What should be done about illegal immigration?

That's what happens when colored people move into a neighborhood.

My view of what Albuquerque is alike id different to that okie gave.

Certainly the five members from Duke Town here won't agree that much as well.

But most surely okie is the best source.

Well, I didn't see alot of motels locked down for the night, nor concertina wire. Maybe I wasn't paying attention.

ebrown, are you affiliated with the KKK? First you say that people of color are racists, and now you say that they destroy the neighborhood.

Actually Advocate... the KKK seems to agree with you about the affects of "illegals". I think you are both full of crap.

The things that you are saying about Hispanics (or is that "illegals") are things that have been said about Blacks (or is that "welfare moms").

It is the same old thing... play against racial stereotypes and ethnic fears. If you are afraid of being called a racist... then make sure you use code words so maybe people won't notice what you are doing.

Your arguments against illegal Hispanics-- crime, fear, disease housing costs are the same arguments that the KKK has always made against colored people. The took blacks and made them all "crack heads" and this time it is about Hispanic "illegals". The tactic is just as offensive.

Not that long ago Willie Horton who won an election by providing a symbol of hatred and fear for people who wanted to give crime an ethnic identity.

Now you propose to do the same thing with Hispanics.

Willie Horton won an election? Amazing what you can read on this thread!

Are we speaking English here - obviously not, or the simple statement "We are a country of laws, not men" wouldn't take 500+ pages to explain!

In places in America where there are the most undocumented workers, the economy is roaring along. I live in Florida, a place awash in the undocumented. Our jobless rate is 3% in the state, the lowest rate in the country, and companies are begging people to come to work.



Don't tell me these people are taking jobs from Americans. They do the jobs that unemployed, lazy Americans turn their backs on. They work in the kitchens; they clean hotel rooms and offices; they pick our crops and watch our children. They provide local American entrepreneurs with a hard-working cadre of willing workers.



Yes, they're here illegally, a crime that's technically a misdemeanor, payable with a fine and deportation. They crossed the border without documentation, and many of them obtained documentation fraudulently. So, show me a victim of these crimes, those of you who are the descendents of immigrants, many of whom arrived undocumented themselves?-but before there was a law against it.



The vast majority of the undocumented don't wear ski masks, don't rob and rape, don't prey on the weak and helpless. They're here to work at jobs that pay twenty times what they could earn in their countries of origin.



If we're that concerned with millions of people who have committed misdemeanor crimes, then what about all the Americans who break our misdemeanor laws? These illegal Americans speed on the highways, jaywalk, and cheat on their income taxes and divorce agreements. Perhaps after we deport all the illegal aliens, we can go after all the illegal Americans and make our transition to a police state complete.



Don't get me wrong: I'm not any happier than most people are with the state of immigration policy in America. We need improved border security. We need background checks of those who are in the country. We also need rational reform, a reform that recognizes the role of the immigrant who comes to America to work, and recognizes the need of some American industries, like the agriculture, hospitality, and construction industries, for low-cost, hard-working workers.



Every worker who comes to America should be documented, and a national registry of these workers can separate the people who are here honestly to work from those who come here with more sinister motives. A national registry of workers allows immigrants looking for work to be matched with jobs that are needed. It reduces and ultimately dries up the motive for illegal border crossings by those looking for work. When an entrepreneur can easily get a legally documented worker, why should he settle for an illegal?



So what should we do with the worker who's here illegally now? There are some eleven to twelve million of them, a logistical nightmare to track down and deport. (Not mention the police state environment that this would create in this country.) Many of them are already established in the country, with employers who count on them. Some are married to Americans and have children who are American citizens.



The answer is not amnesty, but justice. First, register them, document them, background check them. Then charge them with their crime. Make them pay their misdemeanor fine, pay back taxes, and serve community service hours. If they want to become citizens, they must go to the back of the line of those applying for citizenship. The Senate's bill would do all these things.



Once we have our current undocumented aliens documented, and future workers coming in documented in a guest worker program, filling all needed jobs in this country, the job market for illegal aliens dries up. The number of illegal aliens declines to those with truly illegal purposes?-drug smugglers, illegal importers, and terrorists?-and catching them without documentation becomes a manageable law enforcement issue
http://batr.org/twins/041506.html

Stop lying about what I said. You won't show me where I linked illegals to Hispanics. You are a pitiful SOB.

Advocate, I think you know better than this. Racial symbols are always used to play off stereotypes and increase fears. This is the oldest trick in the book.

When Willie Horton was used in the now infamous ad, it was designed to play to racist stereotypes and fears. The right wingers will tell you this wasn't a racist ad... but I think you know better.

The scary black man is a powerful political gimmick.

