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Iran Air Strikes Growing in Probability

 
 
nimh
 
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Reply Sat 6 May, 2006 06:42 pm
The NYT has also picked up on the speculation over Straw's departure:

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Among those who were demoted was Jack Straw, his foreign secretary, who became leader of the House of Commons.

Mr. Straw had become a close associate of Condoleezza Rice, the United States secretary of state.

Reuters news agency reported that Ms. Rice telephoned Mr. Straw on Friday. Mr. Blair has not explained why he removed Mr. Straw as foreign secretary. But newspapers on Saturday ascribed Mr. Straw's dismissal to factors including Mr. Blair's dislike of the highly publicized friendship between Mr. Straw and Ms. Rice, Mr. Straw's rejection of a possible military solution in the Iran nuclear crisis and Mr. Blair's suspicion that Mr. Straw was positioning himself to win favor with Mr. Brown. Mr. Straw has described the likelihood of military action against Iran as "inconceivable," while Mr. Blair, like the Bush administration, has been more circumspect about keeping options open to pressure Iran.

The new foreign minister, Margaret Beckett, a longtime Labor politician who was environment minister, will be plunged into her new job on Monday as she enters negotiations on Iran at the United Nations.

In the past, particularly in the Iraq war, Mr. Blair has often taken the lead in running Britain's foreign policy, and Mr. Straw's exit may be designed to give the prime minister more leeway in the Iran crisis.

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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 06:22 am
Setanta wrote:
blatham wrote:
Setanta wrote:
You analysis suffers from a lack of understanding of the Shrub's future, Mr. Mountie. After the mid-terms, he may well decide he'll attack Iran, and have no further electoral worries, since he'll be a lame duck, and the consequences for the Republican Party will be meaningless for him.


Set

I understand the lame-duck dynamic, but consider that it applies less for Bush than it might in almost any other circumstance and with almost any other Presidency. As Woodward's book noted, decisions got made after Bush visited Cheney's office. There are many reasons to consider this President more of a figurehead than probably anyone else in US history. I consider it quite possible, for example, that he was fed the idea that he is "the decider".

Though he may consider that anything which happens after his Presidency is over to of little concern (I don't think that is so), there are too many powerful and influential constituencies propping up his administration (and benefiting from it) which desire to maintain their grasp on power. I consider those constituencies determinative here.


First, i would note that King-makers surrender the ultimate power having made their King, for whatever their intent. Second, i would point out that after the mid-term elections, neither the Shrub nor any member of his administration any longer needs to cater to those constituencies, the more so as it is so unlikely that any member of this administration--Cheney least of all--has any prospect of attempting to secure the Republican nomination. On that basis, i consider this rogue administration to be far more dangerous as a lame duck than any other i've seen in my lifetime.


set

Of course, you may have this right. I just don't think you do but I don't want to invest the necessary time to lay out a full analysis of why I don't agree. You deserve that. I just don't really have the time.

But let me make the point that an attack on Iran risks driving the price of oil much higher (or increasing volatility dramatically) and that consequence alone will be one which will damage corporate interests, the military and Republican electoral chances. Bush may or may not have some notion of a coming Armagaeddon initiated in some dramatic mid east conflagration but there's no indication at all that anyone around him (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Rove, etc) would share such insanity.

So, the only real risks as regards the situation we are discussing is either: 1) that the calculation is made that only a new war might restore Republican electoral chances (and I think the prospect of that calculation almost nil) or 2) that the Doctor Strangelove types under Rumsfeld and Cheney in the Pentagon are now so militarized and powerful and so insanely proud of their shiny weapons (and so personally safe from physical risk) that they push events that far or 3) that ties between this administration and Israeli hawks are magnitudes stronger or more determinative than I suspect they really are.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 06:23 am
There's another piece in the Guardian this morning suggesting that Straw may have been removed at the wishes of the Bush administration. For the reasons given earlier, I would guess that is not accurate.
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 06:26 am
I just wish Bush and Blair and any others would just take an honest look at Iraq and ask themselves if they want to do that again only this time with possibly more deadly consequences. But I don't hold out much hope.

