What should be done about illegal immigration?

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Babies born to illegal immigrants with some hope or belief that the child will help them to remain in the country of their choice is tough to repeatedly type.

Not to forget the terrorists:

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the infamous terrorist, Yaser Esam Hamdi (of Hamdi v. Rumsfield fame) was an anchor baby born to Saudi parents who were working in the United States on temporary work visas.

Spurce

Doing some resaearch, I've learnt now that the 14th Amendment is mostly interpreted with an "anchor baby syndrom".
source: Conservative Times

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I guess NBC stands for Nativist-Bigot-Corporation

Anchor Babies

The argument about this term is ridiculous.

If it is so terrible, provide us with an alternative.

Babies born to illegal immigrants with some hope or belief that the child will help them to remain in the country of their choice is tough to repeatedly type.
Now you're pushing it. Poor, uneducated African Americans, living in the ghetto gets tiresome too. Much easier to just say niggers... or do you know an alternative word?

The difference being that "nigger" doesn't have a real word meaning other then what people what it to mean.

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Am I understanding correctly that some here have never heard the term "anchor baby" before?

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Baldimo wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I guess NBC stands for Nativist-Bigot-Corporation

Anchor Babies

The argument about this term is ridiculous.

If it is so terrible, provide us with an alternative.

Babies born to illegal immigrants with some hope or belief that the child will help them to remain in the country of their choice is tough to repeatedly type.
Now you're pushing it. Poor, uneducated African Americans, living in the ghetto gets tiresome too. Much easier to just say niggers... or do you know an alternative word?

The difference being that "nigger" doesn't have a real word meaning other then what people what it to mean.

Neither does Anchor Baby.

Next lame excuse, c'mon down....

Cycloptichorn

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Baldimo wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I guess NBC stands for Nativist-Bigot-Corporation

Anchor Babies

The argument about this term is ridiculous.

If it is so terrible, provide us with an alternative.

Babies born to illegal immigrants with some hope or belief that the child will help them to remain in the country of their choice is tough to repeatedly type.
Now you're pushing it. Poor, uneducated African Americans, living in the ghetto gets tiresome too. Much easier to just say niggers... or do you know an alternative word?

The difference being that "nigger" doesn't have a real word meaning other then what people what it to mean.

You must be joking.

[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger#Etymology_and_history]Wikipedia[/URL] wrote:

The Spanish word negro originates from the Latin word niger, meaning black. In English, negro or neger became negar and finally nigger, most likely under influence of French nègre (also derived from the Latin niger).

That's a word as real as they come, in my book, with a history of more then two millennia. (It's an entirely different matter of how people would use the word today. But still, it's a pretty "real" word.)

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

Neither does Anchor Baby.

Next lame excuse, c'mon down....

Cycloptichorn

Well, I disagree. "Nigger" is a word with a history.

"Anchor baby" is a made up term, coined by a bunch of people with a clear agenda, and in that regard very similar to terms like "collateral damage", "extraordinary rendition" or "special interrogation".

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Baldimo wrote:

OCCOM BILL wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I guess NBC stands for Nativist-Bigot-Corporation

Anchor Babies

The argument about this term is ridiculous.

If it is so terrible, provide us with an alternative.

Babies born to illegal immigrants with some hope or belief that the child will help them to remain in the country of their choice is tough to repeatedly type.
Now you're pushing it. Poor, uneducated African Americans, living in the ghetto gets tiresome too. Much easier to just say niggers... or do you know an alternative word?

The difference being that "nigger" doesn't have a real word meaning other then what people what it to mean.

Not true... It just happens to be the finest example of why the simplicity angle doesn't absolve the term of its derogatory nature.

[url=http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=nigger]Merriam-Webster[/url] wrote:

nigger
One entry found for nigger.

Main Entry: nigger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.

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old europe wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:
Neither does Anchor Baby.

Next lame excuse, c'mon down....

Cycloptichorn

Well, I disagree. "Nigger" is a word with a history.

"Anchor baby" is a made up term, coined by a bunch of people with a clear agenda, and in that regard very similar to terms like "collateral damage", "extraordinary rendition" or "special interrogation".

All I mean is that no word actually 'means' anything. All meanings are assumed. So to say that 'anchor baby' is any different, is incorrect.

Cycloptichorn

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OCCOM BILL wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
Wikipedia is not the only source to provide a definition or where the term comes from.

The very first line in Wikipedia, however, is "Anchor Baby is a pejorative term." Right there you can figure whoever wrote the article was out to make an ideological statement and that makes it all at least suspect.
Or, if you're not bent on denying you didn't know it was a pejorative term, likely because your prefer biased pseudo-facts from defamatory websites; you could just figure it is a pejorative term.

So you are now on the record that Answers.com, Yahoo Help, MSNBC, Frontpage etc. are all biased pseudo-facts defamatory websites? You won't mind if I point that out the next time you use one of these sites as illustration for your own point of view?

