ebrown_p wrote:Quote:
people who are ON THE RECORD as saying they 'intend to take back THEIR country'
I want you to have the guts to say who you are slandering here.
I already did in numerous posts when we were having a rather lengthy (many pages) discussion on that in this thread. You are welcome to go back and hunt them up. We posted the news articles and everything. Of course I fully understand that selective memory, hearing, and eyesight, is in the liberal DNA, so I won't hold it against you that you don't remember all that.
georgeob1 wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:
Really?
As we don't require people to speak English, shouldn't we make sure that some activities such as voting are presented in the clearest manner possible?
Avoids confusion
Cycloptichorn
The side effects are worse. They destroy the practiucal incentive for assimilation.
Yes, we have quite a problem with local native americans here in New Mexico wanting to speak their native language. I understand Arizona has the same problem.
georgeob1 wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:
Really?
As we don't require people to speak English, shouldn't we make sure that some activities such as voting are presented in the clearest manner possible?
Avoids confusion
Cycloptichorn
The side effects are worse. They destroy the practiucal incentive for assimilation.
I dunno - I think we could easily show that giving documents out in other languages helps people understand important and complicated duties such as voting or paying their taxes accurately.
I think you'd be hard pressed to show that society is damaged in any way by giving out documents in multiple languages - without resorting to either bigotry or hyperbole, that is.
Cycloptichorn
It is a value judgement and we simply disagree. The United States successfully absorbed millions of non English speaking people from Europe, Asia, Africa and other places, and dealt with them only in the English language -- all without evident harm to its political processes. Our success in this area has not been duplicated on such a scale by any other nation.
I think our emphasis on multilingual communications from government is a remedy in search of a problem, and it has bad side effects to boot.
Foxfyre wrote:ebrown_p wrote:Quote:
people who are ON THE RECORD as saying they 'intend to take back THEIR country'
I want you to have the guts to say who you are slandering here.
I already did in numerous posts when we were having a rather lengthy (many pages) discussion on that in this thread. You are welcome to go back and hunt them up. We posted the news articles and everything. Of course I fully understand that selective memory, hearing, and eyesight, is in the liberal DNA, so I won't hold it against you that you don't remember all that.
You used the word ON THE RECORD in big capital letters. You would think you would have enough spine to post a link to said record.
I just did the search.
You obviously made this up -- another brown-skinned bogeyman.
And for the record... I believe and respect Brandon when he says that his problem is that the immigration is "illegal".
The reason I believe Brandon is that he leaves it at that.
He doesn't make ridiculous claims about prison populations to justify a greatly exaggerated fear of violent crime.
He doesn't make vague accusation that immigrants and their supporters want to "bring down the country".
I don't know if you will ever get it Foxfyre. It isn't that your claim that all you care about is that the laws being obeyed, that makes you impossible to take seriously.
It is all of the other insuations, slander and stereotypes-- some of which are easy to disprove, and none of which is supported by facts, that you so earnestly promote.
ebrown_p wrote:Foxfyre wrote:ebrown_p wrote:Quote:
people who are ON THE RECORD as saying they 'intend to take back THEIR country'
I want you to have the guts to say who you are slandering here.
I already did in numerous posts when we were having a rather lengthy (many pages) discussion on that in this thread. You are welcome to go back and hunt them up. We posted the news articles and everything. Of course I fully understand that selective memory, hearing, and eyesight, is in the liberal DNA, so I won't hold it against you that you don't remember all that.
You used the word ON THE RECORD in big capital letters. You would think you would have enough spine to post a link to said record.
I just did the search.
You obviously made this up -- another brown-skinned bogeyman.
Criticism of not posting sources is only valid when it is Fox doing the criticizing, Ebrown.
Cycloptichorn
Fine ebrown. Rant on. You must not have done much of a search or you would have found a lot of stuff there. You can also google it up yourself and find a whole lot of stuff on your own. I don't need to insult you to make my argument for my point of view, however, and the fact that you do puts your entire argument into the strongly suspect category. I also guess the apology you offered not so long ago for that sort of thing wasn't all that credible either, huh? I'm sorry about about that because I really appreciated and respected it and thought there might be a chance for a reasonable give and take discussion.
On the plus side you must be a big dog, however, that the little dog hides behind to bark.
At any rate, I don't see any point in rehashing with you what we've already been over ad nauseum whether or not you are willing to go reread all that.
