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Muslims in Denmark

Here is a preview of what is in store for America if we don't pay
attention
to what is happening in our country and elsewhere in the world.
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Salute the Danish Flag - it's a Symbol of Western Freedom-- By Susan
MacAllen
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In 1978-9 I was living and studying in Denmark .But in 1978 - even in
Copenhagen , one didn't see Muslim immigrants. The Danish population
embraced visitors, celebrated the exotic, went out of its way to protect
each of its citizens.
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It was proud of its new brand of socialist liberalism - one in
development
since the conservatives had lost power in 1929 - a system where no
worker
had to struggle to survive, where one ultimately could count upon the
state
as in, perhaps, no other western nat ion at the time. The rest of Europe
saw
the Scandinavians as free thinking, progressive and infinitely generous
in
their welfare policies. Denmark boasted low crime rates, devotion to the
environment, a superior educational system and a history of
humanitarianism.
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Denmark was also most generous in its immigration policies - it offered
the
best welcome in Europe to the new immigrant: generous welfare payments
from first arrival plus additional perks in transportation, housing and
education. It was determined to set a world example for inclusiveness
and
multiculturalism. How could it have predicted that one day in 2005 a
series
of political cartoons in a newspaper would spark violence that would
leave
dozens dead in the streets - all because its commitment to
multiculturalism
would come back to bite?
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By the 1990's the growing urban Muslim population was obvious - and its<BR>> unwillingness to integrate into Danish society was obvious. Years
of
immigrants had settled into Muslim-exclusive enclaves. As the Muslim
leadership became more vocal about what they considered the decadence of
Denmark 's liberal way of life, the Danes - once so welcoming - began to
feel slighted. Many Danes had begun to see Islam as incompatible with
their
long-standing values: belief in personal liberty and free speech, in
equality for women, in tolerance for other ethnic groups, and a deep
pride in Danish heritage and history.
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The New York Post in 2002 ran an article by Daniel Pipes and Lars
Hedegaard,
in which they forecasted accurately that the growing immigrant problem
in
Denmark would explode. In the article they reported:
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"Muslim immigrants constitute 5 percent of the population but consume
upwards of 40 percent of the welfare spending.""Muslims are onl y 4
percent
of Denmark 's 5.4 million people but make up a majority of the country's
convicted rapists, an especially combustible issue given that
practically
all the female victims are non-Muslim. Similarly, if lesser,
disproportions
are found in other crimes."
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"Over time, as Muslim immigrants increase in numbers, they wish less to
mix with the indigenous population. A recent survey finds that only 5
percent of young Muslim immigrants would readily marry a Dane."
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"Forced marriages - promising a newborn daughter in Denmark to a male
cousin
in the home country, then compelling her to marry him, sometimes on pain
of
death - are one problem."
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"Muslim leaders openly declare their goal of introducing Islamic law
once
Denmark 's Muslim population grows large enough - a not-that-remote
prospect. If present trends persist, one sociologist estimates, every
thir d
inhabitant of Denmark in 40 years will be Muslim."
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It is easy to understand why a growing number of Danes would feel that
Muslim immigrants show little respect for Danish values and laws. An
example
is the phenomenon common to other European countries and the U.S. : some
Muslims in Denmark who opted to leave the Muslim faith have been
murdered in
the name of Islam, while others hide in fear for their lives.
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Jews are also threatened and harassed openly by Muslim leaders in
Denmark ,
a country where once Christian citizens worked to smuggle out nearly all
of
their 7,000 Jews by night to Sweden - before the Nazis could invade. I
think
of my Danish friend Elsa - who as a teenager had dreaded crossing the
street
to the bakery every morning under the eyes of occupying Nazi soldiers -
and
I wonder what she would say today.
