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What should be done about illegal immigration?

 
 
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 02:14 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:


Babies born to illegal immigrants with some hope or belief that the child will help them to remain in the country of their choice is tough to repeatedly type.



Not to forget the terrorists:
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the infamous terrorist, Yaser Esam Hamdi (of Hamdi v. Rumsfield fame) was an anchor baby born to Saudi parents who were working in the United States on temporary work visas.
Spurce

Doing some resaearch, I've learnt now that the 14th Amendment is mostly interpreted with an "anchor baby syndrom".
source: Conservative Times
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 02:43 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I guess NBC stands for Nativist-Bigot-Corporation

Anchor Babies

The argument about this term is ridiculous.

If it is so terrible, provide us with an alternative.

Babies born to illegal immigrants with some hope or belief that the child will help them to remain in the country of their choice is tough to repeatedly type.
Now you're pushing it. Poor, uneducated African Americans, living in the ghetto gets tiresome too. Much easier to just say niggers... or do you know an alternative word?


The difference being that "nigger" doesn't have a real word meaning other then what people what it to mean.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 02:47 pm
Am I understanding correctly that some here have never heard the term "anchor baby" before?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 03:24 pm
Baldimo wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I guess NBC stands for Nativist-Bigot-Corporation

Anchor Babies

The argument about this term is ridiculous.

If it is so terrible, provide us with an alternative.

Babies born to illegal immigrants with some hope or belief that the child will help them to remain in the country of their choice is tough to repeatedly type.
Now you're pushing it. Poor, uneducated African Americans, living in the ghetto gets tiresome too. Much easier to just say niggers... or do you know an alternative word?


The difference being that "nigger" doesn't have a real word meaning other then what people what it to mean.


Neither does Anchor Baby.

Next lame excuse, c'mon down....

Cycloptichorn
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 03:25 pm
Baldimo wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I guess NBC stands for Nativist-Bigot-Corporation

Anchor Babies

The argument about this term is ridiculous.

If it is so terrible, provide us with an alternative.

Babies born to illegal immigrants with some hope or belief that the child will help them to remain in the country of their choice is tough to repeatedly type.
Now you're pushing it. Poor, uneducated African Americans, living in the ghetto gets tiresome too. Much easier to just say niggers... or do you know an alternative word?


The difference being that "nigger" doesn't have a real word meaning other then what people what it to mean.


You must be joking.

[URL=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger#Etymology_and_history]Wikipedia[/URL] wrote:
The Spanish word negro originates from the Latin word niger, meaning black. In English, negro or neger became negar and finally nigger, most likely under influence of French nègre (also derived from the Latin niger).


That's a word as real as they come, in my book, with a history of more then two millennia. (It's an entirely different matter of how people would use the word today. But still, it's a pretty "real" word.)
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 03:33 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Neither does Anchor Baby.

Next lame excuse, c'mon down....

Cycloptichorn


Well, I disagree. "Nigger" is a word with a history.

"Anchor baby" is a made up term, coined by a bunch of people with a clear agenda, and in that regard very similar to terms like "collateral damage", "extraordinary rendition" or "special interrogation".
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 03:38 pm
Baldimo wrote:
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I guess NBC stands for Nativist-Bigot-Corporation

Anchor Babies

The argument about this term is ridiculous.

If it is so terrible, provide us with an alternative.

Babies born to illegal immigrants with some hope or belief that the child will help them to remain in the country of their choice is tough to repeatedly type.
Now you're pushing it. Poor, uneducated African Americans, living in the ghetto gets tiresome too. Much easier to just say niggers... or do you know an alternative word?


The difference being that "nigger" doesn't have a real word meaning other then what people what it to mean.
Not true... It just happens to be the finest example of why the simplicity angle doesn't absolve the term of its derogatory nature.

[url=http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=nigger]Merriam-Webster[/url] wrote:
nigger
One entry found for nigger.


Main Entry: nig•ger
Pronunciation: 'ni-g&r
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of earlier neger, from Middle French negre, from Spanish or Portuguese negro, from negro black, from Latin niger
1 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a black person
2 usually offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of any dark-skinned race
3 : a member of a socially disadvantaged class of persons <it>
usage Nigger in senses 1 and 2 can be found in the works of such writers of the past as Joseph Conrad, Mark Twain, and Charles Dickens, but it now ranks as perhaps the most offensive and inflammatory racial slur in English. Its use by and among blacks is not always intended or taken as offensive, but, except in sense 3, it is otherwise a word expressive of racial hatred and bigotry.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 03:40 pm
old europe wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Neither does Anchor Baby.

Next lame excuse, c'mon down....

Cycloptichorn


Well, I disagree. "Nigger" is a word with a history.

