What should be done about illegal immigration?

ebrown is going pretty far afield from illegal immigration, focusing on racism. Then, whenever something negative is said about illegals, he quickly links the comment to Hispanics. He has a tricky way of taking racist shots at Hispanics, and then blames others for doing this.

His lying is amazing. I posted a long article about illegals and related crime, which, I guess, peripherally mentioned sexual assaults. He now uses this to charge me with linking Hispanics to this crime.

All in all, he is a lying racist.

Interesting.

Word!

Unfotuneatly, when all else fails eBrown-p plays the race card. Damn it these people have broken the law and are in the US illegally.

What does that mean?

He borrows the tactics of all race hustlers to further their agenda. Accusing their opponents of being bigots is a central part of the strategy.

He is making a joke Advocate... you see that is his impression of how "people of color" speak.

((this is certainly interesting))

It's no joke. It's part of the language. It simply means "I agree 100% with what you wrote".

Race Hustler?. Do you have the guts to back up that charge Okie?

Tell me what other in what other "agendas" (besides illegal immigration) do "Race Hustlers" wrongly accuse people of being bigots?

Please do tell?

Illegal immigrants affect our national security. Regarding this, see:




Published: November 19, 2007
Suspected Hezbollah Mole Began as Illegal Immigrant in US

Michael Cutler



There is cause for great concern about the case of Nada Nadim Prouty, a Lebanese citizen who managed to game the immigration bureaucracy to acquire United States citizenship. By marrying fraudulently, she was able to achieve her goal of becoming a resident alien after she had gained lawful entry into the United States as a student. She eventually became a trusted employee of the FBI and the CIA.



I have a fairly extensive background in this sort of arrangement. When I was with the former INS, I was detailed for about a year as an adjudicator to the unit charged with determining if couples who claimed to be married (in order to enable aliens to become resident aliens) were truly living together or had engaged in a fraud or "sham" marriage to circumvent the immigration laws of the United States. Additionally, when I became a criminal investigator, or special agent as that job is now known, I spent several years assigned to the Frauds Unit of the Investigations Branch of the New York Office of the INS conducting field investigations into suspected fraud marriages.



Recently the Washington Times reported on this case, but their article was disturbing and infuriating in that the news report stated:



"Investigators said Prouty managed to get past three security firewalls.

First, she obtained security clearance and a job as an FBI special agent. Then, she got clearance and a job at the CIA. ABC News said she worked at the agency's National Clandestine Service, which runs covert operations.

And finally, Prouty penetrated the FBI's classified database to obtain information about the federal probe of Hezbollah and of her sister and brother-in-law, who allegedly had ties to senior members of the terrorist group.

The FBI said Prouty passed a polygraph test during her background check but was not subjected to the high level of screening that was adopted after FBI agent Robert Hanssen was exposed as a Soviet and Russian spy in 2001."

This report is not entirely accurate. Ms. Prouty's odyssey began when she gamed the immigration system to gain lawful immigrant status in the United States; the investigators charged with figuring out how she managed to deceive our government in an almost unimaginable manner are apparently ignoring the fact that the first step she took along the way - ultimately to gain access to the FBI and CIA - was to commit an immigration felony and engage in a marriage fraud. The first firewall was not, as the quote above indicates, obtaining a security clearance at the FBI; it was gaining a green card by committing a felony and entering into a sham marriage.



A study that was done after the attacks of 9/11 disclosed that of 94 terrorists who were identified as operating in the United States in the decade immediately preceding the attacks of September 11, 2001, 59 of those identified terrorists had committed immigration benefit fraud either to enter the United States and/or to embed themselves in the US after they gained entry.



This fact, and the issue of immigration benefit fraud and its nexus to national security, was clearly noted in a GAO report that can be found at:



http://www.gao.gov/htext/d06259.html



This report makes it abundantly clear why the interior enforcement of the immigration laws must not only punish employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens, but also immediately place convicted alien criminals under deportation proceedings. While these two missions are of great significance, if our government does not mount an effective effort to weed out aliens who seek to acquire resident alien status and United States citizenship, then our country will remain at risk from not only terrorists and enemy agents, but from garden variety criminals as well.



There is information filed with the Federal Court that sets forth the allegations against Ms. Prouty. What stands out is that the information notes Ms. Prouty "and other co-conspirators" are described as having entered the United States on nonimmigrant visas, overstaying those visas and then entering into fraud marriages for the purpose of securing resident alien status. These other, un-named co-conspirators are also alleged to have used their fraudulently acquired United States citizenship to obtain United States passports that they used to travel internationally. It is also alleged they also used their naturalization certificate to obtain security clearances and sensitive employment with the United States government!



The questions raised are: how many such "moles" have inserted themselves in sensitive positions in our government and how much harm have they done? Does our government even know how many such moles are currently embedded in our government or in sensitive positions in the private sector? Understand that this means that the next time you are searched by TSA officials, there may be among them illegal aliens who gamed the immigration system. There may be such insidious individuals working at nuclear power plants or other such critical infrastructures.



Yet in describing what Ms. Prouty did, the investigator quoted in the above-mentioned article did not even state the immigration benefit fraud that she committed in furtherance of her objectives.



The term "Immigration" encompasses more than just the issue of the fence on the border or the raids on factories that employ illegal aliens. Effective enforcement of immigration law must include the creation of an immigration benefits program that possesses true integrity. This is absolutely a matter of critical importance with highly significant national security ramifications.



The article notes that Congress will hold hearings into this case.



