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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Sat 15 May, 2010 08:08 pm
@roger,
Just a thought on the quote from teenyboone that is being discussed, that she now claims not to have said, it strikes me that it oozes and overflows with liberal indoctrinated political correctness and hatred of traditional America. I can only guess where she obtained all of this indcoctrinated and uninformed hatred in her mind, but it strikes me as totally based upon a very weird liberal mindset, certainly not on anything close to reality. I have been told, and I have even gotten vibes that teeny is truly a nice person, so it saddens me that she can carry around these very twisted views of the world around her.
teenyboone
 
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Reply Sun 16 May, 2010 08:06 am
@okie,
....And WHAT IS traditional America? Pilgrims landing on foreign soil and TAKING the land away from the Natives? Is THAT traditional America?

Oh I beg your DAMNED pardon for the quotes, so just take them OUT of context! I didn't lie, why else any of you right-wingers are taking that tack? I don't remember any of you, being discriminated against, unless you are a person of color, a Jew or a native American you people called "savages" to justify the taking of this entire country! My ancestors were brought over in chains, were told we had no history and in return we were supposed to work for free in perpetuity.

Now the losers of election 2008, call thenselves "tea-baggers"! All because someone of color had the temerity to win. I feel sorry for all of you ignorant, ignoramouses.
teenyboone
 
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Reply Sun 16 May, 2010 08:07 am
@okie,
Oh yeah, a LIBERAL, I am! A liberated Black woman. How cool is that?
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 16 May, 2010 08:11 am
@teenyboone,
teenyboone wrote:

....And WHAT IS traditional America? Pilgrims landing on foreign soil and TAKING the land away from the Natives? Is THAT traditional America?

Oh I beg your DAMNED pardon for the quotes, so just take them OUT of context! I didn't lie, why else any of you right-wingers are taking that tack? I don't remember any of you, being discriminated against, unless you are a person of color, a Jew or a native American you people called "savages" to justify the taking of this entire country! My ancestors were brought over in chains, were told we had no history and in return we were supposed to work for free in perpetuity.

Now the losers of election 2008, call thenselves "tea-baggers"! All because someone of color had the temerity to win. I feel sorry for all of you ignorant, ignoramouses.


Well said! These guys on the right said nothing while Bush and Co. lied us into a horrible war, basically wiped out regulation and oversight (which largely ruined our economy), spit on the constitution, etc.
teenyboone
 
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Reply Sun 16 May, 2010 02:19 pm
@teenyboone,
For mysterman and others:
The Name of the Sender has been edited for privacy and intrusion
by Tea-Baggers in this Forum

CINCO DE REALITY
Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:15

Not sure I sent you this before.

It always mystified me how Napoleon could sell Louisiana when France did not own it.

We have been following the spill, baby, spill.

Just heard on NPR that the last attempt failed. The two robots bumped into one another.

Gil from Portugal

CINCO DE REALITY




http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/4068/2/

Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler

Wednesday, 05 May 2010


Today is May 5th - celebrated by American gringos as an excuse to drink cheap tequila margaritas and eat bad Mexican food by calling this day "Cinco de Mayo."

Nobody in Mexico cares about May 5th. Only we, us gringos, pretend to. For if you ask just about any reveler at the nearest Pancho Villa's Cantina or some such Mexican-themed bar anywhere in the US, just what is being celebrated today you'll get either a blank stare or "It's their July 4th " ignorance.

So first the real history. Then the reality - the horrific reality of how the fascists of the American Left are using Mexico to destroy their own country.

The founder and creator of Mexico was Hernando Cortez (1485-1587). The Aztec Empire he liberated in 1521 was about the size Kansas , some 80,000 square miles. Over the next 200 years, viceroys appointed by the King of Spain expanded the colony of Nueva España or New Spain by twenty times (through appropriating land from Indian tribes) to 1,650,000 square miles.

When the French lost the Seven Years' War, by the Treaty of Paris in 1763 they ceded their territory of Louisianne (named after Louis XIV) west of the Mississippi to England which awarded it to Spain for being England 's ally in the war. This added another 828,000 square miles to the Viceroyalty of New Spain.

When Napoleon seized power after the French Revolution, he wanted Louisianne back for France . So he made a secret deal in 1800 with the King Charles IV of Spain (actually with his wife Queen Maria Amelia and her lover Manuel de Godoy for Charles was retarded) to trade (a "retrocession") all of it for control of Tuscany in Italy . It was called the Treaty of Ildefonso.

