What should be done about illegal immigration?

ebrown_p wrote:

The Republicans seem to have lost Congress with an anti-immigrant platform....

au's stats prove you are talking out your a--.

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ebrown_p wrote:

The Republicans seem to have lost Congress with an anti-immigrant platform....

Are you really foolish or blind enough to believe that the anti-immigrant posture of the republican house cost them the congress.

Bush and failure in Iraq cost the republicans public support.

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I am simply pointing out that it didn't help (not that they didn't try).

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Fox, Early in the immigration of Japanese to America, they built Japanese towns in Hawaii and many parts of the west coast. Those places are now rare, and believe only two exists today. I'm not sure their intent was to build Japan in America, but it's about as close to it as one can imagine depending on who's perspective one uses.

Many cities on the west coast now have many Asian shopping centers that usually includes different ethnic restaurants usually anchored by a Chinese or Korean supermarket.

We have many Chinese in our family today including German, Dutch, Italian, English, and Hispanic.

We really don't make any attempt to see what generation American they are including many of my friends; that's not even a issue.

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Foxfyre,

This is what a Congressman from California said from the floor of the House.

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Many individuals of any race may be superior, by every just standard of measurement, to many individuals of the white race. Yet there is an irreconcilable resistance to amalgamation and social equality that cannot be ignored. The fact is it forms an enduring barrier against complete assimilation. The brown man, the yellow man, or the black man who is an American citizen seeks the opportunities of this country with a handicap. It may be humiliating or unjust to him. You may contend it is not creditable to us, but it does exist. It causes irritation, racial prejudice, and animosities. It detracts from the harmony, unity, and solidarity of our citizenship.

But to avoid further racial antipathies and incompatibility is the duty and opportunity of this Congress. The first great rule of exclusion should prohibit those non-assimilable. Our own interests, as well as the ultimate welfare of those we admit, justify us in prescribing a strict rule as to whom shall be assimilable. We should require physical,moral, and mental qualities, capable of contributing to the welfare and advancement of our citizenship. Without these qualities it would be better for America that they should not come.

Do you agree or disagree with this point of view?

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Not that anyone asked. IMO what is needed is real enforcement at our borders, a guest workers program, increase as needed the quotas for legal immigration and "NO" path for citizenship for illegals now in the US. illegality should not be rewarded.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

Fox, Early in the immigration of Japanese to America, they built Japanese towns in Hawaii and many parts of the west coast. Those places are now rare, and believe only two exists today. I'm not sure their intent was to build Japan in America, but it's about as close to it as one can imagine depending on who's perspective one uses.

Many cities on the west coast now have many Asian shopping centers that usually includes different ethnic restaurants usually anchored by a Chinese or Korean supermarket.

We have many Chinese in our family today including German, Dutch, Italian, English, and Hispanic.

We really don't make any attempt to see what generation American they are including many of my friends; that's not even a issue.

We're not talking about the "Chinatowns" and "Little Italy's" et al that crop up in the cities. There are a lot of towns throughout the midwest and elsewhere made up of descendants of immigrants primarily of one place or another whether they are Irish or Swedes or Germans or Chechs. Kansas alone has dozens of little communities like this. Most have annual old country festivals and they are great fun. Every one of these little communities is as American as any American place can be however. It is natural that people of shared experience and language congregate together during the assimilation process. And this does result in neighborhoods or little towns with strong ethnic flavors. It in no way diminishes them as Americans.

But there are also people who do not want anything to do with American culture or any part of assimilating into it who nevertheless want Americans to provide them with whatever they need. If you say that is what your family wanted, then you should go back to Japan. If your family sees itself as Americans with all that entails, then they indeed enrich us all.

Those that suggest that they are 'simply taking back their country' when they move in here are sure not helping their cause any. For all but the mostly rabid kneejerk mushy thinking liberals, that is a major red flag to be dealt with in any new and better immgration policy that is adopted.

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1451035544403625746&q=the+line+in+the+sand

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au1929 wrote:

Not that anyone asked. IMO what is needed is real enforcement at our borders, a guest workers program, increase as needed the quotas for legal immigration and "NO" path for citizenship for illegals now in the US. illegality should not be rewarded.

Do we not already have several guest worker programs?

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FreeDuck wrote:

au1929 wrote:
Not that anyone asked. IMO what is needed is real enforcement at our borders, a guest workers program, increase as needed the quotas for legal immigration and "NO" path for citizenship for illegals now in the US. illegality should not be rewarded.

Do we not already have several guest worker programs?

Not for the type of labor these people will provide.

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Watching the video?

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I want to know how come Asia immigrants don't have the same problems coming to the US as Latinos do?

There is also the issue of race when it comes to learning. How come Asians don't have to same problems in the schools that other minorities do?

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That's certainly a question, social scientists will offer a couple of opinions.

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Baldimo wrote:

I want to know how come Asia immigrants don't have the same problems coming to the US as Latinos do?

There is also the issue of race when it comes to learning. How come Asians don't have to same problems in the schools that other minorities do?

