Iran Air Strikes Growing in Probability

Ticomaya wrote:

dlowan wrote:
What is your opinion on that one Tico?

I'm asking you ... you're the one talking about "mobs." I don't understand your "mobbing" remarks .... what constitutes a "mob," to you?

Was it "mobbing" when F4F applauded one of Anon's many posts calling me a chickenhawk/chickenheart? Does it take more than two to "mob"? Or is it only "mobbing" if you perceive the "victim" to be weak or functionally disabled in some way?

Of course I think you are mobbing.

I will leave arguments about mobbing by the left to you in this thread.

"If you perceive the "victim" to be weak or functionally disabled in some way?" That remark, which I am not surprised to hear from you, makes it obvious to anyone with an ounce of humanity why I will not discuss this particular issue further on this thread.

I am happy to explain to you why via PM if you do not, as I imagine you will not, get it.

Suffice it to say that I do not consider a common human reaction to horriffic trauma to denote "weakness", and nor would you if you had an iota of knowledge about what you speak of.

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Hmmmm...China is expecting to sign a $100 billion oil deal with Tehran.....

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Deb: I have been reading about just that....China will be a big factor in the mix with Iran.

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Yes...not sure if the US will want to take on Iran...AND China and Russia..which is hoping to build lots of nuclear reactors for Iran.

And....here is where money and politics/ideology hit a pointy end.

Guess where a huge chunk of the world's uranium is?

Right here in my humble state's back yard.

Now, there has been a stir recently about Australia agreeing to sell uranium to China.....(but again, what the hell will happen if China starts consuming oil the way your country and mine does? Right...no oil, and likely a greenhouse efffect effect that will make the one today look like a pane of plastic....) with attendant risks...

I guess Iran may want a bit of uranium, too, some time, if their reactors do not get blown up?

Will the government that happily ignored the Australian Wheat Board's subverting of the oil for food program (as did evewry other government participating with THEIR businesses,,,but hey, the most important law is "don't get caught" and we did....they didn't even bother investigating when the US got pissed off about it!)..in Iraq find it hard not to sell uranium to whoever will pay for it?

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Just popping in to applaud dlowans insights and stand-taking re: post dynamics ...

also (without intending to sound too ossobuco in my word choice), sharing the wonder about how, on a net forum, a common sense of empathy and humanity that would be (one would hope) applied in normal interaction seems so easily discarded when the opportunity for exercises in argumentational beingrightism presents itself...

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I second that Nimh....

Deb, can't PM since I was away so long, things changed. Email me at Edit [Moderator]: Address removed

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Asherman wrote:

Vietnam was in a way the true birthplace of Al-Quaida and the radical Islamic movements way of waging war against the U.S. and the West.

I don't know if this is what VNN was referring to when she said Asherman was "full of it", but I think she's definitely right as it applies to the above statement.

I think Ash needs a review of the early involvement of the U.S., and the events starting even before WWII.

http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/vietnam/index.html

Two of the most poignant events of the timeline that stick with me are these:

Ho Chi Minh was an U.S. Ally during WWII !

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1941

Communist activist Ho Chi Minh secretly returns to Vietnam after 30 years in exile and organizes a nationalist organization known as the Viet Minh (Vietnam Independence League). After Japanese troops occupy Vietnam during World War II, the U.S. military intelligence agency Office of Strategic Services (OSS) allies with Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Minh guerrillas to harass Japanese troops in the jungles and to help rescue downed American pilots.

This next entry is enough to make me want to puke! After the Japanese surrender, read what Ho Chi Minh does! He begs us to recognize him ... he creates the Vietnamese Declaration of Independence from the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. Instead, we give Vietnam back to France! How stupid is that? If we were so concerned about Communism, why didn't we take advantage of the moment?

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September 2, 1945 - Japanese sign the surrender agreement in Tokyo Bay formally ending World War II in the Pacific. On this same day, Ho Chi Minh proclaims the independence of Vietnam by quoting from the text of the American Declaration of Independence which had been supplied to him by the OSS -- "We hold the truth that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, among them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. This immortal statement is extracted from the Declaration of Independence of the United States of America in 1776. These are undeniable truths."

We're our own worse enemy, we MAKE our own problems. We create them ourselves, and then whine later! We're in the that continuing process right now with Iraq and Iran. This bullshit will come back to haunt us 100 fold, and then the right wing will be whining about "Why is it so bad, why do they hate us so. Why would they want to kill US??" The answer, because we MAKE them hate us with our continuing interference which is almost always to the detriment of the common people. Iraqi's are learning to hate us right now in a way that they can never hate Saddam. The cure was tragically worse than the illness.

We will pay for this continuing lack of vision!!!

Anon

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dlowan wrote:

Hmmmm...China is expecting to sign a $100 billion oil deal with Tehran.....

Exactly why I don't think China will tolerate an attack on Iran. If nothing else, they could just force the payment of the Trillion we owe them, that would get our attention!

Anon

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nimh wrote:

Just popping in to applaud dlowans insights and stand-taking re: post dynamics ...