President Thomas Jefferson's spies in Paris found out about the secret treaty in 1801, and that Napoleon needed some fast cash. He had lost his cash cow of Haiti and its sugar exports in a rebellion and might be open to a deal over Louisianne. The negotiations were concluded on May 2, 1803: 828,000 square miles for $15 million, or about three cents an acre. The Louisiana Purchase .

Charles IV abdicated his throne in 1808 in favor of his son Ferdinand VII, who was so pro-British/anti-French that Napoleon invaded Spain and replaced him with his older brother Joseph Bonaparte as King. The people of Spain rebelled, which left the Spanish government in chaotic breakdown - and which gave the people of New Spain cause to rebel against their colonial rulers in Europe .

By the time Ferdinand VII regained the throne in 1814, he needed money to suppress the rebellion in New Spain . His government had challenged the legality of the entire Louisiana Purchase, claiming France had no right to sell it and never owned it anyway, since the secret Ildefonso treaty was invalid. President James Monroe saw the opportunity.

By 1819 at Monroe 's instructions, US Secretary of State John Quincy Adams concluded a deal with Ferdinand's emissary Spanish Foreign Minister Luis de Onis called the Adams-Onis Treaty. The US paid Spain $5 million for the 70,000 square miles of Spanish Florida, and Spain recognized the validity of the Louisiana Purchase , thus settling the US-New Spain border.

Here's the map of the treaty (the area of the Louisiana Purchase is called the Missouri Territory):




Ferdinand could now suppress the New Spain rebellion - but the general in charge of the suppression who was infamous for his brutality, Augustin de Iturbide (1783-1824), decided to rule New Spain for himself. In 1821, he made a deal with the rebels, who put him in charge of their rebellion. Ferdinand capitulated, and on August 24, 1821, his emissary signed the Treaty of Cordoba recognizing the sovereign independence of New Spain .

You'd think that August 24, then, would be Mexico 's Independence Day, but it's not. It's September 16 instead, for in the wee hours of that day in 1810 a Catholic priest, Father Miguel Hidalgo called for his flock in the small town of Dolores in Guanajuato state to rebel against their Spanish rulers. His cry or grito of rebellion is what Mexicans celebrate as their July 4th.

Iturbide is an embarrassment to Mexicans, for once the independence treaty was signed he betrayed the rebels and declared himself Emperor Augustin I of New Spain, which he renamed Mexico . He promptly repudiated all treaties made by Spain - Adams-Onis in particular - except of course the one that put him in power.

Hardly a year passed when a general of Iturbide's army, Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna (1794-1876) overthrew him. Years of coups, counter-coups, and chaos followed, with a full dozen Mexican states in open rebellion against the central government in Mexico City : Coahuila , San Luis Potosí , Querétaro , Durango , Guanajuato, Michoacán, Yucatán, Jalisco, Nuevo León, Tamaulipas, Zacatecas, and Tejas.

Several of these states formed their own governments. All were brutally suppressed by Santa Anna. One succeeded in gaining independence - Tejas, which became in 1836 the Republic of Texas . Mexico demanded it back and warned the US if it annexed Texas , there would be war.

When James Polk (1795-1849) became president in March of 1845, he promptly moved to accept Texas into the Union , which was that December. In 1846, the Mexican government was such a chaotic mess that it had four presidents, six war ministers, and 16 finance ministers - in that one year. Nonetheless, it got what it said it wanted when 2,000 Mexican soldiers attacked 63 US soldiers on a border patrol at the Neuces River , killing 11, and the Mexican-American War was on.

By March of 1847, US forces had secured most of northern Mexico . Then General Winfield Scott landed 12,000 soldiers at Veracruz - among whom were Robert E. Lee, Ulysses S. Grant, and Thomas Jackson, later to be nicknamed "Stonewall."

After securing Veracruz , Scott marched to Mexico City to defeat the forces of Santa Anna - who had by now seized the Mexican presidency for the sixth time - at the Battle of Chapultepec on September 13, 1847. The war was over.

General Winfield Scott was military governor of Mexico City , the Mexican government existed in name only, and many a US Congressman and Senator was demanding the US annex the entire country of Mexico .

Polk turned this demand down. He declared instead that in exchange for the US to uphold Mexican independence and end the US military occupation, that Mexico was to relinquish any claim to the territory of Texas and the Louisiana Purchase, and that Mexico was to cede to the US its territory between the western border of the US (meaning Texas and the "Missouri Territory" of the Purchase) and the Pacific Ocean, an area of over 500,000 square miles.

