WHY ISLAM IS BECOMING THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION..Serious

Abid wrote:

The oldest Koranic fragments were found in the loft of the Great Mosque at Sana'a during renovation. Not only do they differ from the modern text but show signs of alteration to an even older text.

I think you need to learn some history about your own religion, not me.

As regard to the Sana'a Mss, there is nothing "shocking" about its discovery. At most, it is claimed that there is a fragment where the end of sura 26 is followed by 37. But this amounts to nothing, since it is permissable to place suras in any order in a partial mushaf compilation. So this is hardly "news" or a "shocking" discovery.

Moreover, after the publication of the Atlantic Monthly, Puin wrote a letter in which he revealed:


"The important thing, thank God, is that these Yemeni Qur'anic fragments do not differ from those found in museums and libraries elsewhere, with the exception of details that do not touch the Qur'an itself, but are rather differences in the way words are spelled. This phenomenon is well-known, even in the Qur'an published in Cairo in which is written:

Ibrhim next to Ibrhm

Quran next to Qrn

Simahum next to Simhum

In the oldest Yemeni Qur'anic fragments, for example, the phenomenon of not writing the vowel alif is rather common."

Prof. Azami comments:

"This deflates the entire controversy, dusting away the webs of intrigue that were spun around Puin's discoveries and making them a topic unworthy of further speculation."


Source: Puin's letter and Prof. Azami's comments cited from: M. M. Azami, The History of the Qur'anic Text from Revelation to Compilation: A Comparative Study with the Old and New Testaments, UK Islamic Academy, 2003 pp. 12

SOURCE: (Something I think you should start providing, so this debate remains credible) - Gerd-Ruediger Puin : "Observations on Early Qur'an Manuscripts in San'a'". - Stefan Wild (ed.), The Qur'an As Text, Leiden/New York/Koeln (E. J. Brill) 1996, p. 107-111

fresco wrote:

This thread is about the expansion of Islam, not the phenomenon of "hero worship" which like "love" tends impair the critical faculties of the acolyte.

As for the central claim that Islam is expanding, this particular week's report of the regular self-inflicted carnage in Iraq is presumably nature's way of keeping things in balance !

You're bigoted views sadden me. It is wrong to assume that all Muslim's are crazed lunatics who want to kill every disbeliever in sight.
There is no complusion in religion. There are numerous stories of who Mohammed (pbuh) was kind and compassionate to non-muslims even when he was attacked by them.

Many reasons justify the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy:

1) This is the ruling of God (Allah) and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

2) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

3) The one who has known the religion which God (Allah) revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of God (Allah) and eat from the provision of God (Allah).

4) By leaving Islam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it. Islam, the one true religion, is not like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants.

5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbor's child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the Sharee'ah which God (Allah) revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

By Sheikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajjid

God (Allah) knows best.

Assalamo Alaykom.

None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbor's child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the Sharee'ah which God (Allah) revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

Where is your proof for this??

Again, i ask you. If I told you that Sharles Dickin's Oliver Twist was actually about a girl called 'Olivia' would you believe me?

sounds kind of far fetched

Abid wrote:

fresco wrote:

This thread is about the expansion of Islam, not the phenomenon of "hero worship" which like "love" tends impair the critical faculties of the acolyte.

As for the central claim that Islam is expanding, this particular week's report of the regular self-inflicted carnage in Iraq is presumably nature's way of keeping things in balance !

You're bigoted views sadden me. It is wrong to assume that all Muslim's are crazed lunatics who want to kill every disbeliever in sight.
There is no complusion in religion. There are numerous stories of who Mohammed (pbuh) was kind and compassionate to non-muslims even when he was attacked by them.

No one said "all Muslim's are crazed lunatics who want to kill every disbeliever in sight." The fact that all followers of a religion do not follow all of a religions teachings does not excuse the existance of what is in the religions texts.

