What should be done about illegal immigration?

"Southern North America"? Damn, that so confuses me. Even more when "North America" is just 15 minutes away... and it will actually be a time warp starting tomorrow! Ain't that cool?

But hey, people are still jumping the fence and... getting carried back here in a healthy percentage. But thats life for the poor folk and the only change they've seen so far is that Coyotes now seem to charge more. At least someone is seeing the benefits now!

The Hazleton rebellion

Local jurisdictions across the country, beginning in Hazleton, Pa., have decided they need to act to control crimes committed by illegal aliens in their towns. A variety of laws against illegals as tenants, against illegals as company employees, and in favor of English as the required language, have resulted.
The dimensions of the problem are clear. A recent Justice Department audit (reported in The Washington Times Jan. 9) revealed more than 70 percent of illegal aliens arrested in the U.S. had previously been arrested for five or more crimes. The crime problem is compounded when you add the financial costs of additional medical care, additional education and additional police and prisons, due to illegal aliens.
Everywhere local Hazleton-type laws have been proposed, or passed, the counterattack has come from the American Civil Liberties Union and its ally, the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund. They claim such laws are beyond the power of local government since immigration is solely a federal issue. They also say such laws discriminate, since most illegals are non-Caucasian and speak Spanish.
So far, the local or federal courts that have heard the cases have accepted one or the other of these arguments. Many local governments, like Arcadia, Wis., have backed down after being threatened with litigation and its costs. But with the help of legal charities, Hazleton intends to see the case through to the Supreme Court.
Based on published sources and contact from people from various states, I estimate upward of 1,000 local governments stand ready to enact such legislation -- if and when the Hazleton ordinances are upheld in the Supreme Court, as they should be.
Actions concerning the health, safety and welfare of a town's citizens, including provisions about where people can work and do business have been part of the power of a "municipal corporation" since the late Middle-Ages. This is not new.
These local ordinances do not usurp federal powers -- they all take federal law and the applicable facts as a given. None change in any way the federal definition of who is, or is not, an illegal alien.
As for the claim of discrimination, it is the personal choices of non-Caucasian Hispanics from Mexico, rather than Caucasian English-speakers (mostly) from Canada, to come across largely undefended U.S. borders and wind up in Hazleton and other towns across America. The Supreme Court has ruled in several cases that statistical inequalities based on individual personal choices do not amount to discrimination.
There will then be a direct contrast between the crime rates and expenses in Hazleton-type communities and the "sanctuary cities" like Los Angeles. LA has enacted Special Order 40, which forbids its police officers from enforcing immigration laws or even asking suspects about their immigration status.
The contrast between these two types of communities -- between the results of the laws they choose to pass or not pass -- should force the national issue. At long last, even Congress will be compelled to act to gain control of U.S. borders.
The contrasting approaches to the problems of illegal immigration are beginning to rise above the level of local government. Legislation similar to the Hazleton ordinances has been introduced in both the Georgia and California legislatures. They may pass in Georgia. They will almost certainly be defeated in the California legislature -- though passage by initiative may be possible.
The key, however, is what happens in subsequent court reviews. And that will depend on the Hazleton decision.
Shays Rebellion in 1786 was a citizen uprising that brought about justice for unpaid veterans of the American Revolution. The Hazleton Rebellion of 2007 is a citizen uprising which can bring about justice for all citizens of the United States.
Note: This is a fast-breaking story, best followed on the Internet. Anyone interested in its development should use any search engine for combinations of "alien" with "crime," "death," "welfare," "education," "medical care," etc., to find the latest stories. These will usually be local stories, since the national media have not caught up to this aspect of the subject. Don't bother to search for "illegal aliens" since that phrase, though accurate, is seldom used: It is not politically correct.

John Armor has filed 18 briefs in the U.S. Supreme Court, and has been legal counsel to the American Civil Rights Union since 1998.

I thought you were in Baja? No? And I've always thought of Mexico as the southern tier of North America. Canada makes up northern North America and the United States occupies middle North America.

Am I wrong?