On February 2, 1848 at the basilica of Guadalupe in the village of Hidalgo on the outskirts of Mexico City , the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo codified Polk's deal. Mexico promptly resumed fluctuating between dictators and anarchic bloody chaos.

In 1851, the nephew of Napoleon (the son of Napoleon's brother Louis), Louis Napoleon Bonaparte (1808-1873), seized power in France and declared himself Emperor Napoleon III. After a decade of imperialist adventures from Italy to Algeria to Indochina, he set his sights on Mexico . It was in its usual state of civil war - and by 1861, so was the United States .

Colluding with a group of Mexican monarchists who wanted the anarchy to end, he ordered the French Army to invade Mexico . After suffering an initial defeat at a place called Puebla , his forces and the monarchists succeeded in taking over the government and placing a Hapsburg prince, Ferdinand Maximilian of Austria (1832-1867) as Emperor of Mexico.

Why Maximilian of Austria ? Because he was Napoleon III's secret first cousin. Napoleon's son, Francois Joseph Bonaparte (1811-1832, given the courtesy title of Napoleon II when a child by his father) was exiled with his mother Marie-Louise to Austria after Waterloo (for she was the daughter of the Emperor of Austria, Francis II). At age 20, Francois had an affair with Princess Sophie of Bavaria (1805-1872), whose husband Archduke Franz Karl was retarded, and she became pregnant.

Two weeks after she gave birth to Maximilian, Francois/Napoleon II died, and Sophie accused Austria 's Minister of State, Prince von Metternich (1773-1859) of poisoning him to squelch the scandal of Maximilian's real paternity. Years later, Sophie became deranged with bitterness over Maximilian's fate.

Once America 's Civil War ended, President Andrew Johnson wasted no time in telling the French he wanted them out of Mexico . He sent arms and money to the leader of the Mexican rebellion against Maximilian, Benito Juarez, and encouraged Americans to volunteer to fight for him. This enabled Juarez to defeat Maximilian's forces, and capture and execute Maximilian himself in June, 1867.

Thus Mexico 's independence, from 1867 onward, is thanks to America . Don't expect any gratitude. Oh, and that initial defeat of the French at Puebla that didn't even slow down the French in conquering Mexico ? It was on May 5th, 1862. Yep, that's the vaunted "Cinco de Mayo." It's just an excuse for a party in Gringoland.

Now you know the history, but you may not know the depth of hatred and bitterness many Mexicans feel over it. Our history is one of freedom, democracy, political stability (except for that War of Northern Aggression thing), incredible prosperity, the greatest success story of any nation ever. Their history is one of bloody anarchy, dictatorship, endless corruption, and grinding poverty.

And because they haven't got the balls to take responsibility for the failure of their history, they blame it on us. It's all our fault. We stole their land, or some other childish excuse.

Not all Mexicans feel this way, of course. There are plenty of normal decent people in Mexico who bear no grudges. But virtually the entire intelligentsia and ruling elite of Mexico feel this way. And thanks to the evil synergy of the American Left's fascist will to power and it's masochistic fear of the evil eye of envy, Mexican hate and envy is indulged and encouraged.

There's the clearest demonstration of how Mexico's ruling elite encourages envious hatred towards America in the entrance foyer of the Museo Nacional de Historia, the Museum of National History in Mexico City, where there is an enormous mosaic map depicting Mexico Integral - Greater Mexico, Mexico Integrated and Whole.

Every class of students on a field trip from their school to the museum is made to sit down and gaze up at the huge map, while the teacher explains how so much of Los Estados Unidos was stolen from Mexico and really belongs to them.

In fact, the teacher explains, what the Norteamericanos call the Louisiana Purchase was illegal - stolen by France, then illegally sold by France. So it, too, should belong to Mexico.

Everywhere in Mexico, every Mexican schoolchild is taught that just as all the treaties signed by Spain ceding territory to the US are illegal, so is the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. Every Mexican national legally or illegally in the US is told by the Mexican government his or her allegiance is to Mexico - not America.

Thus we have the rise of the Reconquista movement by such rabidly racist groups as Aztlan, La Raza, and MEChA. Thus we have 20 million illegal aliens in the US from Mexico, waving signs like this:



The hysterically dishonest depiction of Arizona's new anti-illegals law by Democrats, moonbats, the so-called "mainstream media," and RINO politicians like Gov. Arnold could not be a more explicit expression of their masochistic desire to see their own country destroyed.

