What should be done about illegal immigration?

This is the fallacy of so many Conservative positions.

Fallacy as opposed to selling out the country? I'll go with fallacy.

I noticed that about you, CJ.

I am planning on hiring some Mexican to plant trees for me, and after they are finished and hold out their grubby hands for their wages, which, by the way, was negotiated at 1.75 an hour -- at that point I pull out my gun and shoot them between the eyes and push them into the "extra tree holes" which I told them to dig.

I love this country.

That I won't back down? That I won't compromise on this? That our president is 100% wrong in his position on illegals? I don't mind that you've noticed.

Thanks for ruining California BTW. You might wanna teach some of your illegal buddies that the used toilet paper gets flushed here, not thrown in the waste basket.

cjhsa, you are not supposed to be involved in this conversation. Pack up your bags and head home.

Actually, gus... some of us like CJ here.

CJ expresses the anti-illegal-immigrant position better than anyone else here. I think he may even be changing minds.

Let's not chase him away so quickly.

Did you mean to type: anti-illegal-ignorant position?

I am picking up vibes here that some of you may be pro illegal immigration.

What can I say? Every single one of you is a goddamned communtist and I hope you burn in hell.

In truth, they are. They are willing to give to a group of decidedly undeserving immigrants what the citizens of the U.S. have fought and died for. I'll say it again, any kind of amnesty should include drafted service to the military for any and all of them under the age of 40, including their anchor babies.

See how many of them turn tail and swim back across the Rio Grande.

Just what did you fight and die for, CJ?

((I am an American citizen, and I haven't died for anything))

I have never said this before on this board, but.... I AM MEXICAN!!!

gus, Are you the one that married my niece in Sacramento?

I have some yard work I need done. $1.75/hour OK?

You are an American traitor. I called that years ago.

And somewhere out there in the vast unknown; there might be a second person dumb enough to agree.

Geezuz, all my brothers and I served in the US armed forces, and we're stll alive. Funny, how that works.

Another Bush bluster that he can get the immigration bill passed, or something rare in the current atmosphere in Washington DC that we are unaware of.


June 11, 2007
Bush Vows to Get Immigration Bill Passed
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
SOFIA, Bulgaria, June 11 ?- As he heads home from an eight-day European swing to face a hostile Congress, President Bush lashed out today at Democrats for scheduling a vote of no confidence on his attorney general, and vowed to get his stalled immigration legislation passed, saying, "I'll see you at the bill signing."

Addressing reporters at a news conference, Mr. Bush said the vote on Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales ?- which he called "a political statement on a meaningless resolution" ?- would have no bearing on Mr. Gonzales' future, no matter how it turns out.

"They can try to have their votes of no confidence, but it's not going to determine ?- make the determination who serves in my government," Mr. Bush said, adding, "This process has been drug out a long time, which says to me it's political."

Mr. Bush's plane took off bound for Washington late in the afternoon. His eight-day, six-country tour through Europe has been a welcome escape from his political woes at home. The president was mobbed with well-wishers on Sunday in Albania, and received a warm welcome today here in Bulgaria, where President George Purvanov hailed Mr. Bush's arrival as "very cogent proof of the fact that our two countries' relations are in their best state now in more than a hundred years of their establishment."

But while the president has been gone from Washington, his already diminished clout on Capitol hill has seemed to deteriorate further. The immigration bill was put on hold when Republicans revolted. He was forced to withdraw his nomination of General Peter Pace to be chairman of the military's joint chiefs of staff to avoid a bruising nomination fight. Mr. Bush put the blame on Congress.

And now Democrats, seeking to revive the controversy over Mr. Gonzales' role in the dismissal of federal prosecutors, have scheduled the no-confidence vote.

"It's an interesting comment about Congress, isn't it, that, on the one hand, they say that a good general shouldn't be reconfirmed, and on the other hand, they say that my Attorney General shouldn't stay," he said today. "And I find it interesting. I guess it reflects the political atmosphere of Washington."

On immigration, Mr. Bush is facing a backlash in his party's conservative wing, whose members decry the bill as amnesty. On Tuesday, he plans to attend the Senate Republican policy luncheon on Capitol Hill ?- a rare step for a president who typically has lawmakers come to him at the White House ?- in an effort to revive the measure.

"I'm under no illusions about how hard this is," he said, adding that he was disappointed that the measure had been "temporarily derailed."

The welcome Bush received in Albania may have gone to his head; nobody else has shown him any respect.

Congress wastes yet another day not accomplishing yet another plan that wouldn't have accomplished anything, anyway. WTF is wrong with these people.

I saw Tony Snow on the news this morning. This guy is the bomb. To hear him tell it; serious immigration reform will soon be a reality. I'd want this guy speaking for me too. I haven't seen a press secretary this immune to bad news since Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf. I miss that guy. What happened to him?