What should be done about illegal immigration?

Saying that people should enter the country through legal means is not what makes you a bigot...... I would have no problem with someone who could make the argument against "amnesty" (or whatever it is you are arguing against) without screaming about invasion, leprosy or hyped crime statistics.

and i haven't screamed, as you say, about invasion, leprosy or hyped crime statistics.

i've been consistent in my position about illegal immigration. if my position has changed at all, it has softened.

certainly not because of you calling me a racist or a bigot. that **** got you nowhere with me. but i have spoken with others who have articulated many of the same things without acting like a self righteous prig.


People against "amnesty" who don't say bigoted things are few and far between... but it is not being against "amnesty" that makes them a bigot.
you should probably speak to my neighbor, mrs. sanchez. the illegal issue pisses her off big time.

but according to your rules, i guess mrs. sanchez must be a racist that hates mexicans, right?


And, if it is bizarre for Bill to be in favor of the Iraq war (and I will let him define his own stance on this) yet in favor of a compassionate immigration policy... Why isn't it just as bizarre for you to oppose Iraq while supporting harsh immigration policy?

you'd be on target with that comment if i had only even once advocated "harsh" immigration policies. but i haven't. we've been over this ad nausea.

but i'm trying to tell ya something here, e. hint: you get more flies with sugar than vinegar.

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Pro-amnesty for illegals groups have also put out reams of opinion that it is lack of education and skills among blacks that make them unemployable and not the illegals.

This is a bald-faced lie.

Here's a very simple personal observation; if we didn't have Mexicans working in our restaurants, there would be much less places to dine outside of our homes.

DTOM,

1) I was reacting to your personal attacks on O'Bill-- and to the old rhetoric you used (the "first act was illegal" line you repeated out was used by Nativists opposing the Irish and Italians in the 1920's).

1) questioning a person's motive when voicing a seemingly contradictory point of view is not a personal attack.

2) please spare me the Nativist b.s., okay. every group has taken their lumps as immigrants in virtually every era and country. seriously. do think that the other new yorkers called my grandfather a "kraut" outta love?

3) you want to call something that is a fact; ie, entering a country without permission when that permission is a requirement for legal entry, isn't rhetoric. it's a truth.



2) I am not here to catch flies ...The debate will be won by doing things like registering voters, and making sure Obama gets elected.

now you are going in the right direction, babe. get the laws changed to be more accommodating.


3) I don't know what you stand for. Advocate and Foxfyre have said some pretty bigoted things here... it seems to me like you have pretty emphatically jumped into bed with them.

you seem incorrectly, e. i've voiced my concerns in a pragmatic way. several times.

Yes, I did read the links... none of which had reams, or even pages , by pro-amnesty groups like the NAACP about why blacks are unemployable.

Am I correct from your statement that you think whites are employable? I would love to hear you opinion of why that is (considering all the illegal people running around).

No. Haven't been to LA in decades - and I want to keep it that way.