In an counter move which will most likely only serve the war hawks agenda Iran announced it might withdraw from the nuclear treaty.

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TEHRAN, Iran - The Iranian parliament threatened Sunday to force the government to withdraw from the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty if the United States continues pressuring Tehran to suspend uranium enrichment.

In a letter to U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan read on state-run radio, the lawmakers said they would consider forcing the withdrawal if "the U.N. Secretary General and other members of the U.N. Security Council fail in their crucial responsibility to resolve differences peacefully."

The legislators said they would have no choice but to "review Article 10 of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty." The article allows signatories to pull out of the treaty if they decide that extraordinary events have jeopardized the supreme interests of its country. A withdrawing nation must give fellow treaty signers and the U.N. three months notice and detail the events that have forced the decision to pullout of the agreement.

North Korea withdrew from the treaty in 2003 on that basis.


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McTag
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 06:43 am
blatham wrote:
There's another piece in the Guardian this morning suggesting that Straw may have been removed at the wishes of the Bush administration. For the reasons given earlier, I would guess that is not accurate.


I'll read The Observer later on. (Sunday paper from the Guardian stable) I'm running late today.

I think it's significant that last month Straw said a strike on Iran was unthinkable, and this month he's removed from his post.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 06:53 am
McTag wrote:
blatham wrote:
There's another piece in the Guardian this morning suggesting that Straw may have been removed at the wishes of the Bush administration. For the reasons given earlier, I would guess that is not accurate.


I'll read The Observer later on. (Sunday paper from the Guardian stable) I'm running late today.

I think it's significant that last month Straw said a strike on Iran was unthinkable, and this month he's removed from his post.
The exact word he used was "inconceivable" i believe. He also said that the idea of the United States using tactical nuclear weapons against hardened Iranian nuclear facilities was "nuts".
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 06:58 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
The exact word he used was "inconceivable" i believe. He also said that the idea of the United States using tactical nuclear weapons against hardened Iranian nuclear facilities was "nuts".


If that there Jack boy was usin' the adjective "nuts" to describe any policy or plan of the current regime here, then he displayed discriminating perception.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 08:39 am
I yhink Israel is the wild card in this entire dance. I dont think that Israel will allow continued enrichment of Uranium by Iran. .
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 08:44 am
I don't want to agree with farmerman's last post, but I have to. If Bush don't do it, Israel will.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 09:43 am
farmerman wrote:
I yhink Israel is the wild card in this entire dance. I dont think that Israel will allow continued enrichment of Uranium by Iran. .
Israel is powerless to stop it.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 10:06 am
But, does that mean they won't at least try?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 10:24 am
Its funny how we forget the examples of recent history involving Israels abilities to accomplish things . Israel has tactical nukes and a long range delivery system.
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SierraSong
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 10:24 am
Israel has been misunderestimated in the past.
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 11:04 am
If Israel strikes Iran, you can bet that the US wil aid and support and more than likely join them. I hope that it don't happen.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 11:14 am
But what is really going on is a desperate attempt, both in Iraq and possibly to come in Iran, to preserve dollar petro hegemony.

http://www.petrodollarwarfare.com/PDFs/PetrodollarWarfareAndTheIranianOilBourseWebsite.pdf
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 01:51 pm
Ahmadinejad is a professed Mahdist. He wishes to restore a Muslim Religious brotherhood. He has spoken of returning the Mahdi. He has been loudly provoking the US and we, with this admin, are falling into the desired trap. We wont negotiate and therefore are promoting the sabre rattling. I dont think, that if Israel wipes Irans Nuke processing and enrichment facilities out, that China will sit back especially after negotiating really sweet petroleum deals.

Something must be done , but, I dont think that the present US govt is up to the task.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 7 May, 2006 02:13 pm
what if we could threaten collective sanctions that the Iranians would see as biting? What if those were combined with possible gains in terms of a deal on nuclear energy, economic benefits and security understandings if the Iranians would give up the nuclear program?

