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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
au1929
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 06:38 pm
hamburger wrote:
Laughing Laughing Laughing but always laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


I could say ignorance is bliss Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 06:39 pm
Many of you seem to be confused about making english the official language.
It wont stop anyone from speaking whatever language they want to, in their homes, churches, neighborhoods, or social settings.

All it would do is mandate that all OFFICIAL documents, from voter registration cards to ballots to any other type of document would be printed in english only.
There is no reason to have ballots published in 12 or more different languages.

Why is it so wrong to expect people to at least try to assimilate, to a small degree?
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hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 06:51 pm
au :
why such a sad face ?
"smile and the world smiles with you ... "
i'm sure you know that smiling and laughing prolongs one's life - i'm all for that .
hbg
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 06:57 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Many of you seem to be confused about making english the official language.
It wont stop anyone from speaking whatever language they want to, in their homes, churches, neighborhoods, or social settings.

All it would do is mandate that all OFFICIAL documents, from voter registration cards to ballots to any other type of document would be printed in english only.
There is no reason to have ballots published in 12 or more different languages.

Why is it so wrong to expect people to at least try to assimilate, to a small degree?


Well, other then to make you feel better about things, what's the point?

Cycloptichorn
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 07:07 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Many of you seem to be confused about making english the official language.
It wont stop anyone from speaking whatever language they want to, in their homes, churches, neighborhoods, or social settings.

All it would do is mandate that all OFFICIAL documents, from voter registration cards to ballots to any other type of document would be printed in english only.
There is no reason to have ballots published in 12 or more different languages.

Why is it so wrong to expect people to at least try to assimilate, to a small degree?


Well, other then to make you feel better about things, what's the point?

Cycloptichorn


The point is why should the American taxpayer pay for ballots to be printed in every language on earth, simply because someone doesnt want to speak english?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 07:28 pm
And we give driving tests in Cantonese. Give me a break. Can't read the roadsigns? Take a bus.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 10:31 pm

Our government is failing to do their jobs. Why do we continue to vote them back into office?
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 01:25 am
mysteryman wrote:
Why is it so wrong to expect people to at least try to assimilate, to a small degree?


Quote:
The point is why should the American taxpayer pay for ballots to be printed in every language on earth, simply because someone doesnt want to speak english?


The point is that immigrants do want to speak English, it's just that for first generation immigrants, English isn't their first language, so naturally they have difficulty with the language.

By the second and third generations, immigrant descendents are already proficient in the language.

New York Times

November 30, 2007

Latino Immigrants' Children Found Grasping English
By JULIA PRESTON

Most children of Hispanic immigrants in the United States learn to speak English well by the time they are adults, even though three-quarters of their parents speak mainly Spanish and do not have a command of English, according to a report released yesterday by the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington.

Only 23 percent of first-generation immigrants from Spanish-speaking countries said they spoke English very well, the report found. But 88 percent of the members of the second generation in Latino immigrant families described themselves as strong English speakers, a figure that increased to 94 percent for the grandchildren's generation.

"The ability to speak English and the likelihood of using it in everyday life rise sharply from Hispanic immigrants to their U.S.-born adult children," the survey reported.

The Pew Hispanic Center is a nonpartisan research organization that does not take a position in the contentious immigration debate. The new report is based on an analysis of six surveys the center conducted from April 2002 to October 2006, covering more than 14,000 Latino adults over 18 years old.

http://home.elp.rr.com/infrablues/Hispanic%20Immigration%20and%20English%20Languange.jpg

The findings address rising worries among some voters that immigrants arriving from Latin America in the last two decades have resisted learning English and are failing to assimilate into American society. Advocates of tighter borders and reduced immigration have said that Spanish may be competing for dominance with English in states like Texas and California with large Latino populations.

At least one state, Kansas, adopted a law this year declaring English its official language and eliminating requirements that official documents be produced in Spanish as well as English, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Measures favoring English have also proliferated in counties and towns.

The Pew report found that Hispanics are generally eager to master English, believing it is "necessary for success in the United States."

Many Hispanics believe they will face discrimination if they speak Spanish and lack strong English skills, according to the report. In the analysis, 46 percent of Latinos cited poor English skills as the leading cause of discrimination against them, a far more significant cause than race or immigration status. In a survey this year, 54 percent of Latinos said they saw discrimination as a major obstacle to their progress.

The report sought to measure English skills as "a marker of attachment" to American society, said D'Vera Cohn, a Pew center researcher who wrote the report with Shirin Hakimzadeh, another Pew researcher.

The English skills of recently arrived immigrants varied widely depending on the countries they came from. Among Mexicans, who are by far the largest national group among recent immigrants, 71 percent said they spoke little or no English. Of Hispanics born outside the 50 states, Puerto Ricans were the most likely to speak English well.

Even as many Latinos learn English, they continue to retain and use Spanish. According to the report, 44 percent of Latino adults, whether born abroad or in the United States, said they were bilingual, while 41 percent said they spoke mainly Spanish. Only 15 percent of Latino adults said they were "largely English speakers."

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A lot of today's anti-immigration bigots with ancestors who came during the wave of immigration between the mid 19th to early 20th centuries fail to realize that their ancestors also had difficulty with the language; they tended to live in ghettos trying to recreate the cultural milieau of their homelands such as printing neighborhood newspapers in the languanges of their countries of origin; and all the while the local, state and federal governments facilitated their integration by also providing services in these various languages. Today's anti-immigration bigots are either abjectly ignorant of the reality of their own immigrant origins, or are raving hypocrites as concerns their intolerance of the new immigrants to the country in light of their own immigrant legacies.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 07:23 am
InfraBlue, Excellent post. Racial bigots can't see the front of their own nose from their blinded bigotry. As I've said, they fail to understand history or current realities.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 07:58 am
Your use of the race card is an attempt to marginalize those that disagree with your ridiculous viewpoints. And the fact remains, more Americans want illegal aliens to leave than want them to stay.