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In 2001, Denmark elected the most Conservative government in some 70
years - one that had some decidedly non-generous ideas about liberal
unfettered immigration.
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Today Denmark has the strictest immigration policies in Europe. ( Its
effort
to protect itself has been met with accusations of "racism" by liberal
media
across Europe - even as other governments struggle to right the social
problems wrought by years of too-lax immigration.)
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If you wish to become Danish, you must attend three years of language
classes. You must pass a test on Denmark 's history, culture, and a
Danish
language test. You must live in Denmark for 7 years before applying for
citizenship. You must demonstrate an intent to work, and have a job
waiting.
If you wish to bring a spouse into Denmark, you must both be over 24
years
of age, and you won't find it so easy anymore to move your friends and
family to Denmark with you. <BR>>
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You will not be allowed to build a mosque in Copenhagen. Although your
children have a choice of some 30 Arabic culture and language schools in
Denmark , they will be strongly encouraged to assimilate to Danish
society in ways that past immigrants weren't.
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In 2006, the Danish minister for employment, Claus Hjort Frederiksen,
spoke publicly of the burden of Muslim immigrants on the Danish welfare
system,
and it was horrifying: the government's welfare committee had calculated
that if immigration from Third World
countries were blocked, 75 percent of the cuts needed to sustain the
huge
welfare system in coming decades would be unnecessary. In other words,
the
welfare system as it existed was being exploited by immigrants to the
point
of eventually bankrupting the government. .
"We are simply forced to adopt a new policy on immigration. The
calculations
of the welfare committee are terrifying and show how unsuccessful the
integration of immigrants has been up to now," he said.
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A large thorn in the side of Denmark 's imams is the Minister of
Immigration
and Integration, Rikke Hvilshoj. She makes no bones about the new policy
toward immigration, "The number of foreigners coming to the country
makes a
difference," she says, "There is an inverse correlation between how
many
come here and how well we can receive the foreigners that come.
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" And on Muslim immigrants needing to demonstrate a willingness to
blend in,
"In my view, Denmark should be a country with room for different
cultures
and religions. Some values, however, are more important than others. We
refuse to question democracy, equal rights, and freedom of speech."
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Hvilshoj has paid a price for her show of backbone. Perhaps to test her
resolve, the leading radical imam in Denmark , Ahmed Abdel Rahman Abu
Laban demanded that the government pay blood money to the family of a
Muslim who was murdered in a suburb of Copenhagen , stating that the
family's thirst for revenge could be thwarted for money.
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When Hvilshoj dismissed his demand, he argued that in Muslim culture the
payment of retribution money was common, to which Hvilshoj replied that
what is done in a Muslim country is not necessarily what is done in
Denmark .
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The Muslim reply came soon after: her house was torched while she, her
husband and children slept. All managed to escape unharmed, but she and
her family were moved to a secret location and she and other ministers
were assigned bodyguards for the first time - in a country where such
murderous violence
was once so scarce. Her government has slid to the right, and her
borders
have tightened.
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Many believe that wh at happens in the next decade will determine
whether Denmark survives as a bastion of good living, humane thinking
and social responsibility, or whether it becomes a nation at civil war
with supporters of Sharia law.
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And meanwhile, Americans clamor for
stricter immigration policies, and demand an end to state welfare
programs
that allow many immigrants to live on the public dole.
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As we in America look at the enclaves of legal and illegal immigrants
among us, and see those who enter our shores too easily, dare live on
our taxes, yet refuse to embrace our culture, respect our traditions,
participate in our legal system, obey our laws, speak our language,
appreciate our history, WE WOULD DO WELL TO LOOK AT DENMARK, AND SAY A
PRAYER TO HER FUTURE AND FOR OUR OWN.