I am getting plenty tired of other people dictating what words people are allowed to use and what words they are not especially when the words are simply intended to condense a 10 to 20 word phrase into one. I am double tired of sanctimonious, judgmental, bigoted, narrow minded and just flat stupid people trying to dictate what subjects are acceptable to talk about and what subjects are not.

There are a lot of words that are not used in polite or civil society and there are words that are intended to demean, defame, and denigrate. Anchor baby is not one of those words to most people who use it and I am not going to allow you or anybody else dictate to me what I mean when I use it.

If you presume to be one of the leftwing wackos who thinks they are sufficiently morally superior to judge everybody else, knock yourself out.

But you are wrong on this issue and no amount of denying the facts or avoiding information that doesn't fit with your own sanctimonious view will change that.
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--Foxfyre

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I?-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

old europe wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Neither does Anchor Baby.

Next lame excuse, c'mon down....

Cycloptichorn

Well, I disagree. "Nigger" is a word with a history.

"Anchor baby" is a made up term, coined by a bunch of people with a clear agenda, and in that regard very similar to terms like "collateral damage", "extraordinary rendition" or "special interrogation".

All I mean is that no word actually 'means' anything. All meanings are assumed. So to say that 'anchor baby' is any different, is incorrect.

Cycloptichorn

Well, certainly. But a word that has assumed the meaning of referring to the colour "black" more than 2000 years ago certainly is more of a "real word" than a propaganda term that a bunch of people came up with a couple of years ago at most...

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Foxfyre wrote:

So you are now on the record that Answers.com, Yahoo Help, MSNBC, Frontpage etc. are all biased pseudo-facts defamatory websites?

While answer.com gives the wiki entry, I really like Yahoo Help:

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Foxfyre wrote:

I am getting plenty tired of other people dictating what words people are allowed to use and what words they are not

Nobody has been trying to dictate what words you are allowed to use. But you have argued here that:

Foxfyre wrote:

I will note that you object to the term 'anchor baby' that is used pretty much universally and is in no way denigrating except that you choose to make it so. The term is just an honest and descriptive term rathert han having to say "a child born to a mother who entered the country illegally to have her baby here so that her child would be a U.S. citizen and she would thus be less likely to be deported."

You said that the term was used pretty much universally. You said that the term was in no way denigrating. You said that the term was honest and descriptive.

People, in turn, have argued that usage of that term was in no way universal, and that it was indeed defamatory and denigrating. You're twisting that into "other people dictating what words people are allowed to use".

And the funny thing is that you're the one who always complains about other posters misrepresenting what has been said...

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I have not said the term was used universally and you'll be unable to show where I have even suggested that. This is one misrepresentation of what I have said.

When the personally directed inference is that I am flat out bigoted, racist, defamatory, etc. etc. etc. because i use a term that I feel is quite acceptable to use, yes I do take that as somebody dictating to me what is and is not acceptable to say.

Now if you have an argument for that, let's hear it.

I do resent being mischaracterized in a dishonest way. I might even object to a term used by somebody and I am prepared to explain why. You won't find me presuming to tell other people who they are, what they mean, what they intend via their posts when they are not personally directing their remarks, however.
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--Foxfyre

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I?-
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
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McGentrix wrote:

Am I understanding correctly that some here have never heard the term "anchor baby" before?

Yes. Almost none of us have heard/read this term before. And as (was it?) cyclo noted earlier, it isn't as if we don't read a lot.

I doubt I could devise a better example to demonstrate the echo-chamber some of you folks live inside.

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Foxfyre wrote:

I have not said the term was used universally and you'll be unable to show where I have even suggested that. This is one misrepresentation of what I have said.

right in this post here:

Foxfyre wrote:

Obill, I will note that you object to the term 'anchor baby' that is used pretty much universally and is in no way denigrating except that you choose to make it so.

Again, here's the link --> click me

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Well since I got several hundred hits in a very cursory search, maybe those who have never heard the term anchor baby aren't as well read as they think? I posted several of those today. And by no means are all of them conservative biased sources.

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Oh, by the way:

old europe wrote:

And the funny thing is that you're the one who always complains about other posters misrepresenting what has been said...

and, in the following post:

Foxfyre wrote:

This is one misrepresentation of what I have said.

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old europe wrote:

Foxfyre wrote:
I have not said the term was used universally and you'll be unable to show where I have even suggested that. This is one misrepresentation of what I have said.

right in this post here:

Foxfyre wrote:
Obill, I will note that you object to the term 'anchor baby' that is used pretty much universally and is in no way denigrating except that you choose to make it so.

Again, here's the link --> click me

Okay I stand corrected on that one. I also misspoke. I should have added the phrase that it is used pretty much universally by those who are closely following immigration issues. But I didn't so you got me on that one.

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I will repeat it when you apologize for calling me a liar sometime back.

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Foxfyre wrote:

I have not said the term was used universally and you'll be unable to show where I have even suggested that. This is one misrepresentation of what I have said.

Since you only misspoke, you certainly can claim that we are unable to show where you even suggested such.

And you stood corrected for the other mentioning.

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