So, get with the program yourself.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 08:09 am
Here by choice.... Rolling Eyes

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/illegal_chicago_rally.jpg
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 08:21 am
Quote:
In Kansas, GOP abandons abortion focus

And party leaders suggest that conservative candidates do the same, saying the issue could alienate voters nowadays.

But as the political season revs up, the executive director of the Kansas Republican Party has issued a stern warning to his fellow conservatives: Abortion is not a winning issue.

"This is not something that the Kansas GOP is going to go out and lead on," Christian Morgan said.

In an e-mail rebuffing an antiabortion activist who asked for more GOP support, Morgan explained: "My job is to win elections. . . . Your agenda does not fit my agenda."

The hands-off stance frustrates Cheryl Sullenger, a leader of the antiabortion group Operation Rescue. "They're turning their back on the grass roots," she said. "All you're going to see from this is defeat."


You have to admire the honesty..."My job is to win elections" even if it leaves out the last half of the thought..."and then deliver america's largess to friends of mine and my party."

But the real reason I posted this bit from today's LA Times is that it seems to present a clear path to compromise on the abortion issue and progress on the tricky immigration matter. Let those colored illegal immigrants abort. Encourage them to abort. Give them driver's licences if they do.

The only good illegal immigrant fetus is a dead illegal immigrant fetus.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 10:03 am
Would you please stop the name calling. It is a cheap shot, and is probably employed due to a lack of valid arguments. There are a host of reasons to oppose illegal immigration, and even legal immigration, that are not racially or religiously motivated.

ebrown talks about stereotyping. I haven't seen where anyone is saying that, say, Hispanics are not bright, are more disposed to be criminals, etc. Reciting the facts indicating that illegals are having a negative effect on the country, particularly in, say, CA, is not stereotyping. It is important for the public to know of these salient facts.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 10:18 am
You have got to be kidding Advocate... not everyone who is against compassion for illegal immigrants is a racist.

But you personally have posted every racist stereotype ever used about people of color.

Your posts in particular have brought of the following gems.
People of color... waste welfare, fill our prisons, are prone to violent crime, hurt American culture.

Can you name one slur ever used against a person of color that you haven't personally posted.in this thread?

Your posts are a joke Advocate... they show a deep conflict in your identity.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 10:23 am
Quote:
Reciting the facts indicating that illegals are having a negative effect on the country, particularly in, say, CA, is not stereotyping. It is important for the public to know of these salient facts.
Yes of course, it is also somewhat important to have those "salient facts" be true and accurate.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 10:33 am
arkansas state senator writes email...and it's just a realitic appraisal of critical matters...like American generally, he's moved past and evolved beyond crude racism...

Quote:
In the e-mail on the television station's Web site, the message attributed to Altes states that he's for "sending the illegals back but we know that is impossible.

" We are where we were with the black folks after the revolutionary war. We can't send them back and the more we p*** them off the worse it will be in the future. So what do we do," the e-mail states. "I say the governor needs to try to enforce the law and sign the letter of understanding... and at least we can send the troublemakers back. Sure we are being overrun but we are being outpopulated by the blacks also. What is the answer, only time will tell." Altes has represented the Fort Smith area in the Legislature since 1999, when he was elected to the House. He served two terms there and has been a member of the Senate since 2003.
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/209090/

Just one guy? Turn on Fox and learn about the "Reconquista Movement" because you'd better because they (we know who 'they' are) are going to take over California and make it part of Mexico.

Turn on CNN and listen to Dobbs and Buchannan talk about how the whites aren't breeding enough while Latino wombs are abroil with non-whiteness about to squirt out and destroy all that is good and pure and caucasian.

Turn to Freerepublic and try not to vomit.
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Advocate
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 11:27 am
ebrown_p wrote:
You have got to be kidding Advocate... not everyone who is against compassion for illegal immigrants is a racist.

But you personally have posted every racist stereotype ever used about people of color.

Your posts in particular have brought of the following gems.
People of color... waste welfare, fill our prisons, are prone to violent crime, hurt American culture.

Can you name one slur ever used against a person of color that you haven't personally posted.in this thread?

Your posts are a joke Advocate... they show a deep conflict in your identity.



I think the problem is that your downright stupid. And you are too stupid to know this.

Here is a video about an immigrant who has made it. http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/player.jhtml?ml_video=23437
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2008 12:36 pm
Illegal immigration sucks! Illegal immigration rocks!

(Um - just testing whether this thread can be posted to again.. though maybe you wouldnt want to, considering how it ended last time round ;-))
Foxfyre
 
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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2008 12:40 pm
@nimh,
Yep, apparently all previous bans and locks and such are forgiven and its all a do-over. Hopefully, a do-over if this thread is resurrected will involve actually discussing the pros and cons of illegal immigration and how to best deal with that instead of focusing on whether those holding opinions - pro or con - are racist.

I do wish we could retrieve the poll results even if there is no way to add to them at this time, but that's not all that important. I do know that a pretty good majority of members from all sides of the political and ideological spectrum were opposed to illegal immigration.
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nooks
 
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Reply Sat 20 Sep, 2008 07:20 pm
@ebrown p,
This, to me, is the most efficient choice. Can't have us breaking the rules we make.
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