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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
okie
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 12:27 am
@genoves,
Unemployment will continue to climb, but to what I'm not sure. Are there additional ways for Obama to cook the books of unemployment figures? I am sure he is investigating that as we speak.
genoves
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jun, 2009 01:37 am
@okie,
Okie- I think that the excellent chart you gave the other day is evidence that it will climb above 10% soon( look for that nunber in the first week of July).

It seems to me that, unless the long arm of Obama is able to effect many covert changes, the BLS, which, I feel has been free of political taint and, especially,the findings of the Congressional Budget Office, which has never been shy about telling the truth about the economy, no matter who was in office, will give us correct answers.

You know, of course, that state organizations are also able to ascertain the Unemployment Rates in their respective states.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2009 09:40 am
Teddy Roosevelt had it right.


Theodore Roosevelt's ideas on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN in 1907.
'In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.'
Theodore Roosevelt 1907

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2009 11:21 am
@Advocate,
Advocate, Trying to apply the statement of anyone from an entirely different period in our country's life can have a grain of truth in it, but all one needs to do is look at what transpired since he spoke those words.

The America of today has immigrants from most countries around the world, and not all end up learning English as their primary language even after they swear allegiance to the US. Some cultures continue speaking their native tongue - especially with their children and friends, and many work in businesses that serve their community at-large.

Here in Silicon Valley, there are many from foreign countries, and we have whole strip malls that cater to their culture in addition to the integrated ones.

Many fly the flag of their native country, and many remain proud of their backgrounds. I see nothing wrong with that.
Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2009 12:37 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I think it is great that people from all over the world come to the USA. The terrible problem is that many millions come in illegally, jumping ahead of those playing by the rules and waiting in line, and of course ignoring the limit we have relative to immigrants. They don't take the examination, do not get physicals, and take jobs from citizens (or drive wages down). Illegals should be expelled. Amnesty just encourages untold millions more to sneak into the country.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2009 12:39 pm
@Advocate,
Agree; but until our government gets serious about controlling illegal immigration, those of us left as "legal citizens" do not have the power nor means to do anything.
High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2009 03:30 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
....Many fly the flag of their native country....


The law permits any foreign flag to be flown as long as a same-sized American flag is flown alongside it.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2009 03:38 pm
@High Seas,
I've seen the flag of Mexico flown on its very own quite often.
High Seas
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2009 03:41 pm
@cicerone imposter,
So has everyone else - but it's illegal all the same. Typical of their attitude, though - as tirelessly displayed here by Brown-Munoz and his cohorts - you break one law being illegally here, why not break all of them!
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2009 03:53 pm
@High Seas,
Illegal to fly a foreign flag without an American flag alongside? I never heard that. Try googling in, for example, Embassy of Croatia Washington DC Photo.
I don't recall how to move it here.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2009 04:10 pm
@realjohnboy,
Actually, all embassies all over the world fly their own flag.
realjohnboy
 
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Reply Sat 11 Jul, 2009 04:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
But where is the American flag that is supposed to be adjacent? Actually, this myth about it being illegal to fly a foreign flag unless there is an American flag may stem from 11/2006 when Pahrump NV passed a city ordinance to that effect.
The Croatian Embassy has a pretty cool statue in front of it. St Jerome, I think. I could be wrong.
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okie
 
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Reply Mon 13 Jul, 2009 09:29 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Agree; but until our government gets serious about controlling illegal immigration, those of us left as "legal citizens" do not have the power nor means to do anything.

You consistently vote for the politicians that are not serious about controlling illegal immigration, so what do you expect? Wake up.
ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 01:23 am
@okie,
Okie has a point.

(The funny part is that Advocate voted for Obama.)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 08:28 am
Illegal immigration in Germany:

Slavery awaits some migrants in Germany
Quote:
Chic folk in Berlin loved the little Ethiopian restaurant, but none knew about the horrifying treatment that turned the cook there into a modern slave. Out front, diners and restaurant reviewers smacked their lips at the authentic Ethiopian cuisine.

Out back, Lakech Denise's working days began at 7 am and finished when the last guest left, often at 1 am. She was also required to work as a house servant for the restaurant owner.

The 45-year-old mother of three was paid 500 euros: not per week, nor per month, just once for the 18 months she worked. Until she went to German
police to report her boss.

A German human rights group quoted her case Tuesday as it campaigned to end this modern form of slavery, which functions because people like Lakech Denise (not her real name) fear expulsion as illegal immigrants.

A court handed her restaurateur boss a six-month suspended prison sentence for labour trafficking. Lakech Denise obtained part of her missing pay, and was given a temporary permit to remain in Berlin.

People working in Germany under duress are employed in the catering trade, as house servants, on building sites and farms, but above all in brothels, where pimps and gangs use violence to prevent any revolt.

The International Labour Organization (ILO) estimates 15,000 people enter Germany annually to work on such terms.

Others have estimated that forced prostitution alone employs anywhere from 10,000 to 30,000 women, mostly imported from eastern Europe. There was a flurry of attention during the football World Cup in 2006.

But no one knows for sure, as most cases are never uncovered. Federal police statistics show 454 successful inquiries last year into forced prostitution and 92 into other forms of forced labour.

The police note, "We assume that victims are generally unwilling to report such crimes."

The campaigners of the German Human Rights Institute are putting out an alert in conjunction with the Berlin foundation that compensates Nazi-era slave-labour victims. The foundation is tasked with ensuring Nazi crimes do not repeat. The campaign is also funded by a federal grant.

Theoretically, victims can sue an exploiter for damages and claim grants from public funds for crime victims.

But practically nobody does, because they are technically illegal immigrants, whose only reward will be to be sent home to a life of poverty. Most hope instead to somehow escape bondage, stay in Germany and obtain a regular job.

Petra Follmar-Otto of the Human Rights Institute said, "If a case comes to trial, the German courts perceive them as little more than witnesses. They are given temporary immigration permits for the duration of the case.
"When it is over, they have to leave Germany."

The rights campaigners are paying lawyers' fees in effort to establishing court precedents for migrants to be rewarded with permanent-residence permits as an incentive to blow the whistle.

Lakech Denise will not benefit, unfortunately. Her temporary permit expires soon and she must return to Ethiopia.



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rabel22
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 01:29 pm
It would be interesting to find out how many good upstanding american citizens are involved in this kind of slavery.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 01:36 pm
@okie,
okie, I do not continue to "vote for" candidates based on how they might vote on the immigration issue. You are making things up as you post your nonsensical opinion about how we vote or don't vote on one issue.

You're an idiot!
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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 01:48 pm
@okie,
It seems that CI has no interest in the USA controlling illegal immigration. Indeed, he is like O'Moron who thinks this country has the capacity to comfortably take in a couple billion new immigrants. He doesn't seem to realize that, should we give another amnesty, this will certainly attract untold millions of new illegals.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Jul, 2009 02:09 pm
@Advocate,
Advocate, You're doing the same thing okie does; making assumptions about my politics that was created in your own brain, and not from any of my posts/opinions on a2k.

You are making it a bad habit in attributing statements to me that I never said. Prove me wrong? Otherwise, you're just another liar and extremist with no ethics or common sense.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Wed 13 Jan, 2010 10:40 am

IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.
IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.
IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.
IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.
IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE WILL BE SEALED.
IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO ROT.
IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

A JOB,
A DRIVERS LICENSE,
SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
WELFARE,
FOOD STAMPS,
CREDIT CARDS,
SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
FREE EDUCATION,
FREE HEALTH CARE,
A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU DON'T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE.

Could it be that those other countries have it right? I think so.
 

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