Just as a matter of curiosity, El Pohl, how do you view the coyotes? Businessmen just making a buck? Scum of the Earth? Something in between?

Au, the article you posted is interesting but probably few will read it all mushed together like that. Put a space between paragraphs and it is much easier to read.

Here's a link to the ACLU story. I'm no fan of the ACLU, but this does provide some food for thought:

THE HAZLETON REBELLION

Yes you are correct, Tijuana here. And well who cares if its the southern tier of North America or not, sadly it doesn't get us out of the "countries in development" title. Quite fancier than "third world countries" if you ask me! But to be precise, I would call my location the "North Southern North America". Err...

Coyotes huh... well.. . they are the scum of (mexican) earth, but they are businessmen just making a buck. Who can blame them? Of course, they are making money out of poor desperate souls... but this are convinced souls and there's no deceit here. It's a fair trade I say. A necessary evil for our damned economy.

Funny. "High-Class" immigrants can arrive through booked flights (visa extenders) or on their feet through the desert! Heck, some of my friends in Tijuana have weekend jobs in the San Diego airport itself! And no they don't clean out toilets... they are security personnel. In the end... illegal is illegal anyways. But remember, not all illegal immigrants are poor souls!

Remember that I'm talking about ILLEGAL immigrants there aye?

And don't invoke the divinities! ... 'cause their figure lead the way for the majority of this ill fated crusaders.

SCRANTON, Pa. (AP) - Nearly a year after the city of Hazleton began a high-profile campaign to rid itself of illegal immigrants, opponents of the crackdown are getting their day in court.

A trial opening Monday pits Hazleton Mayor Lou Barletta, who says illegal immigrants are destroying the quality of life in his small northeastern Pennsylvania city, against the ACLU and Hispanic groups who contend that the new rules are unconstitutional.

It will be the first federal trial in the nation to explore whether local governments may act on their own to curb illegal immigration.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070312/D8NQKAT00.html

Even what a Municipality tries to ENFORCE THEIR LAWS, they have to go to court to ask permission to ENFORCE THEIR LAW?

Illegal immigration will NEVER be solved unless and until local police and local municipalities are PERMITTED to ENFORCE THEIR LAWS!

Well, if it's within the rights of "local law" to do so ...

Obviously some think different.

Are you sure the ACLU is opposed to Hazleton enforcing rules against illegals? I didn't think that was the case when I read the "Hazelton Rebellion" I linked yesterday, but maybe I misread it. (In truth, I was almost disappointed having to agree with the ACLU on one since I generally find them on the wrong side of most issues these days. )

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Sunday, March 11, 2007


A federal trial is set to begin Monday on the constitutionality of Hazleton, Pa.'s, laws targeting employers who hire and landlords who rent to illegal aliens.
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has filed a friend-of-the-court brief in support of the American Civil Liberties Union's lawsuit against the Northeastern Pennsylvania city.

The business group argues chiefly that Hazleton's ordinances, enacted in response to a flood of illegals, violate federal supremacy.






"State and local governments have no business setting national immigration policy," said Tom Donohue, president and CEO of the chamber and a spokesman for the cheap (illegal) labor lobby.


Laughable!

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_497006.html

From yesterday's Washington Times (11.03.07, page A2, Nation):

Source

The Hazelton order does not prevent anybody from hiring or renting to Latinos nor does it suggest Latinos should be discriminated against. It targets illegals. "Latino" and "illegal" are not synonymous terms.

I'm glad, no-one said so. Although, the local Latinos and US-Americans from Puerto Rico seem to feel such.
At least, when you read their law suits.

The irony is... that if the American citizens and legal immigrants who are suing the town of Hazleton win, it will mean that it is the government of Hazleton broke the law.

Righteous Foxfyre in favor of breaking the law.... ah sweet irony.

I wonder, why our right-wing firends here concentrate on ACLU - the law suit was filed by the ACLU, the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, the Community Justice Project, the law firm of Cozen O'Connor and local attorneys George Barron, David Vaida and Barry Dyller.