the Japanese militarists of the late 1930s, who were still jawing about reconciliation on December 7, 1941, in Washington.

During this tripartite approach, the Iranians take three steps forward, then one back, and end up well on their way to acquiring nuclear weapons. Despite all the passive-aggressive noisemaking, they push insidiously onward with development, then pause when they have gone too far, allow some negotiations, then are right back at it. And we know why: nuclear acquisition for Iran is a win-win proposition.

If they obtain an Achaemenid bomb and restore lost Persian grandeur, it will remind a restless population that the theocrats are nationalists after all, not just pan-Islamic provocateurs. A nuclear Iran can create all sorts of mini-crises in the Gulf ?- on a far smaller scale than Saddam's invasion of Kuwait ?- which could spike oil prices, given the omnipresence of the Iranian atomic genie. The Persian Gulf, given world demand for oil, is a far more fragile landscape than in 1991.

The Islamic world lost their Middle Eastern nuclear deterrent with the collapse of the Soviet Union ?- no surprise, then, that we have not seen a multilateral conventional attack on Israel ever since. But with a nuclear Islamic Iran, the mullahs can claim that a new coalition against Israel would not be humiliated ?- or at least not annihilated when it lost ?- since the Iranians could always, Soviet-like, threaten to go nuclear. There are surely enough madmen in Arab capitals who imagine that, at last, the combined armies of the Middle East could defeat Israel, with the guarantee that a failed gambit could recede safely back under an Islamic nuclear umbrella.

Lastly, Iran can threaten Israel and U.S. bases at will, in hopes of getting the same sort of attention and blackmail subsidies it will shortly obtain from the Europeans, who likewise are in missile range. All failed states want attention ?- who, after all, would be talking about North Korea if it didn't have nukes? So, in terms of national self-interest, it is a wise move on the theocracy's part to acquire nuclear weapons, especially when there is no India on the border to play a deterrent role to an Iran in the place of Pakistan.

There are only two slight problems with this otherwise brilliant maneuvering: George Bush and the government of Israel. Conventional wisdom might suggest a chastised president is only showing the preemption card to play the "bad cop" alternative to the Europeans. Pundits also point to George Bush's low polls to illustrate how straitjacketed the president is in his options, as Iraq, Katrina, and illegal immigration sap away his strength.

Again, I'm not so sure. Low polls work both ways. Is an advisor likely to whisper to a second-term Mr. Bush, "Be careful about preemption in Iran, or your approval rating polls might sink from 40 to 35?"

Moreover, who knows what a successful strike against Iranian nuclear facilities might portend? We rightly are warned of all the negatives ?- further Shiite madness in Iraq, an Iranian land invasion into Basra, dirty bombs going off in the U.S., smoking tankers in the Straits of Hormuz, Hezbollah on the move in Lebanon, etc. ?- but rarely of a less probable but still possible scenario: a humiliated Iran is defanged; the Arab world sighs relief, albeit in private; the Europeans chide us publicly but pat us on the back privately; and Iranian dissidents are energized, while theocratic militarists, like the Argentine dictators who were crushed in the Falklands War, lose face. Nothing is worse for the lunatic than when his cheap rhetoric earns abject humiliation for others.

Finally, in a post-September 11 world, no American president wants to leave a nuclear Iran for his successor to deal with ?- especially when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the one in control of the nukes and promising a jihad if confronted, is probably a former American hostage taker and terrorist.

The president still believes, as do many others, that the removal of Saddam was necessary, and that Iraq will still emerge as a consensual society. If he leaves office after birthing democracies in lieu of the Taliban and Saddam Hussein, and establishing that the region is free of nuclear weapons, despite the worst Iranian bullying, his presidency, for all the current hysteria, will be seen by history as a remarkable success.

And then there is Israel. All sane observers hope it is not drawn into this crisis, and for a variety of reasons. The emboldened Iranians count on this. Yet they do not realize the extent of the dilemma that their rhetoric and nuclear brinkmanship force on an Israeli president. To do nothing, a mere 60 years after the Holocaust, would imply three assumptions on the part of an Israeli leadership ?- "wiping us off the map" is just theocratic rhetoric; if the Iranians ever do get the bomb, they won't use it; and if they use it, it won't be against us.

Those are, in fact, three big "ifs" ?- and no responsible Israeli can take the chance that he presided over a second holocaust and the destruction of half the world's surviving Jewry residing in what the radical Islamic world calls a "one-bomb state."

History would not see such restraint as sobriety, but rather as criminal neglect tantamount to collective suicide, and would reason: "An Israeli prime minister was warned by the president of Iran that he wished to wipe Israel off the map. He was then informed that Iran was close to getting nuclear weapons. And then he did nothing, allowing a radical Islamic regime to gain the means to destroy the Jewish state."

So for all the lunacy of Mr. Ahmadinejad, it is time for him to sober up and do some cool reckoning. He thinks appearing unhinged offers advantages in nuclear poker. And he preens that unpredictability is the private domain of the fanatical believer, who talks into empty wells and uses his powers of hypnosis to ensure his listeners cannot blink.

