dagmaraka wrote:okie wrote:I am in favor of the free market determining what wages will be paid, and what taxes will be paid to do it, based on everyone in the game being legal and all playing by the same rules. I suspect wages might increase, but I have no problem with that, if the market dictates. I don't know what will happen with taxes. If building roads, etc., as you say, costs more, fine, but it might be offset by all the goods and services now provided freely to illegals that will then be curtailed.
The beauty of my plan is simple. Legal and enforce the law. Lower the resentments of people that see the inequities, both citizens and illegals. Make illegals come here legally, they become proud citizens, and they will have wanted to become citizens, and we don't have people here just making some money to send back home. Yes if it costs more, I am willing to pay it. Self respect demands it and we should do it for the future and well being of the country.
that seems simple to you? it seems entirely unprobable to me. it's nice that you have no problems with paying for this 'plan', but nobody will ask you. the american citizenry will not pay. and who tries to make them, will sink.
"lower the resentments" - that's a plan?
how do you go about enforcing the law? should we send some commandos around from shop to shop, service to service? and who will pay for that? also you? if we do not do that, how do you propose to even find out who is violating the law?
how much would this plan end up costing? would it be less than legalizing those immigrants that are demonstrably working in the u.s.? the way for example france does every now and then? if yes, i'm all for it, but i doubt it.
i do agree that wages should be determined by the market and that the workers should be legal. but 'how to get there' differs. "sending them home" strikes me as unrealistic, avoidance of dealing wih the situation here and now.
How do I enforce the law.
No. 1, punish employers that illegally hire illegals, through the income tax system and other penalties. They will soon get the message after a few months.
No. 2, improve border security, and with fewer people trying to enter because of No. 1, it should become easier to manage.
No. 3, deal with illegals that are criminals in a better fashion, such as deporting them, and repeat offenders that return could be given stiffer penalties.
The details of No. 3 needs more study, but the No. 1 is my most important one, because if you dry up the demand, there will soon be much less desire to come here illegally. We need a good way to identify those people that do not have legal ids, after all - without that, how can an employer abide by all the right laws anyway? In other words, the government needs to provide a good way for employers to abide by the law.
We don't need to get real nasty with hard working illegals, and we can even provide free transportation back home and the best advice on how to apply for legal entry. If their work record is admirable, I would even consider giving them credit for that to expedite legal immigration, but for those that do not have the commendable record, no, they should be deported. I do not think deportation would be necessary for a great number at all. If we enforce No. 1, it would go a long way to improve the situation in a few months.
Lowering resentments is a huge issue, and yes, it is paramount to solving the problem for the long term, both for illegals and the citizenry. The problem has grown almost past being able to manage it, and the longer the politicians live in denial, the worse it becomes. The rule of law is all important.