Well, my inclination to read Deb's last post about "mobbing" and just let it go, just went out the window ...

nimh wrote:

also (without intending to sound too ossobuco in my word choice), sharing the wonder about how, on a net forum, a common sense of empathy and humanity that would be (one would hope) applied in normal interaction seems so easily discarded when the opportunity for exercises in argumentational beingrightism presents itself...

There is absolutely no reason any reasonably normal person would apply "empathy" toward AV, who has demonstrated nothing but venom toward me, and any poster who does not share his political views. You (nimh, dlowan, and Vietnamnurse) may want to empathize with what you perceive as his traumatic experiences, but his ailment (if he has one) is no justification for the way he treats other posters on this forum. Pointing out the words that he has used in the past, and asking for an explanation for them is not unreasonable, and the fact that dlowan thinks that "I" engage in "mobbing" (by myself? -- I'm left wondering) is incredible, when she has seen countless posters (usually those on the right, myself included) "mobbed" by multiple piling-on leftist posters (nimh included), with nary a complaint from the rabbit, who has herself engaged in that behavior. In fact, I could probably point to a thread where both dlowan and nimh engaged in "mobbing" of me. Thus my question about whether she reserves her complaints for occasions where she perceives the "victim" of the "mobbing" as weak, or in need of her defense ... but then again it may just be "victims" she likes.

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Anon has some fiery rhetoric, but, once you swish aside that which is swishable, you come to the heart of the matter. I agree with about 90% of his tirades.

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I don't; we still get along.

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Ticomaya wrote:

nimh wrote:
Just popping in to applaud dlowans insights and stand-taking re: post dynamics ...

Well, my inclination to read Deb's last post about "mobbing" and just let it go, just went out the window ...

nimh wrote:
also (without intending to sound too ossobuco in my word choice), sharing the wonder about how, on a net forum, a common sense of empathy and humanity that would be (one would hope) applied in normal interaction seems so easily discarded when the opportunity for exercises in argumentational beingrightism presents itself...

There is absolutely no reason any reasonably normal person would apply "empathy" toward AV, who has demonstrated nothing but venom toward me, and any poster who does not share his political views. You (nimh, dlowan, and Vietnamnurse) may want to empathize with what you perceive as his traumatic experiences, but his ailment (if he has one) is no justification for the way he treats other posters on this forum. Pointing out the words that he has used in the past, and asking for an explanation for them is not unreasonable, and the fact that dlowan thinks that "I" engage in "mobbing" (by myself? -- I'm left wondering) is incredible, when she has seen countless posters (usually those on the right, myself included) "mobbed" by multiple piling-on leftist posters (nimh included), with nary a complaint from the rabbit, who has herself engaged in that behavior. In fact, I could probably point to a thread where both dlowan and nimh engaged in "mobbing" of me. Thus my question about whether she reserves her complaints for occasions where she perceives the "victim" of the "mobbing" as weak, or in need of her defense ... but then again it may just be "victims" she likes.

It's mainly the chickenshits I have a problem with Tico! Ask Asherman if I have been treating him with venom ... Roger, Timber, CJSHA, Momma Angel, any number of conservative Posters that are 180 degrees out from what I am, yet I treat with respect and am friendly with. No Tico, it's the cowards who want to send troops where they are too chicken and too self centered to go that are my problems. It's the fact that you don't know ****, and continue to show it on a daily basis. You cranked on Vietnamnurse without knowing who she was. Your nothing but a self centered despicable child who needs a good trip to the woodshed. Unfortunately, it appears that your parents spared the rod with you when they should have been leaving welts all over your ass!!

Mobbing? I don't feel I'm being mobbed at all. Dlowan of course is referring to you, MM, and Asherman yakking all at once! I've been dealing with you right wing extremists about these issues for years. DLowan is a sweet lady and I appreciate her knowing to a degree where I am coming from. I've been called all the names you morons can come up with. When I first entered the forum communities, I fought for civil discourse, but found it impossible for the right wing to practice what they preach!

So now you've got me you sucker, I've learned from you boys!! I'm going to put it to you the same way you do to everyone else. I'm just more outspoken!! I put up with your **** for two years before I started striking back, now, you boys asked for it, you got it!!

You're right though Tico ... You're right there with MM as the Poster Boys of what's wrong with America. You are perfect examples. I'm sure there is a special hell waiting for you both someday!!

Anon

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edgarblythe wrote:

Anon has some fiery rhetoric, but, once you swish aside that which is swishable, you come to the heart of the matter. I agree with about 90% of his tirades.

I'm an a$$hole, what can I say ? Razz

Anon

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Ticomaya wrote:

Pointing out the words that he has used in the past, and asking for an explanation for them is not unreasonable

Once, no.

Twice, I dunno.

Four times... serves what point?

(Which reminds me, I owe Lash a PM)

Ticomaya wrote:

and the fact that dlowan thinks that "I" engage in "mobbing" (by myself? -- I'm left wondering) is incredible, when she has seen countless posters (usually those on the right, myself included) "mobbed" by multiple piling-on leftist posters (nimh included), with nary a complaint from the rabbit

Count me nonplussed that the only thing you got from dlowan's explanation about what she considered "mobbing" here was a question about how many people it takes (to mob). That doesnt even relate to the point she made.

