What should be done about illegal immigration?

CalamityJane wrote:

They interviewed 500 people in each state. Not enough
to make a decent statistic.

It depends on how the polling was done and how random. Rasmussen has a pretty good track record on that score and is generally near or at the top of polling groups when the actual results are compared to the polls. But few polls I think produce really decent statistics re the mood of the country on any narrow issue for more than a short period.

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Foxfyre wrote:

CalamityJane wrote:
They interviewed 500 people in each state. Not enough
to make a decent statistic.

It depends on how the polling was done and how random. Rasmussen has a pretty good track record on that score and is generally near or at the top of polling groups when the actual results are compared to the polls. But few polls I think produce really decent statistics re the mood of the country on any narrow issue for more than a short period.

Just out of curiosity, is there somethig wrong with A2K? The quote function seems to be on the fritz. or is my PC?

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a2k

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roger wrote:

a2k

Shades of Abuzz! Is anyone working on it?

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As an aside:

I wonder, if the visa chaos is a tpoic as well

For instance (just two cases, wich made the headlines in British papers recently) the Hallé Orchestra had to pull out of an American tour when they worked out it would cost £45,000 to get down to London and secure their visas. And the Britsih student Mohammed Umar Haalem Khan, who wants to attend Camp America Project in Pennsylvania not only had to spend an additional fee (£ 50 on top of the normal £ 63) but is waiting now for 8 weeks to get his visa - his name "is similar to those from bad people".

The US administration can't get a grip on the visa situation and come up with a more sensible system.

But I better don't critizise this since in 10 days I want to pass the checkpoints as well ...

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Maybe Mexico would take our prisoners and everyone sick over 50 as a trade?

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Our Mexican friends here should correct this information if it is wrong:

Over the lunch hour today, Paul Harvey's substitute was reporting on the treatment of illegals coming across Mexico's southern border. If caught, these people are sometimes robbed, beaten, and/or killed. At best they are imprisoned two years before they are deported.

So whether or not you approve of the methods, Mexico is definitely serious about protecting its borders. Nobody is welcome uninvited. Nevertheless, you get the distinct impression that Vicente Fox doesn't want ANY of his departed countrymen to come home either, much less those in American prisons.

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Over the lunch hour today, Paul Harvey's substitute was reporting on the treatment of illegals coming across Mexico's southern border. If caught, these people are sometimes robbed, beaten, and/or killed. At best they are imprisoned two years before they are deported.

They get robbed and sometimes beaten by border bandits, also "coyotes" called, but not by authorities. Neither are they thrown in prison, as
the US prisons are bursting with our own criminals, no need to invite those
poor people whose only crime is to cross the border to better their lives.

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There are quite a few 'illegals' in jail or in prison at least in the border states. They weren't arrested for being illegal but for breaking the law in other ways. I think you missed my point though Jane. We treat our invited visitors royally compared to the way many other countries treat theirs. And people are willing to risk a lot to get here while we do not seem to have a large number of Americans seeking to escape to greener pastures someplace else.

I was just curious whether the news report today was accurate.

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A cousin of mine recently travelled to South America (no Visas needed in most countries) and, at the end of his odissey, he had to take a bus from Managua to Tapachula, Mexico.

He explained to me that the military personel is uneducated and prepotent. They seem to display "racism" (I should avoid that fiery word) towards centroamericans. Definite similarities between the way we treat others as the US treat us, sometimes anyways. I have met polite border officials before.

About extreme violence as you say FF, I honestly don't know. Will investigate.

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el_pohl wrote:

A cousin of mine recently travelled to South America (no Visas needed in most countries) and, at the end of his odissey, he had to take a bus from Managua to Tapachula, Mexico.

He explained to me that the military personel is uneducated and prepotent. They seem to display "racism" (I should avoid that fiery word) towards centroamericans. Definite similarities between the way we treat others as the US treat us, sometimes anyways. I have met polite border officials before.

About extreme violence as you say FF, I honestly don't know. Will investigate.