We the People need to watch how the hearings are conducted and pay attention to what, if anything is discussed about the vulnerabilities created by USCIS (United States Citizenship and Immigration Services). We the People should not only demand that our elected representatives hold the administration and DHS accountable, but should also inundate the various news organizations to demand that the candidates for the Presidency be asked hard questions about how they would fix this huge gap in our nation's security.



The clock is ticking and time is most definitely not on our side.



Democracy is not a spectator sport!



Lead, follow or get out of the way!

That is pretty easy to do, and I have done it. No matter what is said about illegals, you make it the subject of a bogus racisim charge. Race hustler is a great description of you.

The war on drugs is a great example of where we "Race Hustlers" are trying to point out how racial stereotypes affect debate on social policy..

The war on drugs has resulted in the highest incarceration rate in the developed world and that over 60% of those incarcerated are people of color. This high incarceration rate has disproportionately affected African-American communities and hurt families of color far more than any other group of Americans.

In spite of this, there is a continual push for even harsher punishments including the "three strikes" law which led to even more lives of African American young men being wasted in prison.

How do these laws pass? Well many of us feel the image of scary black men invading neighborhoods is always played unfairly. Oh, the word "black" is never said any more-- but the message is clear. The words like "inner-city", or "gang banger" are used and everyone understands it is black men being targeted.

... and of course young black men are the ones who pay the price.

Many of us say as clearly as we can that there are racial stereotypes and injustice inherent in the war on drugs. The use of fear to pass harsher and harsher laws makes this clear-- and this is all made possible because people buy the manipulative claims of the risk of violence and crime.

The damage being done to people and communities of color is a tragedy.

That stuff is outside the thread. Stay on topic, please.

The war on (illegal) immigrants and the war on (illegal) drugs are very much the same thing.

1. The same groups and public figures are behind them.
2. They are using the same inflammatory rhetoric and scare tactics.
3. They are disproportionately targeting communities of color.

4. In spite of all of this, the claim "We are not Racist" is made in both.

We want to know Advocate, which side are you on?

Sorry if this is off target. However it begs to be responded to.

ebrown-p wrote

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To that I say if you can't do the time don't do the crime. I am tired of hearing blacks are disproportionally in jail. Perhaps it is because blacks disproportionally commit crimes.

ebrown must have suffered racial discrimination, which explains his obsession with racism. Moreover, he comes across as Al Sharpton.

I have watched your posts for quite a while, and that seems to be the direction it goes with you. Sorry, but that is the perception.

Race hustlers will use it in virtually any issue. A good recent example was Hurricane Katrina, where the discussion ran the gamut, with even Bush being accused of blowing up the levies on purpose.

Illegal immigration into the United States is a highly profitable proposition for both employers and the U.S. government, and it also benefits Mexico, which is the largest source country of undocumented immigrants into the US.

The US and Mexican governments actively entice illegal immigrants to enter this country and to work illegally for profit-hungry U.S. employers. Poverty-stricken immigrants , who are often desperate to house and feed their families, respond to the financial enticements...and then are blamed by U.S. citizenry for illegally being in the US.
http://usliberals.about.com/od/immigration/a/IllegalImmi.htm

The touchy subject has become a political minefield for '08 contenders

America's rugged, porous southern border has come to symbolize a broken immigration system, spawning a political debate especially fraught with perils. Nowhere is that more evident than in the presidential primary races.

The highly charged immigration issues have tripped up veteran politicians such as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who recently appeared to waffle on whether to grant noncitizens driver's licenses, and Sen. John McCain, who's backed away from a long legislative history advocating a path to citizenship for the estimated 12 million to 15 million people who've slipped over the border or overstayed their visas.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1119/p01s02-uspo.html


Illegal immigrants living in states and cities that have adopted strict immigration policies are packing up and moving back to their home countries or to neighboring states.

The exodus has been fueled by a wave of laws targeting illegal immigrants in Oklahoma, Arizona, Colorado, Georgia and elsewhere. Many were passed after congressional efforts to overhaul the immigration system collapsed in June.

Immigrants say the laws have raised fears of workplace raids and deportation.

"People now are really frightened and scared because they don't know what's going to happen," says Juliana Stout, an editor at the newspaper El Nacional de Oklahoma. "They're selling houses. They're leaving the country."

Supporters of the laws cheer the departure of illegal immigrants and say the laws are working as intended.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-26-moving_N.htm

First, it is not that much of a touchy subject for presidential contenders.

All of the Democratic candidates are saying basically the same thing. They all are calling for a path to citizenship for illegal people here now combined with increased border security.

All of the Republican candidates are saying basically the same thing. They all are saying there will be no amnesty (i.e. no path to citizenship) and that they will focus on enforcement.

(Yes you will see a little dancing around the edges, like whether to give people drivers licenses before they are given a path to citizenship... but all of the Democratic candidates want to give them a path to citizenship so even that isn't much of a difference.)

The American people clearly support the Democrats on this. Consistantly polls show a solid majority of -- from 55%-65% depending on the poll, support this moderate compromise position.

This is why the Republicans have failed to use this issue successfully in the past 2 elections (and why they are screwed if immigration is all they have).

Second, the small number of immigrants leaving the country is an interesting phenomenon. Not all illegal people are the same... they have quite different backgrounds, levels of education and even lifestyles. The illegal people who leave will tend to be wealthier and more educated since they have resources to do alright when they return or relocate somewhere else.

This will be a small percentage. Harsh enforcement of the drug laws has put lots of people in prison at great expense, but has not solved our drug problem. Harsh enforcement of Prohibition caused even more problems.

What you will see is the creation of a new underclass. More vulnerable and easier to exploit and further underground.