So I might as well be explicit myself. From now on, I will look upon those Americans who are more pro-Mexico than they are pro-America, who claim illegal aliens in America have more rights than Americans themselves, as my countrymen no longer but as traitors to my country.

I do not wish them executed for treason, or imprisoned, or harmed in any way. I suggest merely that if they hate their country so much, they should leave and go live in Mexico.

One of the earliest articles in TTP was on the mortal danger of Mexico to the US: America's Curse (July 2003).

That was followed by Mexico As Takfiristan (April 2004), Mexican Nazis (May 2005), and The Second Civil War (March 2006). I really encourage you to read the entire series.

The situation is now reaching a crisis stage, with the Democrat Party in full power in Washington and having become a party of treason. I am coming to believe that our nation's actual existence is at stake in the elections of November 2nd.

Sorry to sober you up on this Cinco de Mayo, but that's Cinco de Reality.


Bill Kalmus



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teenyboone
 
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Reply Sun 16 May, 2010 02:40 pm
@Advocate,
A retired Army Veteran living in Portugal sends news from retirees living there. Through the miracle of cable, he is watching the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, which is about to obliterate the sea food industry in Louisiana and as far as South Carolina. Louisiana is a "poor" state that doesn't benefit from the abundant natural gas and oil it exports throughout the United States.

The Federal Government controls it, so when Katrina hit parts of Louisiana,
Mississippi and Alabama, taking the brunt of the storm, Bush & Co., thought they could just TAKE the land from what HE thought were "ghetto" people, anyway. What they DIDN'T know was the property was private, owned or inherited from their relatives. What Bush didn't know was the property laws
in Louisiana, won't permit the government to "seize" anything without just compensation, too!

If you talk to residents, they will TELL you that the levees were blown up!
It's happened before back in 1927! One thing about New Orleans people, they don't trust anyone in Washington! All Bush thought was, that New Orleans being predominantly Black, was a pushover. WRONG! Black; yes!
Stupid? I don't think so. Perfectly good, sound, public housing has been
bulldozed to the ground, to make sure some Blacks never make it back, having been given one-way tickets out of town.

Many I speak to don't want to return, having found jobs and housing, better than they had. I met a Mardi Gras Vendor, while watching a parade, who told me, he only comes back to New Orleans to sell souvenirs to "out-of-towners".
He gave me a Saints Flag, when he realized I was a native! Stuff Made in where? China! Where else? He was also, Black like me! As we say, "Good looking out"! I know many Blacks married to whites, men and women.

I have no idea what Bush thought about N.O. or how the races have "melded" together. It's just in this Forum, where racism abounds! I am with Whites EVERY day and they are NOT like the ones reporting to BE white, here. Some of the people posting here are really sad. Thank you for your support. I appreciate it.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sun 16 May, 2010 05:37 pm
@teenyboone,
You are very welcome. You are a sincere, intelligent, person, and I appreciate your posts.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2010 05:41 am
@teenyboone,
Thats all well and good, but you still havent admitted that you DID write the post I quoted you from, and you still havent answered the questions that were asked about that post.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 17 May, 2010 08:23 am
@teenyboone,
teenyboone wrote:

....And WHAT IS traditional America? Pilgrims landing on foreign soil and TAKING the land away from the Natives? Is THAT traditional America?

There you go again with your pent up hatred and liberal cess pool indoctrination.

Quote:
Oh I beg your DAMNED pardon for the quotes, so just take them OUT of context! I didn't lie, why else any of you right-wingers are taking that tack? I don't remember any of you, being discriminated against, unless you are a person of color, a Jew or a native American you people called "savages" to justify the taking of this entire country! My ancestors were brought over in chains, were told we had no history and in return we were supposed to work for free in perpetuity.

Until a Republican changed it about 150 years ago. And blacks are still being enslaved by blacks on the continent of Africa, teeny.

Quote:
Now the losers of election 2008, call thenselves "tea-baggers"! All because someone of color had the temerity to win. I feel sorry for all of you ignorant, ignoramouses.
Totally wrong again, blinded by your own racism. The Republicans have many black people running, and we have a black chairman of our party, but we sure as heck do not have socialists running, nor will we ever vote for a socialist or Marxist sympathizer and cheap corrupt community organizer and agitator that despises his own country. No wonder you love Obama, perhaps he despises America as much as you do? I have no clue why you don't go somewhere else that you would like better?

