What should be done about illegal immigration?

I'm definitely a racist, I hate W.O.P.S and the Irish equally.

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W.O.P.S. didn't that mean illegal immigrants?

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Yep it sure did. They also didn't complain about not having rights until AFTER they became citizens. AND they also learned how to speak English as soon as they could and didn't expect the country to learn Italian.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

CalamityJane wrote:
ralpheb wrote:
ergo no documentation=illegal therfore no rights. I am not politically correct I call them as they are ILLEGAL. not supposed to be here NO RIGHTS.

Right, schmight, once these people are living in the US, they become
our responsibility, thus we have to see that a) their children (mostly born
in the US) get an adequate education, b) they're provided with healthcare
and c) that we treat them in a decent manner.

Some of these "illegal aliens" have kids who have died fighting for the freedoms ralpheb enjoys and wants to deny to others.

When you start talking to Ralph, you need to know that you are talking to someone else that is serving his country, as we speak!

Anon

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ralpheb wrote:

Its been my experience that the people who yell racism the most are often the biggest racists. why is that?

Because you are delusional, perhaps?

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ralpheb wrote:

Yep it sure did. They also didn't complain about not having rights until AFTER they became citizens. AND they also learned how to speak English as soon as they could and didn't expect the country to learn Italian.

ja ja ja ja ja ja, gringo necio, ellos no les gustan a hablar inglés a usted. Ya saben que usted es un racista.

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Since we're on the topic of racist slander, allow me to interject my favorite quote from Joseph Heller's book, Catch-22:

Quote:

Racial prejudice is a terrible thing, Yossarian. It really is. It's a terrible thing to treat a decent, loyal Indian like a nigger, kike, wop, or spic."

Political correctness is a laughable waste of time.

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Francisco D'Anconia wrote:

Since we're on the topic of racist slander, allow me to interject my favorite quote from Joseph Heller's book, Catch-22:

Quote:
Racial prejudice is a terrible thing, Yossarian. It really is. It's a terrible thing to treat a decent, loyal Indian like a nigger, kike, wop, or spic."

Political correctness is a laughable waste of time.

Well while I don't appreciate anyone who denigrates another via racial slurs or invalid racial accusations, I whole heartedly agree that political correctness is usually just another form of narrow minded bigotry and, yes, sometimes a waste of time.

(A favorite line from the Bad News Bears was via Tanner who yelled that the ball team was made up of niggers, chinks, jews, spics and a GIRL! And despite his decidedly passionate politically incorrect observation, he was nevertheless unbothered by his teammates, loved them all, and was definitely a team player. It would be pretty hard to hang a racist label on him.)

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oh dys, when wops were called wops, it wasn't because they were in the country illegally, it was because they came to the US without papers. They received all the documentation to entire the US legally. Even before Ellis Island became the main gate way.

Roxxanne. You prove again how much of a racist you really are.

Anon, we don't see eye to eye on a lot of things, but I do thank you for your support.

keep an eye on my countdown:)

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Roxxxanne wrote:

ralpheb wrote:
Its been my experience that the people who yell racism the most are often the biggest racists. why is that?

Because you are delusional, perhaps?

Weren't the same one that said something the effect that most homophobes were proabably closet homosexuals?

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What have homosexuals to do with Immigration?

Please let's get back on topic.

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CalamityJane wrote:

What have homosexuals to do with Immigration?

Please let's get back on topic.

Not to mention it has nothing to do with racism. McG shows his massive IQ at wotk again Smile

Anon

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> > > >>
> > > >> Dear President Bush:
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family,
and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the
border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I
know you can help with this.
> I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration
quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here.
So would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm on my
way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:
> 1. Free medical care for my entire family.
> 2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need,
whether I use them or not.
> 3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
> 4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
> 5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
> 6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag
pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
> 7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
> 8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access
to government services.
> 9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to
learn local traffic laws.
> 10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from
Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak
English.
> 11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my
car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any
complaints or negative comments from the locals.
> 12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and
don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
> 13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and
never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the
economy.
>
> I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for
all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Pres.Fox
won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.
> However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail hunting
with your V.P.
>
> Thank you so much for your kind help.
> Sincerely,
> David M. Bresnahan

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Asherman wrote:

My wife, Natalie, is one of those who gets semi-hysterical in favor of making English the Official and sole language of the nation. Wrong. English is the primary language used in international affairs, and it is essential to long-term survival in the United States. However an immigrant arrives their opportunities are very limited ... until they learn our language. People come to this wonderful country to escape what they regard as intolerable conditions in their homeland, and/or in search of opportunity to improve life for themselves and their children. The escapees never willingly return home so long as conditions are unchanged, and in some cases that might be generations. Those who come in search of a better life don't require a language law, they already are painfully aware of the need. Most first, and even second generation immigrants have difficulty with English which is a crazy language. Some never master it, but their children may graduate from Harvard. Immigrants should be welcomed here and helped to join our allegiance to the Constitution. Not many grow into America haters who will find any excuse to side against their adopted home.

