What should be done about illegal immigration?

OCCOM BILL wrote:

Girl, don't go away mad, Girl, just go away...

You were called imbecile for over the line bigotry (attacking a man for a Hispanic last name? You thought that was cool? Are you sh!tting me?). If I were a gambling man; I'd wager neither of those will be retracted until after you make amends. REPENT! And thou shall be saved. Poker anyone?

They said. They said. Repent. Repent. I wonder what they meant.

Cohen, isn't that a jewish name?

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You don't know me from the wind
you never will, you never did
I'm the little jew
who wrote the Bible
I've seen the nations rise and fall
I've heard their stories, heard them all
but love's the only engine of survival
Your servant here, he has been told
to say it clear, to say it cold:
It's over, it ain't going
any further
And now the wheels of heaven stop
you feel the devil's riding crop
Get ready for the future:
it is murder
Leonard Cohen

(figured you'd get that one)

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OCCOM BILL

What the F**K message are you trying to convey with your posted ditty

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It is more than a bit over the top for someone who thinks our population could be increased by about 1,000 percent without any effect to call someone else an imbecile.

I did not make fun of anyone's last name.

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Don't worry boys. They play the race card when the rest of their arguments are so blown full of holes that it even embarasses them to keep repeating them.

The bottom line is

1) Nobody dislikes, opposes, has any problems with, is bigoted towards, prejudiced toward etc. etc. etc. Hispanics. For the "open the borders and let everybody in no questions asked' group to continue to say that just keeps repeating the lie and makes them look more and more irrational (and dishonest).

2) Several of us do have problems with people who happen to be Hispanic or any other race/ethnic group/country of origin etc. who think they are somehow entitled to thumb their noses at U.S. laws and do.

3) Based on the poll on this thread, MOST of us want the law to be enforced.

4) Based on the comments in the thread, I don't see anybody objecting to the laws being improved and/or repaired to allow most to get what they want LEGALLY.

5) Only the numbnuts think it is a good idea to reward people for breaking the law.
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--Foxfyre

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I?-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

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Foxfyre:

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Nobody dislikes, opposes, has any problems with, is bigoted towards, prejudiced toward etc. etc. etc. Hispanics

There, people - Foxfyre says nobody has any of these kinds of problems with Hispanics. That should settle the hell out of it.

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Thank you Snood. I'm glad somebody here has some common sense.

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Pardon me for digressing however I have a question for Browne concerning his avatar.
Your avatar if I am not mistaken is a photo of Tancredo who takes a stand diametrically opposite to yours on illegal immigration and much else. Is there some significance in that choice, is it a message of some kind?Or just a coincidence?

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Foxfyre wrote:

Thank you Snood. I'm glad somebody here has some common sense.

No problem. You care to issue similar edicts, proclaiming nobody also has any problems with Blacks and Asians?

That would be an additional load off of all our minds.

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snood wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Thank you Snood. I'm glad somebody here has some common sense.

No problem. You care to issue similar edicts, proclaiming nobody also has any problems with Blacks and Asians?

That would be an additional load off of all our minds.

Certainly. I don't believe a single person arguing on the pro-enforcement side of this debate has any problem whatsoever with Blacks or Africans or Asians or Japanese or Causasians or Italians or Irish or Native Americans or dwarfs or very tall people or short, fat, thin, or polka dot or accordian players or anybody who is appropriately subject to any particular descriptive label.

According to their posts, I do know those arguing on the pro-enforcement side of this debate have a problem with Caucasians, Blacks, Asians, Italians, Irish, Native Americans. . . .etc, etc. etc. who presume to come to this country illegally and thumb their noses at our laws. None of the pro-enforcement group argues that pockets of racism do not continue to exist in this country. We simply reject that racism is an issue in the immigration debate.

I don't know whether ebrown is Hispanic for instance and I don't care one way or the other. I disagree with his views on this subject though he has been at least somewhat more reasonable than Obill; however both presume to use the race card to make their argument and they are both 100% off base when they do that.

I believe I am the only one posting who can boast a rather large group of relatives of Mexican and/or other Hispanic origins--other than our Mexican friends who chime in from time to time I mean. I think it would not be credible to my family or my Hispanic, Black, Muslim, and Native American neighbors, employees, coworkers, and members of my church to hear that I was bigoted toward anybody based on race, ethnicity, or national origin. I am blessed to live in a very ethnically diverse part of the country and love it.

