What should be done about illegal immigration?

@Foxfyre,

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I think most Americans and Brits would do jobs that 'nobody wants to do' if you make it worth their while and attractive enough.

Are you kidding? It would cost a fortune as well as demotivate people from studying.

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@Foxfyre,

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Yes there are a lot of jobs that Americans (and probably Brits) no longer covet as we have been raised with affluence and a different set of goals for our our lives. But as a kid, I swept stores, pulled cotton, fed pigs, and baby sat to make a little money. I wouldn't choose any of those jobs now but if they paid a living wage and they were what I could get, I would not think it beneath me to do them now.

I think that disingenuous. Lots of people did jobs like that as kids or in college.

There's no chance of you doing them now. So it's an easy thing to say.

And anyway, they would drive you mad the way you've been socialised. And that would be no good. I don't think you understand the social dynamics of what I'm getting at. I am talking about tens of millions of people whose dignity, built up by dumbed down education and a seeming incapacity to know when they are validating themselves using assertions, could not handle it psychologically. They couldn't be expected to.

You only need read the evolution argument threads to know how important baseless assertions are to the contributors there and I assume, by extension, most "educated" Americans. Can you imagine the intrigue and fighting for the best jobs if non-immigrants had to do the dirty, drudgery. Corruption would run riot. Imagine the assertion battles.

Individual cases are neither here nor there. The immigrants are coming, just as your forbears came as immigrants, to the Promised land. And they'll want their kids to major in an 'ology, get a dimploma and a degree and a good job.

It's basically what the evolution argument is about as well. You get too many chiefs and not enough indians as they used to say in the motor industry here before it went belly up.

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@ebrown p,

Brownie, you don't comprehend too well. I wasn't saying that we are screwed because of immigrants. We are screwed, and will continue to be screwed, because of Asians abroad.

P.S. Do you know why they are called Asians? It is because they get all "A's."

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what, to me, is a significant problematic issue is the absolute failure of our (USA) higher education system brought about by the G.I. Bill entitling every g.i. (post WW II) to receive a college education. Billions of dollars were made available to our college/universities and they expanded to capture those dollars by drastically lowering academic standards producing millions of "college educated" dullards, barely literate but "entitled" to the good life of a home in the burbs, a white collar job, a 2-car garage and colour telly.
The new standard of living was/is based on the false premise of an educated elite made up of masses of men/women barely equipped to flip burgers but drawing down $65,000 per annum based on the diploma hanging on their wall. Being far above manual labor due to their degree they created demand for roofers, landscapers, house painters etc.
The G.I. bill created illegal immigration (I ain't picking no lettuce, I'm a college graduate)

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@spendius,

I don't think you actually read what I said again, Spendi, because I don't believe that you and I would be in that wide a disagreement. Or perhaps Brits are much different from Americans and would think it beneath their dignity to do unskilled manual labor. I suppose there are Americans--especially among the younger ones who grew up in the welfare state--who do expect somebody to take care of them if they don't take care of themselves. I simply don't believe there are many of my generation who think that way though.

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@Foxfyre,

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I suppose there are Americans--especially among the younger ones who grew up in the welfare state--who do expect somebody to take care of them if they don't take care of themselves. I simply don't believe there are many of my generation who think that way though.

Bull Foxy,

First... Americans of your generation and before used immigrants to do the dirtiest jobs. How many of the railroad workers were white? Do you know about the Bracero program?

Second... whose generation was it that started the so-called Welfare state (wasn't it yours)?

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@dyslexia,

dys has it right. There are "intellectuals" on the evolution threads who can barely read or write. Education is a business and it sell grandiosity. To mugs.

Both Winston Churchill and Anthony Eden, who tried to save you from all this **** in the Middle East, stated publicly that Americans believed anything they said was a fact on the sole evidence of them having said it. That they were infallible like the Pope. And they only ever met members of what Mr Wright Mills called the Power Elite. Your brightest and best.

And you don't seem to have heard of the Revenge of the Oppressed which plagued both the Roman Empire and our own.

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@dyslexia,

So now its the fault of veterans taking advantage of their VA benefits?

After all, the govt made a contract, and those of us who are veterans simply made them honor that contract.

So now you seriously believe that veterans are the cause of illegal immigration?
You cant be serious!!!!!