Failing to learn the national tongue of any given place should provide its own penalty in terms of limited social and economic opportunities to such a degree that immigrants are incented to learn the language.

Unfortunately, our good friends the Liberals with their big hearts have decided this is too cruel a process, and that we should do all that we can to make the transition for our guests (welcome or not) so much easier: Spanish language elementary classes, bi-lingual signs in public places et al. As usual their largess hurts as much, if not more than it helps. Learning English, for immigrants, is a key to making the most of the opportunities America has to offer. One can get by speaking Spanish if one is content with laying sod or washing dishes, but if one wants a decent job, one must learn English. Nothing stimulates learning like need. The greater the need the greater the commitment to learn. Slightly mitigating the need is not doing anyone any favor. But then, "Who are we to demand that people coming to our country speak English?!" Besides the people who already live here and are allowing them to stay? Well, we're the people with whom they have to interact if they hope to live the American Dream. It may be the Mexican Dream to live in a Mexican ghetto in America, but that ain't the American Dream.

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au1929 wrote:

Asherman.
People carry Social security cards, drivers license and etc. Why is that so different from a national identification card? A pictured social security card would serve the purpose.
In NY people who do not have drivers license can obtain a non-drivers license from the motor vehicle agency which is valid identification if you fly on commercial aircraft. There are all sorts of documents that people carry that could be used as a national identity card.

The notion that we have any real privacy in regards to our identities (not to mention so much more) is quaint.

Given that we all now represent electronic identities, the bits and bytes of which are available to more people than we can imagine, why not get some benefit from it? Let's use National ID Cards. They can make us safer and remove some of the annoyances of our daily lives.

For those who fear them, all I can say is that if and when a real tyrant occupies the White House or the Chinese invade and conquer, they won't need an official national identity database to find each and every one of us. They'll have access to DMV Records, Social Security Records, Credit Records, Internet Provider Records, Amazon.Com Records etc etc etc.

Come to think of it, when the Chinese invade, we'll probably need all of the illegal immigrants who are electronic nulls to mount the resistance.

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Roxxxanne wrote:

It's simple economics, Einstein. Why don't you respond to the posts for a change rather than just spewing your constant repetitive drivel.

So you have the time to goof off at work responding to multiple threads but you don't have time to goof off and read the Bernstein piece.

Actually, you almost never respond to the content of posts. Virtually all of your responses to people are either irrelevant wisecracks or attacks on the poster. I would love to hear you try to deny the fact that every country has a perfect right to limit and regulate immigration.

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McGentrix wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:
ralpheb wrote:
Its been my experience that the people who yell racism the most are often the biggest racists. why is that?

Because you are delusional, perhaps?

Weren't the same one that said something the effect that most homophobes were proabably closet homosexuals?[sic]

A lot of people may have said that since it is a fact.

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When I put the poll together for this thread, I didn't think about including the option of a wall. According to Rasmussen (see below) that is apparently an attractive option for a lot of Americans. Because of the logistical problems of monitoring that much territory, however, some think it would be an expensive exercise in futility and prefer policies making it unattractive for illegals to come here in the first place.

Immigration Views by State
April 21, 2006--As the immigration debate heats up, Rasmussen Reports went to the archives and reviewed state-by-state data on a couple of key questions (review State-by-State data).

During January of this year, we asked voters in 27 states whether they favored or opposed building a barrier along the Mexican border. In 25 of the 27 states, a majority of voters favored a barrier (the only exceptions were Vermont with 44% in favor of a barrier and Massachusetts with 49% support). In a dozen states, the number in favor of a barrier topped 60%.

Our last national survey on this topic found 60% support for building a border barrier.

While there was great similarity between the states on the question of building a barrier, the opposite was true when we asked about the importance of the issue. In 32 states, we asked which was the more important voting issue--immigration or the situation in Iraq.

The percentage naming immigration more important ranged from a low of 14% in Minnesota to a high of 45% in Arizona. Keep in mind that these results were obtained in January, before the recent increase in attention focused on the topic.

The early phases of the debate on immigration appear to have helped the GOP, the party that seemed more concerned about enforcement issues and border control. A separate survey found that, in a hypothetical race for Congress, a plurality of Americans would vote for the candidate who favors more enforcement on the immigration issue. The preference was especially dramatic among those who consider the immigration issue very important.

Review State-by-State data.
SOURCE

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They interviewed 500 people in each state. Not enough
to make a decent statistic.

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I know that 17 million people were offically pro the "anti-fascist protection rampart"

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