Black men have been portrayed as sexual predators. Black kids have been portrayed as violent gang members.

Do you think the war on drugs... which has done real damage to black communities isn't caused by racism?

Do you think the shockingly high numbers of black men now in prison has nothing to do with the racist attitudes in society.

Come on now Advocate... I think you know more about the insidious use of racial stereotypes and the damaging affect it has on minority communities and people of color than you let on.

Or are you naive enough to think the Jena Six verdicts had nothing to do with racism?

You must suffer from delusions. I am against illegals whether from Russia, the UK, France, or anywhere else. I, and I believe others, resent your intentional misrepresentation of our statements. I certainly never weighed in on the Jena matter.

As far as I am concerned, you are a sick f**k.

Resorting to personal attacks, Advocate?

Cycloptichorn

It is hypocrisy Advocate.

The people who are now making these defamatory attacks on "illegals" are the same people make attacks on the black stereotypes "crackheads" and "welfare moms".

I think you understand that when racists rail against people using words like "inner-city" or "wilding" or even "crackheads", they are really setting up stereotypes with the goal of hurting all people of color (I probably don't need to point out the significance of the fact that crack is punished much more harshly than cocaine).

If you don't believe it... look at the people you are getting into bed with-- Tancredo, Buchanan, Duke... these are the people who oppose anything that benefits people of color, from affirmative action to hate crimes legislation.

Yet here you are, now repeating the same attacks on people of color that they are.

Your new friends will tell you that playing to ethnic fears of violent crime, sexual predation and disease isn't racism. They have been saying the same thing since the days of segregation-- in fact they are still saying that the Jena Six has nothing to do with racism.

You say it is just about "illegal"... but reading your comments I don't believe it.

You are making the same sensationalist attacks that play off the same racial fears that your friends have always made against people of color.

Don't argue with the traitor. He lives for it.

Cjhsa and Advocate. Advocate and Cjhsa.

You two have a lot in common don't you.

Here is an interesting piece on the environmental impact of immigration. It is not a pretty picture.

http://www.carryingcapacity.org/DinAlt.htm

Illegals and the environment...

I knew it, Advocate. You are a Ted Nugent fan aren't you.

ebrown is just a pitiful liar. He cannot cite a single post of mine that is racist.

In his view, all who want immigration enforcement are racists.

ebrown,

Just a FYI, but it wasnt the repubs that first mentioned Willie Horton.
It was Al Gore, when he first ran for the Presidency.

Let me explain for those who don't understand what is going on.

The dark-skinned sexual predator is the mother of all racial stereotypes-- and one that has been used to great effect since the beginning of the country. It goes along with other stereotypes-- youth gangs, crime, disease and uneducatablitily are always trotted out as well, but the sexual predator is the most cruel (and many African or Hispanic American men will tell you who it feel to have strangers shy away from them simply because their appearence matches these stereotypes).

Of course in modern times-- no one wants to be called "racist", and so these stereotypes take on a new meaning.

Often there is a disagreement between conservatives and people of color about whether things like the Willie Horton ad, or the Katrina response, or the Jena Six conviction are racist or not. But many people of color notice bitterly that Willie Horton fit the stereotype of crazy dark skinned sexual predator just well (he was no blue eyed college student)

But, these are things that people of color are always accused of-- from crime to disease to sexual predation, and Advocate uses all of these in his posts attacking "illegals". And let's not play this game that "illegals" aren't people of color. When Advocate raises the spectre of the "illegal immigrant Sexual predator" he is not talking about Irish nannies.

When Advocate wrote these posts I let them pass. I figured he was another Ted Nugent fan... either he didn't understand the reason that these were damaging racial stereotypes-- or he didn't care.

But then, Advocate started doing something quite odd. He started using phrases and ideas taken from black nationalism. That is why he started using the "people of color" phrase.

Advocate is playing both sides of the race card.

Talk to Advocate about any African-American issue -- the war on drugs, Affirmative Action, the Jena Six-- on any of these issues I am sure that Advocate will be able to point out how racism and racist stereotypes are used.

But Advocate is perfectly willing to use the very same types of racist sterotypes on the immigration issue.

What angers me is not that Advocate opposes illegal immigration. He goes much further than that to racist code words and fear mongering. But Advocate is perfectly willing to use the very same types of racist sterotypes against people of color on the immigration issue.

Mysteryman, the reason for my particular anger here is the hypocrisy-- if he thinks playing to race based fears and stereotypes is an acceptable political strategy then he can't complain when they are used against any group.

Given the damage these stereotypes have done to communites and people of color, I can't believe anyone with any knowledge of race in America would accept this.

We should all be Ted Nugent fans. He's one of the few people in the mainstream media making sense.