They did have the same problems.

The same thing you guys are now saying about Mexicans (i.e. the third world), they said about the Chinese and Japanese in the 1920s.... and the Irish and the Italians and the Poles.

The current immigrants will assimilate the same as the previous round of immigrants, and many will have success. Ironically, a grandchild of Mexican illegals is currently the Attorney General... a man ironically I respect less then some of you on the other side. No one can doubt his education or his success.

But no one responded to my quote from the floor of the House, which I will repeat here (since it is relevant)...

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Many individuals of any race may be superior, by every just standard of measurement, to many individuals of the white race. Yet there is an irreconcilable resistance to amalgamation and social equality that cannot be ignored. The fact is it forms an enduring barrier against complete assimilation. The brown man, the yellow man, or the black man who is an American citizen seeks the opportunities of this country with a handicap. It may be humiliating or unjust to him. You may contend it is not creditable to us, but it does exist. It causes irritation, racial prejudice, and animosities. It detracts from the harmony, unity, and solidarity of our citizenship.

But to avoid further racial antipathies and incompatibility is the duty and opportunity of this Congress. The first great rule of exclusion should prohibit those non-assimilable. Our own interests, as well as the ultimate welfare of those we admit, justify us in prescribing a strict rule as to whom shall be assimilable. We should require physical,moral, and mental qualities, capable of contributing to the welfare and advancement of our citizenship. Without these qualities it would be better for America that they should not come.

No one bit, but I will tell you the punchline anyway. This is from the immigration debate in 1924.

The immigrants that the nativists of the time said weren't assimilating were the Japanese and Southern Europeans.

It's funny how little you guys have changed.

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Personally, I couldn't care less the origin or race of the immigrants. It's utterly irrelevant to me. I just don't want millions of people coming in without permission, particularly if they have no intention of assimilating. I will never willingly choose to reward deliberate breaking of reasonable laws.

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So then Brandon,

When Baldimo makes the argument that todays Latino immigrants have some problem that yesterdays (now noble) Asian immigrants didn't have...

and when Foxfyre suggests that todays Latino immigrants are "not able to assimilate" using language strikingly similar to the quote I posted from 1924...

You wouldn't agree with this line of argument, would you?

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"not able to assimilate."
"no intention of assimilating."

I must admit I have kind of stopped watching this thread very closely, but I am curious about the problem these posters have with how the current crop of immigrants' pace of of assimilation vis a vis the Germans or the Italians or the Jews or the Japanese.

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No problem at all as long as assimilation is their intention. Having relatives who immigrated in the mid 20th century and more recently, I know how difficult the assimilation can be, and the handicaps that have to be overcome. I've taught citizenship classes and helped out in English as a second language classes. I've helped sponsor refugees escaping Castro's Cuba and helped the rest of the neighbors Americanize the new Vietnamese family that moved in a few doors away in our previous home in Kansas. I know how difficult it can be.

Those who are trying to make this an anti-Mexican thing or other racist issue, however, are simply trying to divert the discussion from what it should be. They don't seem to be able to recognize or even accurately articulate what the rest of us see as the real issues, so they have to do liberalspeak, play the racism card, and change the subject.

Example: Ebrown says I said Latino are 'unable to assimilate'. I said nothing even remotely like that since I have quite well assimilated Hispanic friends, relatives, and coworkers. What I did say is I have trouble with ANYBODY who thinks it is their right to be here, but who has no intention of assimilating. A rabid liberal probably won't make the distinction between these two things. Most reasonable people, however, can, and all honorable people will.

You'll note the anti-immigration-control people don't ever seem to want to give up anything personally however. It's all the rest of us who are supposed to change what we believe is right and constructive and tear down all the barriers and wave everybody who wants to be here right on in, no strings attached of any kind.

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ebrown_p wrote:

So then Brandon,

When Baldimo makes the argument that todays Latino immigrants have some problem that yesterdays (now noble) Asian immigrants didn't have...

and when Foxfyre suggests that todays Latino immigrants are "not able to assimilate" using language strikingly similar to the quote I posted from 1924...

You wouldn't agree with this line of argument, would you?

I would disagree with any implication that people of Latin origin are inherently any different from anyone else. I only care about catching people who come in without permission. Their country of origin, race, etc. are irrelevant.

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If Mexican immigrants are not only willing but anxious to assimilate, I welcome them.

Immigrants who wish to preserve their nationality and establish communities that are colonies or beachheads are nothing more than invaders and should be considered as such.

There is no worldly reason at all while a sovereign nation should tolerate invaders.

Imagine the braying protests we would hear from the Left if Americans flooded into Mexico and attempted to transform it into US-South.

The Left is tolerant of cultural invaders if they are poor. Poor is not powerless as any leftist worth his or her salt will tell you.

The ethos of multi-culturalism is about to turn Europe into Eurabia.

Is it really such an unpardonable demand to expect that people who come to our country to benefit from its riches become our countrymen as well?

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