Should the USA Annex Mexico?

No one, except for you and CJ, has suggested an "open door" policy in this thread.

don't know what cj said. in any case, he does not speak for me.

see, here's the thing. what is being called for, and quite loudly only a few short miles from my house today, is a defacto open door policy. people can call it what they like, but the message is clear; "we want in and screw your laws".

but, the fact is, while i support the idea that every person has human rights, as in the right to not be tortured or forced into slavery; under u.s. law, and apparently the law of mexico, illegal immigrants have no right to residency in either of those countries.


Your argument is overly simplistic. There are more than two options. You can have a sane immigration policy that controls the borders AND is human to people who may have broken a law by crossing a border, but are now part of our community.

there's no "may have" to it, e. if a person has entered the united states without following procedure, they have broken the law. that is why it is called "illegal" immigration.

The option you and CJ are suggesting is harsh and vindictive. It will break families..

of course, it would be stupid to consider a blanket deportation.

every bit as stupid as considering another blanket amnesty. such as the bill of 1986 that "legalized" over 3 million illegal aliens. that bill also provided for worker's visas. only about 25,000 were applied for.

all amnesty did was give the message that "if you can just get there, you can stay".

There are thousands of families that have one parent and some of the kids are illegal, and the rest of the family are citizens. What do you do in this case?

current estimates of illegal aliens in the u.s. are around 12 million. it's more likely that there are more than 1000's...

What about kids who came when they were 1 or 2, and have lived lives as Americans, some not even knowing they aren't citizens. To them, any country but the US is a foreign country. Do you force them away?

no, i wouldn't be into that.

What about people who are contributing to the economy, own houses, pay taxes and even have created jobs? Do you lose them?

the truth of the matter is that illegal immigrants work for far less than american workers. and by doing so, the american citizen (born or naturalized) has seen his average pay take a dump in the last 10 years. where is your compassion for the people that play by the rules ?

and, where is your compassion for those that are paying into a system from which they will not be able to withdraw that money in the form of social security? just because they pay in doesn't mean that they'll get it back. because legally, they don't exist.

and where is your compassion for people who are said to do "work that americans won't do"? what kind of rationale is that ? it sounds to me like people that use that justification are actually in favor of a slave class.

and considering that i've done a lot of thankless, dirty, back breaking and crappy paying jobs on my path, i don't buy the argument for a minute.

a willingness to do crappy work is in direct proportion to your desire to eat and sleep indoors.

The McCain Kennedy bill is not an open border bill. It actually contains provisions to tighten borders and to make businesses more accountable (in exchange for making the policy more reasonable for business needs).

been there done that. see the 1986 amnesty.

i'll take some time to read it. if it's realistic, sensible and actually enforcible, i will likely support it.

i know you think i'm a cruel and mean spirited son of a beeyatch. but, anyone who actually knows me will tell you that i'm very much the opposite of that description.

Illegal immigrants who want to live here should become legal, just like so many of our ancestors.

why? they have no legal right to that under united states law. or mexican law for those illegals caught in mexico, it would seem.

are you under the impression that immigration policy is something new ?

You brought up priviledge, and it is wrong to think that if you were less priviledged you wouldn't be willing to cross a border if doing so would provide a better life for your family.

your assumption that i am priviledged in any other way than what i stated previously (i.e. native born american) is erroneous. i am far from rich.

and you don't seem to want to address the real core issue. illegal means illegal. against the law. not playing by the rules.

i am happy to have people immigrate to the usa as long as they do it legally.

there is nothing vindictive,racist or xenophobic about that at all.

Pro texas or not.
What is unarguable is that Mexico fired the first shot.
They attacked US troops,on what the US considered their soil.
That makes it an act of war,committed by Mexico.

Nothing you have posted or said denies that fact.

What I love about CJ and GungaSnake is that, unlike many in their political side...

They don't even pretend to be Christian.

mysteryman wrote:

Pro texas or not.
What is unarguable is that Mexico fired the first shot.
They attacked US troops,on what the US considered their soil.
That makes it an act of war,committed by Mexico.

Nothing you have posted or said denies that fact.

That is completely false.

yet there is no outcry from you when a country like mexico deports people from el salvador, guatemala etc., asia or any other country who have entered illegally.

Something like 1M people out using the 1st amendment to protest, a priviledge they don't have.

Huh? Since when is Los Angeles goverened by this "Mexican constitution" of which you speak?

Something like 1M people out using the 1st amendment to protest, a priviledge they don't have.