Is "mobbing" any piling on of multiple opponents? In your case, any occasion that two or more leftists argued the same point against you? Or is the essence of mobbing in the kind of piling on thats done, regardless of the number of people involved?

I guess you can pull up dictionary definitions, but it was clear that dlowan's point here was about the latter thing. I note that you dont actually address her points about the suggested "mobbing" here at all - all you say is that, well, other people did something worse to you.

Anyway - if thats all you got from her post, I wouldnt do any better.

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roger wrote:

I don't; we still get along.

You bet we do!!

Anon

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Anon-Voter wrote:

It's mainly the chickenshits I have a problem with Tico! Ask Asherman if I have been treating him with venom ... Roger, Timber, CJSHA, Momma Angel, any number of conservative Posters that are 180 degrees out from what I am, yet I treat with respect and am friendly with. No Tico, it's the cowards who want to send troops where they are too chicken and too self centered to go that are my problems. It's the fact that you don't know ****, and continue to show it on a daily basis.

Really? I thought it was because I handed you your ass on a platter the first few times we argued about an issue, and then you mumbled something about having been warned not to argue with me, then proceeded from that point on to mindlessly repeat your "chicken hawk"/"chicken heart"/"chicken ****" nonsense in lieu of thoughtful responses.

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You cranked on Vietnamnurse without knowing who she was.

My remark to Vietnamnurse had nothing to do with "who she was." Your odd response that her post had some sort of credibility because she served as a nurse in Vietnam made no sense because she apparently misunderstood Asherman's post, and "cranked" on him for no valid reason. But that is consistent with your basic attitude that your opinion is entitled to deferential weight because you (and she) served in the military ... but as mysteryman points out, that attitude of yours does not spill over to those, like mysteryman, who served in the military but do not agree with you.

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Your nothing but a self centered despicable child who needs a good trip to the woodshed. Unfortunately, it appears that your parents spared the rod with you when they should have been leaving welts all over your ass!!

I'd like nothing better than to meet you at the woodshed, and we'd see if you can follow through with your big talk. I'm guessing not.

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Mobbing? I don't feel I'm being mobbed at all. Dlowan of course is referring to you, MM, and Asherman yakking all at once!

I know you don't feel like you're being "mobbed", and I realize you didn't ask for her defense. I've noticed -- and commented upon -- dlowan's hypocrisy in this arena before, so this is not new ground for her or me.

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I've been dealing with you right wing extremists about these issues for years. DLowan is a sweet lady and I appreciate her knowing to a degree where I am coming from. I've been called all the names you morons can come up with. When I first entered the forum communities, I fought for civil discourse, but found it impossible for the right wing to practice what they preach!

I find it difficult to believe you ever "fought for civil discourse." You have demonstrated time and again that you have no use for it.

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So now you've got me you sucker, I've learned from you boys!! I'm going to put it to you the same way you do to everyone else. I'm just more outspoken!! I put up with your **** for two years before I started striking back, now, you boys asked for it, you got it!!

I don't care to hear your excuses for your behavior. You are crude and ill-mannered, and show your narrow-mindedness with nearly every post you make. I don't care why you are the venom-spewing bitter old fart that you are ... that is who you are -- or at least that's the image you portray -- and while I usually ignore your nonsense, I was not in the mood to do so today. I probably will tomorrow.

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Ticomaya wrote:

Really? I thought it was because I handed you your ass on a platter the first few times we argued about an issue,

That's hilarious! You're full of **** as usual, and you can't stop lying, as usual. I believe you promised to ignore me, and have yet to keep your promise. I'm not surprised though, I would imagine you're not very good at keeping any promises, you haven't got the character for it!!

Maybe you can try again tomorrow, but I doubt that either! I've got your number you coward, and I'm gonna keep calling it ... day, after day, after day!

BTW, I save my thoughtful responses for those who have the capability of understanding them. That definitely leaves you out!!

Smile Baby! I'll be dialing you up again tomorrow !!

Anon

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By the way Tico, Thanks for making a fool out of yourself again, I knew you wouldn't let me down!!

G'Night Chickenheart!

Anon

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Anon-Voter wrote:

That's hilarious! You're full of **** as usual, and you can't stop lying, as usual. I believe you promised to ignore me, and have yet to keep your promise. I'm not surprised though, I would imagine you're not very good at keeping any promises, you haven't got the character for it!!

I never promised to ignore you ... I told you I would probably be ignoring you in the future, because you had started to just spew the ridiculous nonsense everyone has come to expect from you, and there for a while I was toying with you, but you quickly became a bore with your tiresome "fiery rhetoric." Any idiot can call someone else a name, and engage in personal attacks, as you demonstrate constantly. But I always reserve the right to call you on your bullshit at my discretion. Deal with it.

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Pursuing the China tangent here, I think China has the potential to be the true moderator in the Middle East in regard to the Israel/Palestine conflict that the US never could be. China doesn't have a stake in the conflict like the way the US does.

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