Shown below is just but one example of a black straying off the liberal plantation and running against a liberal Democrat. Dare to consider doing the same, teeny. It takes courage, but courage is liberating.
http://images.politico.com/global/news/100412_lollar_ap_218.jpg
cpftaowp
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 02:09 pm
@Foxfyre,
cpftaowp.webs.com should solve your problem
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cpftaowp
 
  1  
Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 02:09 pm
cpftaowp.webs.com should solve your problem so check it out.
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 02:59 pm
@okie,
No Republican ever did what Lyndon Baines Johnson, did; actually "freeing"
Blacks, White Women, Asians, Hispanics and others. You won't see many schools, airports, streets or parks named after him, because of it. Lincoln issued a "worthless" piece of paper, since "Jim Crow" took care of that and a "lifeless" Washington, under Andrew Johnson, let whites again re-enslave
Africans in America for 250 MORE years.

Liberal? You betcha! Since you "entitled" people are finally getting your
"comeuppance"! Yep, you ARE a bunch of crybaby "teapartyers"! You
"never-servers" that wave a flag every chance you get, but won't strap on a
uniform to defend this "freedom"!
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teenyboone
 
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Reply Tue 15 Jun, 2010 03:02 pm
@okie,
LOOK up Racism and Racist, BEFORE you pin that "label" on me!
He looks like an "oreo-cookie" to me! Some Blacks, loathe the fact that they weren't born "white"! He must be Clarence Thomases nephew or something!
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 04:25 am
@teenyboone,
Quote:
He looks like an "oreo-cookie" to me! Some Blacks, loathe the fact that they weren't born "white"! He must be Clarence Thomases nephew or something!


And you claim to not be racist!!!
That is a racist statement you just wrote, but I dont think you will ever admit it.
teenyboone
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 08:31 am
@mysteryman,
READ before you accuse and KNOW what the definition of "racist" REALLY
means!

Definition for racist

*
1 - based on racism: based on prejudices and stereotypes related to race
*
2 - prejudiced against other races: prejudiced against all people who belong to other races
*
3 - racist person: somebody who hates others who are not of his or her own race

Encarta World English Dictionary

Now, re-read definition #3. Calling someone an "oreo" is an OLD BLACK
definition of another "Black" person, not white, red or yellow. I don't HATE
Clarence Thomas; I pity his sorry, black A$$!

Before you accuse anyone of anything, you should read up on it, first!
mysteryman
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 03:05 pm
@teenyboone,
So its ok to use racist terms as long as they are directed at members of your own race?
Advocate
 
  1  
Reply Wed 16 Jun, 2010 03:32 pm
This is about the Muslim takeover of England. Is the USA next?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h2XBZz88VE&feature=player_embedded
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teenyboone
 
  1  
Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 07:06 am
@mysteryman,
Call it what YOU want! You're WRONG, as usual.
What is it with you? You agree with the Big Business
politicians that are IN the pockets of the monied class
but you won't give the little guy a break. You CLAIM
to have served this country during the most hated war
in this country, Viet Nam, but I'll bet you can't SPELL
the word, Patriot! I'll bet you blame President Obama
for the BP oil spill, too!

You're a bigot of the highest order and you label ME a
racist? Black, Female and Catholic! That's ME! I don't
have a racist bone in my Black body! I pray for people
like you!
maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 08:12 am
@teenyboone,
Teeny, I think most honest people on this board would indeed think you to be a racist, not against blacks of course, but against whites. From what I can see, you label, group, stereotype, spit venom, make wild accusations against white people in the majority of posts you type.

I'm not happy that centuries before I was even born my European ancestors brought slaves over from Africa. I think that really sucks. But I sure as **** am not going to be sorry about it. I never did it. I never owned a slave. I have never discriminated against a black person. When I see injustice being committed against black people (or white people, or Asian people, etc), I'll step in and do what I can to stop it.

I asked you a while back if you would have preferred if slavery never happened. If black African slave owners never sold their slaves to black and white European/American slave owners. You never answered that question. I'm still curious if you had the power to change it, if you'd make it so that the African slave trade never happened.
okie
 
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Reply Thu 17 Jun, 2010 10:50 am
@maporsche,
Good post, maporsche. I've had it too with all of this political correctness crap that people are supposed to be guilty of the sins of all of their ancestors. I think its time people let go of the past and live in the present.
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