xingu wrote:okie wrote:If racism is the subject, it is the pro-illegal folks that need to be scrutinized. How come they want their little slaves here to do work that nobody else will do? How often have we heard that, that nobody else will do the work? Well, maybe it is because they aren't being paid wages and being treated like the rest of us. I say, lets end that arrangement and make everybody equal instead of keeping those people on the plantation.
First of all they are not slaves. They get paid wages. They work along side legal immigrants. They can make a living here and are still able to send money back home. There is large amount of money leaving this country and going to Latin America. So to say they are under slave conditions is outright stupid.
I suppose as an alternative we should not hire illegal immigrants but increase salaries so Americans who would not work for such wages will get the jobs. Well then what do you think will happen to our infrastructure? How much increase in cost will there be to maintain our bridges, roads and everything else local governments have to maintain, as demanded by people like you? Would you be willing to accept the increase in taxes necessary to pay the higher wages?
You have unwittingly admitted the truth of the flaws of your thinking. You have admitted that illegals are essentially propping up our lifestyle because they are willing to work for less than citizens are. You have essentially admitted that I am correct, and it is a point that is abundantly obvious. Yes, my opinion is that we should be willing to pay the wages necessary to attract labor from legal citizens, and immigrants should come here legally and be treated equally. Unequal treatment is essentially wrong and prejudiced. We should be ashamed of the fact that this should even need to be debated.
Quote:Depending on the source it is estimated there are 7 to 20 million illegals in America from most all countries in the world. If we had enough jobs for legals only than there should be 7 to 20 million unemployed illegals. However I suspect most all of them are employed at one time or another so if we shipped them all out, very unrealistic I might add, who will take their places? If born Americans are not going to be our "little slaves to do work that nobody else will do" than who?
You should appreciate illegals. They keep the cost down, they do the work "nobody else will do" and they are benefitted by it. By your standards they may get "slave" wages but it's a lot better than what they would get back home.
To correct your misconceptions, it is not me that wishes to keep them down. It is you. I want everybody to be here legally. We have no need to ship all of them out. If we punish employers, as has been pointed out numerous times, and require citizenship to gain employment, many or possibly most will return to their country of origin on their own. We could provide free transportation, and we could provide the advice and instructions on how to apply for legal entry. A non-criminal record and other screening must be undergone, just as the laws have always specified, as is totally reasonable by the way. As this process would be gradual, there would not be a huge shock to the labor force, but wages probably would need to rise to help cover the slight shock. I am proposing a very healthy legal immigration program whereby the people that have a good record and qualify can then gain full citizenship over time and of course all the full rights and respect as equals to everyone else.
In the meantime, criminals, drug dealers, gangsters, and potential terrorists can be weeded out with time. We will never catch all, but the atmosphere of more observance of laws will make it easier. Simply enforcing the law will lower the resentments that have been building for a good long time now, and politicians could once again gain some respect for actually enforcing the laws that they take an oath to uphold when they go to Washington.
And the illegals that are here now, once they are able to access the system in a legal way, will be proud and full equal participants in our society. Doing it in any other way will be very negative in terms of future effects upon society and the country.