In another thread, a muslim apologist offered this.

muslim1 wrote:

Many reasons justify the death penalty as a punishment for apostasy:

1) This is the ruling of God (Allah) and His Messenger, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "Whoever changes his religion, kill him." (reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3017).

2) The apostate is not to be killed without warning. Even though his crime is so great, he is given a last chance, a respite of three days in which to repent. If he repents, he will be left; if he does not repent, then he will be killed.

3) The one who has known the religion which God (Allah) revealed, entered it and practised it, then rejected it, despised it and left it, is a person who does not deserve to live on the earth of God (Allah) and eat from the provision of God (Allah).

4) By leaving Islam, the apostate opens the way for everyone who wants to leave the faith, thus spreading apostasy and encouraging it. Islam, the one true religion, is not like a shop or store which a person can enter when he wants and leave when he wants.

5) If the punishment for murder and espionage (also known as high treason) is death, then what should be the punishment for the one who disbelieves in the Lord of mankind and despises and rejects His religion? Is espionage or shedding blood worse than leaving the religion of the Lord of mankind and rejecting it?

6) None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbor's child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the Sharee'ah which God (Allah) revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

By Sheikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajjid

God (Allah) knows best.

Assalamo Alaykom.

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Sheikh Muhammad Salih Al-Munajjid wrote:

None of those who bleat about personal freedom and freedom of belief would put up with a neighbor's child hitting their child or justify this as "personal freedom," so how can they justify leaving the true religion and rejecting the Sharee'ah which God (Allah) revealed to teach mankind about His unity and bring justice and fairness to all?

Total hypocrisy. How about adults filling the heads of vulnerable children with religious nonsense? That's child abuse and deserves gaol. Assuming Islam is the one true religion is prepostrous. Sharia'a law comes from God? It comes from men[/b] who demand obedience by claiming to understand the will of God. Its outrageous.

(.....and here we wait for the hypocritical turgid rejoinder about the "evils of drug ridden-Western society" from Moslems who still chose to live here in preference to their countries of origin !)

Maybe people are trying to avoid paying interest on their outstanding loans?

Abid wrote:

Where is your proof for this??

Again, i ask you. If I told you that Sharles Dickin's Oliver Twist was actually about a girl called 'Olivia' would you believe me?

sounds kind of far fetched

Where is your proof for anything you have posted? You post the same circular arguments typical to all theists.

As for earlier statements of islam being peaceful...complete and utter crap. When moslems don't have outsiders to fight, then they spend a good deal of time hacking each other to death. I don't know what lollipop fantasy land you're living in, but it's certainly not planet earth.

Abid wrote:

Where is your proof for this??

Again, i ask you. If I told you that Sharles Dickin's Oliver Twist was actually about a girl called 'Olivia' would you believe me?

sounds kind of far fetched

Where is your proof for anything you have posted? You post the same circular arguments typical to all theists.

As for earlier statements of islam being peaceful...complete and utter crap. When moslems don't have outsiders to fight, then they spend a good deal of time hacking each other to death. I don't know what lollipop fantasy land you're living in, but it's certainly not planet earth.

Abid wrote:

Where is your proof for this??

Again, i ask you. If I told you that Sharles Dickin's Oliver Twist was actually about a girl called 'Olivia' would you believe me?

sounds kind of far fetched

Where is your proof for anything you have posted? You post the same circular arguments typical to all theists.

As for earlier statements of islam being peaceful...complete and utter crap. When moslems don't have outsiders to fight, then they spend a good deal of time hacking each other to death. I don't know what lollipop fantasy land you're living in, but it's certainly not planet earth.

...The other two Verses quoted here did not indicate that they are discussing the same day or that every day with Allah is both 1,000 and 50,000 years long.

Desperate??

Im not the one 'Desperate' to disprove the faith of Islam

Im not trying my utmost to stem the flow of reverts who embrace Islam every single day....

Your futile attempts to slander Islam do you no benifit. Islam is the fastest growing religion as stated earlier. People from all backgraounds and ethnicities can be found coming back to their Lord all the time.

The sooner you accept that Islam is here to stay the better