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@dyslexia,

Damn, DysBob. Occasionally, you make sense. I still don't like you, but sometimes you make sense.
Higher education became a big industry in this country. Big. Don't even get me started on their side project of "amateur" athletics. The public went for it, aspiring to have the best life for the kids which meant a framed diploma on the wall certifying that the kid had a degree in...something. Whether that piece of paper translated into a marketable skill mattered little. And the government hurled money, lots of money, in the colleges' direction.
At the same time, again after WW2, came the idea that every family ought to aspire to a home in the suburbs. Away from the inner cities where many of our immigrant parents or grandparents lived. The resulting urban sprawl, with the government's willingness to build more and more highways to serve them, killed many cities.
Manual labor is now largely looked down upon. The electrician, the guy/gal who learned from dad how to properly trim a tree, the farmer-driven off his land by too expensive real estate taxes and neighbors who moved in next door but now object to the smell of cow manure.
(enough already, johnboy, you are starting to drool. Take one of the pink pills and one of the green ones).

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@mysteryman,

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So now its the fault of veterans taking advantage of their VA benefits?

dys did not say that.

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@spendius,

spendius wrote:

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So now its the fault of veterans taking advantage of their VA benefits?

dys did not say that.

the point is not what dys said or didn't say, the point is that dys said something so it must b e wrong, I assume, spendi, you're familiar with that syndrome.

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@spendius,

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dys did not say that.

In so many words, your right he didnt.
But, thats what was inferred, and we have been told that inference matters more then what is said.

By blaming the GI Bill and the fact that colleges went after that money, which was ONLY available to veterans, that infers that its vets fault.
If you werent a vet, you didnt qualify for the GI Bill.

So, he did say that.

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@mysteryman,

He just didn't say it. He didn't infer it either. You just can't read properly.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

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dys did not say that.

In so many words, your right he didnt.
But, thats what was inferred, and we have been told that inference matters more then what is said.

By blaming the GI Bill and the fact that colleges went after that money, which was ONLY available to veterans, that infers that its vets fault.
If you werent a vet, you didnt qualify for the GI Bill.

So, he did say that.

I attended university on the GI Bill, what I did not infer but rather stated quite directly as that our higher education dramatically lowered their standards producing illiterate but degree owning numbnuts.

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@dyslexia,

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I attended university on the GI Bill, what I did not infer but rather stated quite directly as that our higher education dramatically lowered their standards producing illiterate but degree owning numbnuts.

So you are now calling veterans "illiterate but degree owning numbnuts"?
Yet you blame colleges for getting the money from the GI Bill, which was only available to veterans.

You sure dont have much respect or regard for vets, do you?

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

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I attended university on the GI Bill, what I did not infer but rather stated quite directly as that our higher education dramatically lowered their standards producing illiterate but degree owning numbnuts.

So you are now calling veterans "illiterate but degree owning numbnuts"?
Yet you blame colleges for getting the money from the GI Bill, which was only available to veterans.

You sure dont have much respect or regard for vets, do you?

Either you can't read or you're intentionally distorting my posts, which is it?

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@dyslexia,

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Either you can't read or you're intentionally distorting my posts, which is it?

Neither, I'm quoting you, using your own words.
You made the statement, its up to you to defend it.
You dont seem willing to do that, do you?

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@mysteryman,

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So you are now calling veterans "illiterate but degree owning numbnuts"?
Yet you blame colleges for getting the money from the GI Bill, which was only available to veterans.

You sure dont have much respect or regard for vets, do you?

The GI bill throwing loads of guys into the universities whom otherwise would have never been there is but the opening act of the American push to get nearly everyone into collage. This does not make sense, we spend four years giving people an education that they will never need because they are destined for low skill jobs. I can't see any economy ever needing more than 20% to have a four year degree. I wise that we took only the number that we needed, take only the best, and have everyone else do trade school or no school. A great number of universities should be closed outright, and many others should be shrunk.

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@mysteryman,

mysteryman wrote:

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Either you can't read or you're intentionally distorting my posts, which is it?

Neither, I'm quoting you, using your own words.
You made the statement, its up to you to defend it.
You dont seem willing to do that, do you?

This should be easy MM, quote what I said and then quote what you said that I said.

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@hawkeye10,

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The GI bill throwing loads of guys into the universities whom otherwise would have never been there is but the opening act of the American push to get nearly everyone into collage. This does not make sense, we spend four years giving people an education that they will never need because they are destined for low skill jobs. I can't see any economy ever needing more than 20% to have a four year degree. I wise that we took only the number that we needed, take only the best, and have everyone else do trade school or no school. A great number of universities should be closed outright, and many others should be shrunk.

That MAY, and I stress MAY, be true.
However, that does not mean that the GI Bill and colleges are responsible for illegal immigration, as dys suggested.

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