Iran, of course, is still an underdeveloped country. It seems to profess that it is willing to lose even its poverty in order to take out one wealthy Western city in the exchange. But emotion works both ways, and the Iranians must now be careful. Mr. Bush is capable of anger and impatience as well. Of all recent American presidents, he seems the least likely to make decisions about risky foreign initiatives on the basis of unfavorable polls.

Israel is not free from its passions either ?- for there will be no second Holocaust. It is time for the Iranian leaders to snap out of their pseudo-trances and hocus-pocus, and accept that some Western countries are not merely far more powerful than Iran, but in certain situations and under particular circumstances, can be just as driven by memory, history, and, yes, a certain craziness as well.

Ever since September 11, the subtext of this war could be summed up as something like, "Suburban Jason, with his iPod, godlessness, and earring, loves to live too much to die, while Ali, raised as the 11th son of an impoverished but devout street-sweeper in Damascus, loves death too much to live." The Iranians, like bin Laden, promulgate this mythical antithesis, which, like all caricatures, has elements of truth in it. But what the Iranians, like the al Qaedists, do not fully fathom, is that Jason, upon concluding that he would lose not only his iPod and earring, but his entire family and suburb as well, is capable of conjuring up things far more frightening than anything in the 8th-century brain of Mr. Ahmadinejad. Unfortunately, the barbarity of the nightmares at Antietam, Verdun, Dresden, and Hiroshima prove that well enough.

So far the Iranian president has posed as someone 90-percent crazy and 10-percent sane, hoping we would fear his overt madness and delicately appeal to his small reservoirs of reason. But he should understand that if his Western enemies appear 90-percent children of the Enlightenment, they are still effused with vestigial traces of the emotional and unpredictable. And military history shows that the irrational 10 percent of the Western mind is a lot scarier than anything Islamic fanaticism has to offer.

So, please, Mr. Ahmadinejad, cool the rhetoric fast ?- before you needlessly push once reasonable people against the wall, and thus talk your way into a sky full of very angry and righteous jets.

?- Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 10:32 pm
Ahmadinejad is going to talk Iran into a parking lot.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 10:38 pm
Some people act like we have a limitless armed force, which will stretch, gumby-like, to maintain multiple major theatres.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 10:38 pm
And the US will get blamed,no matter what happens.
If Iran does use nukes,then we will get blamed for "allowing" it to happen,when we could have prevented it.

If we remove their nuke capability,then we get the blame and called "imperialists,war mongers,etc"

Thats why I say we should do nothing,and let the EU and the UN handle it.
Both groups claim to be able to handle world problems better then we can,so let them prove it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 10:43 pm
It's not really the Sunday topic in Europe, but ...

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"The Brits think this is a very bad idea, but they're really worried we're going to do it," Flynt Leverett, a former member of the US National Security Council, is quoted as saying.
Source
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 10:46 pm
snood wrote:
Some people act like we have a limitless armed force, which will stretch, gumby-like, to maintain multiple major theatres.

The parking lot scenario doesn't require soldiers.
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snood
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 11:00 pm
Lash wrote:
snood wrote:
Some people act like we have a limitless armed force, which will stretch, gumby-like, to maintain multiple major theatres.

The parking lot scenario doesn't require soldiers.


Yeh - nukem. good thinkin.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 11:03 pm
"There is only only one thing worse than the United States exercising a military option and that is a nuclear-armed Iran."--John McCain

Of course, I didn't advocate it. I merely gave an option to your gumby army.
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talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 11:14 pm
Let's make a movie "A strike too far".
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 8 Apr, 2006 11:45 pm
From the NYT report
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"The article contains information that is inaccurate," said Michele Ness, a spokeswoman for the Central Intelligence Agency. She declined to elaborate.


Would be more than interesting to know exactly what.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 07:21 am
Just thinking:
- will this attack happen before November so that the then Demcrat majority can't block the war?
- will there be a new "coalition of the willing" if the UN doesn't go agree to the attack? (And who will join? [Doubtfully that UK will be again Bush's best partner.)
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 07:44 am
Lash wrote:
"There is only only one thing worse than the United States exercising a military option and that is a nuclear-armed Iran."--John McCain

Of course, I didn't advocate it. I merely gave an option to your gumby army.


Even leaving aside the idea that we nuke Iran, it's not a sane option. Airstrikes will not exist in a vacuum. We have to launch them from somewhere - The likely place would be Iraq. Which would involve longer term deployment and infrastructure in Iraq. Which is square one.
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snood
 
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Reply Sun 9 Apr, 2006 07:45 am
Lash wrote:
"There is only only one thing worse than the United States exercising a military option and that is a nuclear-armed Iran."--John McCain

Of course, I didn't advocate it. I merely gave an option to your gumby army.


Even leaving aside the idea that we nuke Iran, it's not a sane option. Airstrikes will not exist in a vacuum. We have to launch them from somewhere - The likely place would be Iraq. Which would involve longer term deployment and infrastructure in Iraq. In any case, all military action is interrelated by definition. Support and supply is all interrelated. Only in cartoons and comicbooks can someone launce a massive airstrike without getting the means to do it from somewhere else we might need it.
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