Thanks el_Pohl. In several trips to Mexico, I have never been treated with anything other than helpfulness and courtesy along with heroic tolerance for my terrible Spanish. Your cab drivers tend to be terrifying, but they are all also great fun. But then I have always traveled as a tourist too. I hope to be there again later this year if the hurricanes stay at bay.

As I have never been asked to show ID in Mexico, other than at border checkpoints of course, I wonder how the illegals are identified and caught there?

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CalamityJane wrote:

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Over the lunch hour today, Paul Harvey's substitute was reporting on the treatment of illegals coming across Mexico's southern border. If caught, these people are sometimes robbed, beaten, and/or killed. At best they are imprisoned two years before they are deported.

They get robbed and sometimes beaten by border bandits, also "coyotes" called, but not by authorities. Neither are they thrown in prison, as
the US prisons are bursting with our own criminals, no need to invite those
poor people whose only crime is to cross the border to better their lives.

And so...?

Walk on the Wild (illegal) Side and your ride may be quite wild.

This is choice in action.

Break the law and you should have no real expectation that the law will protect you.

We might all argue that this is the ultimate expression of a nation governed, purely, by the rule of law, but we should admit that there is no pure application of the rule of law, and what makes sense on a relatively simplistic level will always trump that which makes sense on an esoteric level.

Allow someone who believes in this nonsense to govern us, and we will, ultimately, be disappointed and, inevitably, be in big trouble.

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May 1, 2006 will be "nothing gringo day" in Mexico and the United States.
It will be interesting to see how much impact this day has on our
economy. My guess is, that the service industry will struggle beyond belief,
and especially in agricultural regions.

Nothing will change in redneck counties, granted, but the rest of
us will feel a tremendous impact, and hopefully will change the minds of
many Americans who have doubted thus far.

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For some, the boycott is fueled not just by debate on the immigration bill, but by long-standing resentment over the perceived mistreatment of Mexicans in the United States.

"We want to show the power we have as Mexicans," said Carlos Chavez y Pacho, vice president of the chamber of commerce in Piedras Negras, across from Eagle Pass, Texas. Chavez y Pacho is also urging Mexicans not to shop in U.S. border cities on May 1, in part to protest what he calls arrogant behavior by U.S. customs officials and border officers.

Rafael Ruiz Harrell, who writes a column in the Mexico City newspaper Metro, predicted the boycott could give rise to a broader, pan-Latino movement.

"If we could get all of Latin America, for one day, to leave the U.S. firms without customers, we would be sending the kind of clear message they seem incapable of understanding," he wrote.

Source: CNN

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CalamityJane wrote:

May 1, 2006 will be "nothing gringo day" in Mexico and the United States.
It will be interesting to see how much impact this day has on our
economy. My guess is, that the service industry will struggle beyond belief,
and especially in agricultural regions.

They held a "day without latinos" demonstration here in Milwaukee. It's goal, also, was to send some sort of message about how important latinos are to the economy. Most of the business hurt were Latino owned and they were hurt because their staff walked out on them with no warning and no one to cover their shifts. After they replaced all of their shifts with people who didn't walk out on their jobs, they claimed it was unfair for them to be fired for walking out. Most of Milwaukee didn't notice. To think that one group of people are what drives this economy is ridiculous.

I still don't understand this push to let unchecked unknown people across our borders any time they want as opposed to using the legal channels and knowing who is entering our country.

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jp, it probably will look different here in southern California, where just
about every restaurant employs Mexicans (both documented and undocumented) in the kitchens, every hotel uses them as maids, carrying luggage and what not. El Centro is practically non existent without them, dto. for farming in northern California. Alone the Los Angeles airport will
have a mild crisis when no bagage is transported and no toilet is cleaned.

Who is going to pick up your trash? Surely not your fellow American.

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CalamityJane wrote:

Who is going to pick up your trash? Surely not your fellow American.

They already do.

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Americans pick up my garbage as well.

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Ditto.

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Not in Ahnold's state!

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CalamityJane wrote:

Not in Ahnold's state!

Perhaps that is because your "undocumented aliens" are artificially deflating wages of jobs that Americans, apparently, are quite happy with in other states.

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