What should be done about illegal immigration?

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The simple FACT is; the majority of illegals would like to "follow the dang rules"...

How is that possible if they start their pursuit of the "American dream" and how can they want to "follow the dang rules" if they start by doing something illegal?

Tell me Bill, how many beaners do you have working for you now that has made you so sensitive to their plight? Bet you save a lot of money paying them under the table and not providing health insurance for them, huh? Don't need to worry about immigration because for every one caught, you can find 2 to replace them to wash those dishes.

For the ultra-sensitive of you that will now complain endlessly about my use of the word "beaner", I had not heard that until Carlos Mencia started his show on comedy central, so if you got a complaint, take it to him.

Bill seems to be for an open, revolving door on our borders. Let anyone in and police their actions as we can. I say that's complete and utter bullshite. No country that I know of has an open immigration policy and to suggest that the US should start is a bad idea.

Actually, I find a guest worker program quite fair to all parties involved.
As it stands now, a lot of migrant workers have no rights at all, they work
for peanuts and don't receive any benefits. A guest worker program would allow them benefits and get at least minimum wage.

Yes I know Bill, you pay above minimum wage, but you're not the norm,
others exploit these poor people, and there is nothing they can do. Take it or leave it, is the motto of some employers.

We just cannot use them as cheap laborers and not give them the well
deserved benefits.

Besides that, what solution do you have in mind, Bill?

mysteryman wrote:

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The simple FACT is; the majority of illegals would like to "follow the dang rules"...

How is that possible if they start their pursuit of the "American dream" and how can they want to "follow the dang rules" if they start by doing something illegal?

You say that as if they had the option to immigrate legally. Do you really think the majority of illegal aliens wouldn't have preferred to simply get their passports stamped at the border, instead of the sometimes death defying paths they took? For the majority; the only choice was whether or not to remain in poverty indefinitely, or cross illegally. I'm pretty sure what I'd choose. What would you choose?

OCCOM BILL wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Quote:

The simple FACT is; the majority of illegals would like to "follow the dang rules"...

How is that possible if they start their pursuit of the "American dream" and how can they want to "follow the dang rules" if they start by doing something illegal?

You say that as if they had the option to immigrate legally. Do you really think the majority of illegal aliens wouldn't have preferred to simply get their passports stamped at the border, instead of the sometimes death defying paths they took? For the majority; the only choice was whether or not to remain in poverty indefinitely, or cross illegally. I'm pretty sure what I'd choose. What would you choose?

If they had a passport,the price of a visa is only $75 American at almost any US Embassy.
If they dont have a passport,then they can still get a visa,it just takes a little longer.

Since all of you seem to want to be "fair",and since a large part of the illegal immigrants come from Mexico,lets do this.

Lets look at how the Mexican govt says they will deal with illegals coming into Mexico,and then make our laws regarding illegal immigrants from Mexico mirror theirs.
That way,they are getting the same treatment that their home govt gives to illegals.

We could do that with EVERY country.
What could be more fair then that?

mysteryman wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Quote:

The simple FACT is; the majority of illegals would like to "follow the dang rules"...

How is that possible if they start their pursuit of the "American dream" and how can they want to "follow the dang rules" if they start by doing something illegal?

You say that as if they had the option to immigrate legally. Do you really think the majority of illegal aliens wouldn't have preferred to simply get their passports stamped at the border, instead of the sometimes death defying paths they took? For the majority; the only choice was whether or not to remain in poverty indefinitely, or cross illegally. I'm pretty sure what I'd choose. What would you choose?

If they had a passport,the price of a visa is only $75 American at almost any US Embassy.
If they dont have a passport,then they can still get a visa,it just takes a little longer.

Since all of you seem to want to be "fair",and since a large part of the illegal immigrants come from Mexico,lets do this.

Lets look at how the Mexican govt says they will deal with illegals coming into Mexico,and then make our laws regarding illegal immigrants from Mexico mirror theirs.
That way,they are getting the same treatment that their home govt gives to illegals.

We could do that with EVERY country.
What could be more fair then that?

Making you wear a dunce cap for asking such a stupid question (again). You never answered my question: What would YOU do if YOUR family was hungry and YOU were on the other side of the line? Would you tell them to shut up and deal with it, because you won't trespass to take that job with your brother? What do you tell that crying baby? What would YOU do?

Its not unfair to use other countries laws against their own citizens.

OCCOM BILL wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Quote:

The simple FACT is; the majority of illegals would like to "follow the dang rules"...

How is that possible if they start their pursuit of the "American dream" and how can they want to "follow the dang rules" if they start by doing something illegal?

You say that as if they had the option to immigrate legally. Do you really think the majority of illegal aliens wouldn't have preferred to simply get their passports stamped at the border, instead of the sometimes death defying paths they took? For the majority; the only choice was whether or not to remain in poverty indefinitely, or cross illegally. I'm pretty sure what I'd choose. What would you choose?

If they had a passport,the price of a visa is only $75 American at almost any US Embassy.
If they dont have a passport,then they can still get a visa,it just takes a little longer.

Since all of you seem to want to be "fair",and since a large part of the illegal immigrants come from Mexico,lets do this.

Lets look at how the Mexican govt says they will deal with illegals coming into Mexico,and then make our laws regarding illegal immigrants from Mexico mirror theirs.
That way,they are getting the same treatment that their home govt gives to illegals.

We could do that with EVERY country.
What could be more fair then that?

Making you wear a dunce cap for asking such a stupid question (again). You never answered my question: What would YOU do if YOUR family was hungry and YOU were on the other side of the line? Would you tell them to shut up and deal with it, because you won't trespass to take that job with your brother? What do you tell that crying baby? What would YOU do?

Its not unfair to use other countries laws against their own citizens.

As to your hypothetical question,its not possible to answer that.
I have never been in that situation,and unless you have its not possible to answer it.

I know that I would do whatever it took to support my family,and I hope it would be short of breaking the law.

Bill, you really shouldn't refer to others as stupid and bigots. Your unsupported statements that we can take in, without pain, billions more, and solve all clean water problems with desalination, are incredibly stupid.

Its not unfair to use other countries laws against their own citizens.

MM wrote:

Its not unfair to use other countries laws against their own citizens.

correct, it's just stupid.