What should be done about illegal immigration?

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But while the president has been gone from Washington, his already diminished clout on Capitol hill has seemed to deteriorate further. The immigration bill was put on hold when Republicans revolted.

Ms. Stolberg seems unaware that eleven Democrats and one Independent voted against cloture, while seven Republicans voted for it.

Also to be noted - one of the key triggers for the provisions of the immigration bill (the current one or any bill, for that matter) is the building of at least 300 miles of fence along the southern border. That, along with the other triggers necessary for implementation, is at least 18 months away. Construction of the fence hasn't been halted as a result of the latest vote and development of the verification software is at least as many months away.

A compromise can still be reached. I've let my representatives (and many others) know of my concerns with the bill in its current form. They seem to agree and have acted accordingly.

From what I've read, there was very little feedback in the form of support from Democrats contacting their representatives, and as the Rasmussen poll points out, there was overwhelming opposition to this bill from both camps.

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I don't understand what the fence is for. Is that to keep the 20-30M illegals from going back home?

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cjhsa wrote:

I don't understand what the fence is for. Is that to keep the 20-30M illegals from going back home?

Certainly: the Canadians have to go North, others\ foreign nationals have to cross either the Atlantic or Pacific ...

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cjhsa wrote:

I don't understand what the fence is for. Is that to keep the 20-30M illegals from going back home?

There will be plenty of gates from which they can exit. Unfortunately, not many will try to exit.

Somebody pointed out that citizens have to have a passport to get back into the USA. Illegals, however, can just walk (or run) in.

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ebrown_p wrote:

You do understand what compromise means, don't you mysterman?

By definition, a compromise contains something for each side of the debate.

mysteryman wrote:

You are right,a compromise will be good for the country.

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So,I wont support a new plan that allows amnesty.

'nuff said.

So,should you compromise?
What if that requires the part about a "path to citizenship" to be given up for the bill to pass?
Would you be OK with that?
After all,to compromise means to give up something.

So,would you be willing to give up the parts of the bill you like to get rid of the parts you dont like?

If you answer no to any of those questions,then you are unwilling to compromise,arent you?

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ebrown_p wrote:

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... but like most Americans I think [we should]....

This is the fallacy of so many Conservative positions.

So,you dont suppport enforcing the current laws before we write new ones?

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Senators work to revive immigration bill

By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS, Associated Press Writer
33 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Key Republican and Democratic senators are reaching for a deal to resurrect their stalled immigration compromise by requiring that some $4 billion be spent on border security and workplace enforcement.

The mandatory security funding is part of a plan to attract more Republican support for the measure, which grants legal status to millions of unlawful immigrants.

In private meetings Wednesday, the bipartisan group that crafted the delicate compromise was hammering out a plan to allow votes on a limited set of Republican- and Democratic-sought changes in exchange for a commitment from GOP holdouts that they will back moving ahead with the bill.

Republican architects of the measure, which grants legal status to millions of unlawful immigrants, expressed confidence that such an agreement was possible as early as Thursday.

"The list is there," said Sen. Mel Martinez (news, bio, voting record), R-Fla., adding that GOP senators were ready to present their plan to Senate leaders.

With the tentative package, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record) "should have what he needs to move forward," said Sen. Jon Kyl (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz. "This is just to let him know that it can be done."

Reid has said he would revive the measure if at least 20 more Republicans commit to moving ahead with the broad immigration bill. It stalled last week when only seven GOP senators supported a Democratic bid to limit debate and expedite a final vote.

Reid expressed optimism that negotiators would strike a deal that could pave the way.

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mysteryman wrote:

ebrown_p wrote:
You do understand what compromise means, don't you mysterman?

By definition, a compromise contains something for each side of the debate.

mysteryman wrote:

You are right,a compromise will be good for the country.

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So,I wont support a new plan that allows amnesty.

'nuff said.

So,should you compromise?
What if that requires the part about a "path to citizenship" to be given up for the bill to pass?
Would you be OK with that?
After all,to compromise means to give up something.

So,would you be willing to give up the parts of the bill you like to get rid of the parts you dont like?

If you answer no to any of those questions,then you are unwilling to compromise,arent you?

Sure. I am open to compromise -- as long it is fair (i.e. I am getting as much out of the deal as you are).

What do you suggest?

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That citizens of the US get the US, and those here illegally go back where they came from. Fair enough.

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cjhsa wrote:

That citizens of the US get the US, and those here illegally go back where they came from. Fair enough.

CJ, I don't think compromise is your strong suit.

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Certain immigrant and religious groups are currently touring the country with stories of immigrant success. But it is pretty one-sided. They don't cover the immigrants who become members of vicious gangs, sell drugs, go to prison, soak up state and national taxpayer-funded benefits, etc.

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Advocate, In all fairness, we have born and bred American gangs too. Since it's the fed's responsibility to secure our borders, and they have failled, I really can't see blaming illegal immigrant gangs to illegals. Crime is an international problem, and very few countries are immune.

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Advocate wrote:

Certain immigrant and religious groups are currently touring the country with stories of immigrant success. But it is pretty one-sided. They don't cover the immigrants who become members of vicious gangs, sell drugs, go to prison, soak up state and national taxpayer-funded benefits, etc.

Advocate complaining that pro-immigrant groups are "one-sided".

Funny.

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ebrown_p wrote:

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Sure. I am open to compromise -- as long it is fair (i.e. I am getting as much out of the deal as you are).

...........

This definition of "fairness" covers the case in which a burglar breaks into a house, collects all valuables, then offers half of them back to the homeowner because...............

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(i.e. I am getting as much out of the deal as you are).

Love this concept, tks Smile

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Advocate, In all fairness, we have born and bred American gangs too. Since it's the fed's responsibility to secure our borders, and they have failled, I really can't see blaming illegal immigrant gangs to illegals. Crime is an international problem, and very few countries are immune.

I didn't say otherwise, and it is implicit that citizens are very imperfect. I just want to remind readers that illegal immigration has a very definite downside.

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And I want to remind readers that immigration (both legal and illegal) has a very big upside.

Advocate, you lost all credibility on this topic because you clearly exaggerate the "downside".

You have made claims about illegal immigration that are clearly false.

(Fear mongering is best left to Republicans).

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ebrown_p wrote:

cjhsa wrote:
That citizens of the US get the US, and those here illegally go back where they came from. Fair enough.

CJ, I don't think compromise is your strong suit.

I refuse to negotiate with terrorists and criminals.

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I refuse to negotiate with facists or bigots.

((My hope is there are enough people in middle to negotiate something other than the status quo)).

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ebrown_p wrote:

I refuse to negotiate with facists or bigots.

((My hope is there are enough people in middle to negotiate something other than the status quo)).

You have nothing to negotiate.

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We (the millions of Americans and legal immigrants who are fighting for immigrant rights) have millions of votes.

The fact you are blocking immigration reform means nothing is being done. Think of all the "anchor babies" that you are not preventing from being born.

The irony is that in just 18 years they get to vote. I don't think they are going to forget what you conservatives said about them and their parents.

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