Hi gorgeous!
I know he hasn't been pardoned. But, to a certainty approaching 100%, he will be. Meant to suggest the future tense in my sentence there but it wasn't clear.

listened to PBS NEWS briefly tonight .
this week is devoted to reports from las vegas .
a representavive from the hospitality spoke about the large and increasing demand for workers in the hospitality industry - the numbers are pretty staggering .
he said that without an influx of immigrants - both legal AND UNDOCUMENTED (he didn't call them ILLEGAL !) - the gaming and hospitality industry would not survive .
btw he repeated his statements about needing BOTH legal AND UNDOCUMENTED workers !

rather interesting imo .
hbg

It's probably self-serving crap. What else would the person say? If they can't do things legally, they should fold.

EEEEEEEEEK!!!!!!

499 pages here? Has anyone suggested so far to enforce the law, or is that too novel of an idea?

of course it's self-serving , but i would also think that it is probably true .
las vegas being a money-machine for the state government ( and perhaps even the federal government ) , i doubt that ANY politician would be willing to see las vegas close up or even have to reduce it's operation .
would the citizens be happy to pay HIGHER taxes - i understand that nevada has NO individual income tax , is that correct ? - , praising the government that they got rid of "undocumented" immigrants ?

those happy to pay higher taxes please line up to the right

as the saying goes : SHOW ME THE (TAX) MONEY ! :wink:
hbg

Actually... about 497 of those pages have been exactly that.

You people tend to just say the same things over and over and over again.

well , i suggested HIGHER TAXES might help resolve the problem of illegal immigrants .
wouldn't every american citizen be happy to pay higher taxes for such a noble purpose :wink:
actually , if the taxes were really high , the illegals might prefer to stay in their home-countries to enjoy lower taxes there - isn't that a brilliant idea
hbg

As I recall, you were not among the few of us who wanted the law enforced. I recall you being a big apologist for the illegals and their employers.

Factually, I was advocating for the people, not for the employers.

Giving illegal people citizenship, and then getting them in unions, takes away the ability for unscrupulous employers to exploit them.

But... unless you have something to say about this that hasn't already been repeated 100 times in the past 499 pages (well yeah... I should probably not start in again either).

Advocate, do you really see the law enforced here? I mean, aside from
the couple of illegals that got deported, no one is addressing the illegal
immigration problem to the point that massive deportation initiatives are
started.

Now, we all know why - you probably don't - but perhaps you'll ask
yourself, why your government hasn't taken any steps here.

I don't think Advocate is proposing mass deportations.

I think the idea is to make the punishment for breaking immigration laws harsher and harsher until people stop breaking them.

After all, this is what worked in our war on drugs. As soon as we increased prison sentences... we soon found people stopped using drugs.

I know why - because the government is complicit in selling out its citizens for potential future votes. Fortunately, grassroots effort to do what the feds refuse to do are working. And we will continue to fight illegals at every turn. We shouldn't need to deport them - they should be willing to leave if asked. Take what you've learned here, go home, and restart your own economy. If they don't, then we shoot them. Period.

So simple it's stupid.

There are sooooooooooooo many of them. Be more efficient to gather them up and gas them. Think how well it worked 65 years ago

Were Jews in Germany illegally? No. Were they asked to leave? No. Apples to oranges.

Comparing illegals to Jews in Germany is an insult.

Further, the citizens of this country are as much or more to blame for illegals, by providing work at substandard wages and slave conditions. The solution to this problem is to crack down on employers with huge fines and tax penalties. With no jobs, many or most illegals will be forced to go home and re-apply for legal entry. With a healthy legal immigration policy, the problem could be fixed. Immigrants could then be legal and be treated with dignity and with equality to everyone else.

You miss my point cjhsa. I was trying to give you some help. To kill as many people as you would like to do would require some research into efficient methods. It's not a comparison between Jews and illegal immigrants. It's finding the most efficient method to do what you desire to do.

Remember the Nazis tried your simplistic method of shooting the Jews but found it to inefficient, as well as the fact that too many soldiers could not bring themselves to do it for any length of time. Hence concentration camps.

In other words cjhsa you have to take up the methods of those who think like you.

Which is apparently the majority of U.S. citizens. The ones the government isn't listening to.

I seriously doubt that. Poll America and ask if we should kill illegal immigrants that don't leave? And your going to tell me a majority will say kill them?