My prejudice is reserved for those who presume to be a-holes in various ways. And as I've lived probably longer than any of the rest of you, I can speak with considerable experience that those come in all genders, sizes, and colors too.
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--Foxfyre

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I?-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

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au1929 wrote:

Pardon me for digressing however I have a question for Browne concerning his avatar.
Your avatar if I am not mistaken is a photo of Tancredo who takes a stand diametrically opposite to yours on illegal immigration and much else. Is there some significance in that choice, is it a message of some kind?Or just a coincidence?

You are not mistaken, and I am glad someone finally noticed.

I am a strong supporter of Tancredo for the fact he makes the issues involved in the immigration debate so clear to all.

A while ago I posted my strong support for Tancredo's presidencial candidacy.

ebrown wrote:

I love Tancredo for the impact he has on public debate. As the self-proclaimed leader of the anti-"illegal"-immigrant movement, he has the ability to change the minds of people who hear him more than I could ever hope to. Liberals try to claim that the immigration issue is tied up with racism, but Tancredo settles this issue unquestionably.

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As an aside a question, Foxfyre, re your names of "races":

- I'd thought, you Americans use the term Causasian for people of Europian origin. (Here, in Europe, Causcasians are people from the region of the Caucasus´.) Are Italinas, Irish not part of those? Or Spaniards and Portuguese?

- 'Hispanics' are originally those from the Hispanic peninsula. I think, it's used in the USA for people from former Spanish colonies as well. Why do you name Mexicans specially?

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Foxfyre wrote:

I disagree with his views on this subject though he has been at least somewhat more reasonable than Obill;

I have never been so insulted since I have joined A2K.

Please retract this Foxfyre.

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Browne
Tancredo response. Can't quite understand your reasoning. or support of Tancredo.

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Do you have a problem with Europeans being included in the human race, Walter?

Caucasian is the common term used by most people here as a designation of people with 'white' skin from anywhere unless they are of some other race. We all know that the color of skin can only help us guess a person's race. And probably somewhere back when there was only one race from which we all descended.

From Merriam Webster:
Main Entry: Cau·ca·sian
Function: adjective
Pronunciation: ko -'kA-zh&n, kä- also -'ka-zh&n
1 : of or relating to the Caucasus or its inhabitants
2 : of, constituting, or characteristic of a race of humankind native to Europe, North Africa, and southwest Asia and classified according to physical features -- used especially in referring to persons of European descent having usually light skin pigmentation

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Foxfire
You must remember you are in the midst of a wild liberal crowd. Words alone are not sufficient what is needed is a whip and a chair. Lots of luck. Rolling Eyes

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ebrown_p wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:

I disagree with his views on this subject though he has been at least somewhat more reasonable than Obill;

I have never been so insulted since I have joined A2K.

Please retract this Foxfyre.

In your dreams. Oh wait....let's think.....you've been less reasonable than Obill? Hmmm. Well, in the interest of harmony I'll take that under advisement.

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Foxfyre wrote:

Do you have a problem with Europeans being included in the human race, Walter?

Well, no. Why do you think so?

I was just asking because the differences you made (Caucasian AND Irish AND Italians).

And what is the difference in the use of Mexican and Hispanic.

au: could YOU give me a hint what these questions have to do with 'liberal'???

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Do you have a problem with Europeans being included in the human race, Walter?

Well, no. Why do you think so[/quote

Oh I don't know. I guess because we've had this discussion before and you still made an issue of the semantics.

[quote]I was just asking because the differences you made (Caucasian AND Irish AND Italians).

So far as I know, most Irish, Italians, and Hispanics are Caucasian, as most Americans define caucasian, though there will frequently be identifiable ethnic distinctions between these and still other groups. My 'list' was intended to illustrate that the pro-enforcement group includes everybody in their policy rather than one specific group, but I suppose that was too subtle a distinction for some.

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And what is the difference in the use of Mexican and Hispanic.

No difference except that all Hispanics are not Mexican nor are all Mexicans Caucasian or even of Hispanic origin. "Mexican" to me identifies citizens of a particular country, not people of a particular 'race'.

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foxfyre wrote:

My prejudice is reserved for those who presume to be a-holes in various ways. And as I've lived probably longer than any of the rest of you, I can speak with considerable experience that those come in all genders, sizes, and colors too.

presumptive to a degree not often found in rational society.

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