While one can argue that the Europeans were trying to negotiate some- thing like this with the Iranians, they were never able to put together a package of credible sanctions and inducements, because the United States was not really a part of the effort. True, this country has coordinated with the British, French and Germans in the Bush second term. But a serious effort at raising the costs to the Iranians and offering possible gains has never been put together.

Why not now? Why not have the president go to his British, French and German counterparts and say: We will join you at the table with the Iranians, but first let us agree on an extensive set of meaningful - not marginal - economic and political sanctions that we will impose if the negotiations fail. Any such agreement also would need to entail an understanding of what would constitute failure in the talks and the trigger for the sanctions.

The Europeans always have wanted the Americans at the table. Agreeing on the sanctions in advance would be the price for getting us there. To be sure, the United States would focus as well on what could be provided to the Iranians. But the benefits have always been easier to agree on, particularly since meaningful sanctions will also impose a price on us.

Real economic sanctions would not just bite Iran and its ability to generate revenue, but also would drive up the price of oil. Our readiness to accept that risk at a time when high gasoline prices are becoming a domestic political issue would convey a very different signal about our seriousness to the Iranians - who presently don't fear sanctions because they think they have the world over a barrel.

There is no guarantee such an approach will work with Iran. This Iranian government may simply be determined to have nuclear weapons. If that is the case, and if President Bush is determined to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons - as he has said - we would still be better off having tried a direct negotiating option before resorting to what inevitably will be a difficult, messy use of force once again.

For the full article.
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revel
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 06:10 am
Officials: Iran's President Writes to Bush

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TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's leader has written to President Bush proposing "new solutions" to their differences in the first letter from an Iranian head of state to an American president in 27 years, a government spokesman said Monday.

Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki delivered the letter to the Swiss ambassador on Monday, ministry spokesman Hamid Reza Asefi told The Associated Press. The Swiss Embassy in Tehran houses a U.S. interests section.

In the letter, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad proposes "new solutions for getting out of international problems and the current fragile situation of the world," spokesman Gholam-Hossein Elham told a news conference.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 06:31 am
I just watched Tony Blair's monthly press conference. He was quizzed several times about the reasons for Jack Straw's departure from the Foreign Office. Was it because he said "an attack on Iran was inconceivable" and that talk of a nuclear strike was "nuts"?

Blair said it was nothing to do with Iran

"people say its because we are going to INVADE IRAN-WE ARE NOT."

I am relieved to hear Britain is not going to invade Iran, but Tony Blair by deftly answering a question no one asked of course managed to duck the issue.

He said Straw had approached him a year ago just after the general election about moving on and taking on the role of supervising govt business through parliament...

Really Tony? What does Jack have to say on that? Jack is not saying anything of course.

I dont believe anyone would willingly give up the job as Foreign Secretary to take on a job of managing the passage of legislation through the House. Thats bullsh1t mr Blair, but of course I cant prove otherwise.

The fact is that Blair lost his defence Secretary AND foreign Secretary at the same time. We've jus taken over in the most dangerous area of Afghanistan, and Margaret Beckett is dropped right in the thick of talks on Iran at the UN. Thats bullsh1t mr Blair, no prime minister would change those two positions SIMULTANEOUSLY and at a time of considerable international tension unless they were put under intense pressure...from the only direction that counts and thats Washington.

So he was asked to repeat the words of Straw...that an attack on Iran was inconceivable and nuclear strike nuts. And you know what? He managed to say that it was absurd that he had heard talk of a nuclear strike on Iran, but in a way that sounded like saying a nuclear strike on Iran was absurd...and as for "inconceivable"....he completely ignored it.


So the good news is that Britain is not about to invade Iran.

The bad news is that Blair lost his Foreign Secretary because of pressure from Washington who clearly think that a strike of some sort on Iran is very far from "inconceivable"...possibly because they have been busy conceiving such plans for a long time.

You've gotta give Blair credit though. He is absolutely superb at fielding even the most difficult questions with aplomb.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Mon 8 May, 2006 06:47 am
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
You've gotta give Blair credit though. He is absolutely superb at fielding even the most difficult questions with aplomb.


That is not a comforting thing to consider.
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