"Anchor baby" is a made up term, coined by a bunch of people with a clear agenda, and in that regard very similar to terms like "collateral damage", "extraordinary rendition" or "special interrogation".


All I mean is that no word actually 'means' anything. All meanings are assumed. So to say that 'anchor baby' is any different, is incorrect.

Cycloptichorn
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 03:41 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
Wikipedia is not the only source to provide a definition or where the term comes from.

The very first line in Wikipedia, however, is "Anchor Baby is a pejorative term." Right there you can figure whoever wrote the article was out to make an ideological statement and that makes it all at least suspect.
Laughing Or, if you're not bent on denying you didn't know it was a pejorative term, likely because your prefer biased pseudo-facts from defamatory websites; you could just figure it is a pejorative term. Idea
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 03:46 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
old europe wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Neither does Anchor Baby.

Next lame excuse, c'mon down....

Cycloptichorn


Well, I disagree. "Nigger" is a word with a history.

"Anchor baby" is a made up term, coined by a bunch of people with a clear agenda, and in that regard very similar to terms like "collateral damage", "extraordinary rendition" or "special interrogation".


All I mean is that no word actually 'means' anything. All meanings are assumed. So to say that 'anchor baby' is any different, is incorrect.

Cycloptichorn


Well, certainly. But a word that has assumed the meaning of referring to the colour "black" more than 2000 years ago certainly is more of a "real word" than a propaganda term that a bunch of people came up with a couple of years ago at most...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 03:49 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
So you are now on the record that Answers.com, Yahoo Help, MSNBC, Frontpage etc. are all biased pseudo-facts defamatory websites?


While answer.com gives the wiki entry, I really like Yahoo Help:

http://i12.tinypic.com/4ge9gdj.jpg
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 03:57 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I am getting plenty tired of other people dictating what words people are allowed to use and what words they are not


Nobody has been trying to dictate what words you are allowed to use. But you have argued here that:

Foxfyre wrote:
I will note that you object to the term 'anchor baby' that is used pretty much universally and is in no way denigrating except that you choose to make it so. The term is just an honest and descriptive term rathert han having to say "a child born to a mother who entered the country illegally to have her baby here so that her child would be a U.S. citizen and she would thus be less likely to be deported."


You said that the term was used pretty much universally. You said that the term was in no way denigrating. You said that the term was honest and descriptive.

People, in turn, have argued that usage of that term was in no way universal, and that it was indeed defamatory and denigrating. You're twisting that into "other people dictating what words people are allowed to use".

And the funny thing is that you're the one who always complains about other posters misrepresenting what has been said...
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 04:02 pm
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 04:06 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Am I understanding correctly that some here have never heard the term "anchor baby" before?


Yes. Almost none of us have heard/read this term before. And as (was it?) cyclo noted earlier, it isn't as if we don't read a lot.

I doubt I could devise a better example to demonstrate the echo-chamber some of you folks live inside.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 04:09 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I have not said the term was used universally and you'll be unable to show where I have even suggested that. This is one misrepresentation of what I have said.


right in this post here:

Foxfyre wrote:
Obill, I will note that you object to the term 'anchor baby' that is used pretty much universally and is in no way denigrating except that you choose to make it so.



Again, here's the link --> click me
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 04:10 pm
Well since I got several hundred hits in a very cursory search, maybe those who have never heard the term anchor baby aren't as well read as they think? I posted several of those today. And by no means are all of them conservative biased sources.
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old europe
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 04:10 pm
Oh, by the way:

old europe wrote:
And the funny thing is that you're the one who always complains about other posters misrepresenting what has been said...


and, in the following post:

Foxfyre wrote:
This is one misrepresentation of what I have said.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 04:12 pm
old europe wrote:
Foxfyre wrote:
I have not said the term was used universally and you'll be unable to show where I have even suggested that. This is one misrepresentation of what I have said.


right in this post here:

Foxfyre wrote:
Obill, I will note that you object to the term 'anchor baby' that is used pretty much universally and is in no way denigrating except that you choose to make it so.



Again, here's the link --> click me


Okay I stand corrected on that one. I also misspoke. I should have added the phrase that it is used pretty much universally by those who are closely following immigration issues. But I didn't so you got me on that one.
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Foxfyre
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 04:13 pm
I will repeat it when you apologize for calling me a liar sometime back.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 4 Apr, 2007 04:17 pm
Foxfyre wrote:
I have not said the term was used universally and you'll be unable to show where I have even suggested that. This is one misrepresentation of what I have said.


Since you only misspoke, you certainly can claim that we are unable to show where you even suggested such.

And you stood corrected for the other mentioning.
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