Have a good one.
Foxfyre wrote:Fine ebrown. Rant on. You must not have done much of a search or you would have found a lot of stuff there. You can also google it up yourself and find a whole lot of stuff on your own. I don't need to insult you to make my argument for my point of view, however, and the fact that you do puts your entire argument into the strongly suspect category. I also guess the apology you offered not so long ago for that sort of thing wasn't all that credible either, huh? I'm sorry about about that because I really appreciated and respected it and thought there might be a chance for a reasonable give and take discussion.
On the plus side you must be a big dog, however, that the little dog hides behind to bark.
At any rate, I don't see any point in rehashing with you what we've already been over ad nauseum whether or not you are willing to go reread all that.
Have a good one.
That's my primary purpose on the site - making my fellow Libs into big dogs one by one.
Cycloptichorn
Foxfyre wrote:Fine ebrown. Rant on. You must not have done much of a search or you would have found a lot of stuff there. You can also google it up yourself and find a whole lot of stuff on your own. I don't need to insult you to make my argument for my point of view, however, and the fact that you do puts your entire argument into the strongly suspect category. I also guess the apology you offered not so long ago for that sort of thing wasn't all that credible either, huh? I'm sorry about about that because I really appreciated and respected it and thought there might be a chance for a reasonable give and take discussion.
On the plus side you must be a big dog, however, that the little dog hides behind to bark.
At any rate, I don't see any point in rehashing with you what we've already been over ad nauseum whether or not you are willing to go reread all that.
Have a good one.
ebrown:1 Foxfyre:0
I don't mind leaving it there.
Sure. (While noting that you can't keep score either.)
I knew 'have a good day' wouldn't be the end of it! Again!
You're so predictable, Fox, sheesh
Cycloptichorn
Forgive me for injecting this little essay into the personal attacks on each other by whomever and whomever. I must admit I scroll past the postings. Have yall considered conducting the discussion via pm? I suspect that many of the rest of us don't really give a **** about who can insult whom the quickest. And do we have to see it go on and on and on?
I heard this story today (which I can source if asked) about Clarkston, GA. It is a suburb of Atlanta. It has gone from being 90% white to 66% white and 34% "mixed" in a few years. The story rather sloppily defined mixed, but it includes blacks, hispanics, as well as folks from Afghanistan, Iraq, Africa, and what used to be Yugoslavia.
The story was about a soccer club made up of 6-15 year olds who call themselves the 'Fugees. Clever name, that, a shortening of refugees. Coached by a white woman who not only teaches soccer but also sets aside time for homework and emphasizes the "no drugs, no sex, no alcohol, no baggy pants" theme.
The story wanted to go to the problem the 'Fugees were having in finding a practice field but the mayor had what, in my mind, was a fine explanation.
I am going somewhere with this. Trust me.
The owner of an Eritrean (formerly the northern part of Ethiopia) store said something to the effect that "It is not easy to mix people. It takes time to understand people."
We talked briefly a day or so ago about assimilation. I would like to revisit that. We have had these waves of immigrants over the last couple of centuries. And quick assimilation didn't happen. The Irish lived and worked here, the Germans there, the Jews over here and the Chinese there. Assimilation was a long process, and we never got into their world and they, for the most part, never got into our world.
But now I go in the 7-11 and the clerks are Indian or Pakistani and the guys doing my yard work are Mexican or Honduran. They are much more visible than the colonies of immigrants who stayed hidden from the most of the rest of us in the past. And they talk to each other not in English.
Which brings me back to Clarkston, GA. I hope that smart young lady who runs that team will include kids named Billybob and MarySue on her roster.
Thank you for reading this, if you did indeed read this. -I am realjohnboy-
The Fugees couldn't beat a bunch of same age girls from an "assimilated" team. If you can't even speak the same langauge in practice, nobody is going to gel on the field.
Thanks Fox. I've fired more than a couple central/southern American "trainers" because their English was so poor - and they refused to learn - and were messing up the team.
Well, even in the first divisons of various European countries are managers (trainers) who hardly speak the language of those countries.
And those fired trainers, cjhsa, were legally there or illegals?
Just look at the Arsenal! No one of the starting eleven against PSV was born in England!
Maybe that's why they lost...
Go PSV!
And good to see you ebrown and foxfyre still throwing rocks to each other. Some things never change.
