And You Like This Guy So Much

If it's paranoia to want the Bush administration held accountable, count me in.

edgarblythe wrote:

If it's paranoia to want the Bush administration held accountable, count me in.

Us damn liberals, wanting accountability ... isn't that just the shits!! As I remember, the Republicans mouthed a lot of talk about responsibility and accountability. Apparently that only holds true as a campaign slogan when running against the Democratic Party, but not when it's being demanded of them!!

As is so often true with the Republicans, they have heavy mouth movement, but do very little in the action side of things. (Other than stealing and lying) All mouth, no action!! They should use THAT for a campaign slogan!!

Anon

Anon--

It reads to emphasize the President's right not to have to make reports to Congress about who is being investigated. Since everyone leaks everything, I understand the need for it.

I don't want to hamstring my government, so that a repeat of the Moussaoui (sp) bullshit allows more terrorists to murder innocent people. I want them to be armed with the tools it takes to prosecute investigations on people, who have given reason to suspect.

I also, under one very stringent scenario, think torture should be an option. But, the odds that that scenario would ever be in place, are so infintessimal, it would likely never occur. I think Bush wants the same right to use whatever means necessary to save a large group of people from certain death, by inflicting physical pressure on a person, who is known to have the information that could save people's lives.

Three Yemeni prisoners who were apparently seized and held in secret jails by the CIA for 18 months have spoken for the first time about their detention - providing important new details about the systematic "rendition" of prisoners.

The three men, none of whom was ever charged with any terrorism-related offence, were seized in 2003 and then held in four secret locations by "black-masked ninja" US operatives who made considerable efforts to ensure the prisoners did not know where they were being held. They were eventually released about a month ago.

While it remains unclear where exactly the men were held, human rights campaigners who interviewed them believe they were held in Djibouti, Afghanistan and somewhere in eastern Europe. It was alleged last year that the CIA had been operating covert "black site" prisons in Romania and Poland.

PNAC called for another Pearl Harbor in 1998 ... we got one ... in 2001~~

Anon

Anon,

Maybe you are right. President Bush is evil incarnate, and, though he's clearly an idiot (under-educated, stupid and tragically ignorant), he leads a cabal of conspirators determined to take over the world. He has gore up to his elbows, and probably sneaks into secret prison cells to shock innocent babies with cattleprods for enjoyment. He orchastrated the payment to the "terrorists", to persuade them to go along with his effort to undermine the Constitution and put in its place a Nazi-like dictatorship. Yeah, that's probably all true and the black helecopters are going to drop any moment out of the sky to secretly carry you off to the new concentration/death camps being built out by Area 51 in Nevada.

Enjoy your hallucenations and nightmares. Oh, and don't forget to take your meds.

Anon-Voter wrote:

PNAC called for another Pearl Harbor in 1998 ... we got one ... in 2001~~

Anon

If you believe this, we are so far from common ground, it is futile to try to discuss it.

Anon-Voter wrote:

PNAC called for another Pearl Harbor in 1998 ... we got one ... in 2001~~

Anon

If you believe this, we are so far from common ground, it is futile to try to discuss it.

"Ash put his position out there pretty well the other day. I pointed out that the checks and balances had been defeated at this point and that there were none. His reply, "What's wrong with that"? "



That the Republican Party is more in touch with the electorate is demonstrated by the numbers of Republicans elected to government.

Lash wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:

PNAC called for another Pearl Harbor in 1998 ... we got one ... in 2001~~

Anon

If you believe this, we are so far from common ground, it is futile to try to discuss it.

Read their papers Lash, I'm not the one that wrote them, they did! If you don't believe they wrote it, and you're not willing to read their manifesto, there isn't much you can do indeed. It's a case of your wishing to be deluded, and nothing can be done about that!!

Anon

Anon-Voter wrote:

Lash wrote:

Anon-Voter wrote:

PNAC called for another Pearl Harbor in 1998 ... we got one ... in 2001~~

Anon

If you believe this, we are so far from common ground, it is futile to try to discuss it.

Read their papers Lash, I'm not the one that wrote them, they did! If you don't believe they wrote it, and you're not willing to read their manifesto, there isn't much you can do indeed. It's a case of your wishing to be deluded, and nothing can be done about that!!

Anon

One would think that ANYONE posting to a political forum would have at least a cursory knowledge of current events.

The Republicans have gained ascendancy preying on man's baser instincts. We find much of the public in sympathy with that, because we live in a time of great retrogression, where morality is soft against hucksterism and degrees of banditry. Many Democrats are getting drawn in with it, because they fear getting left out of the process. A true liberal will stand up for the right, no matter how many votes do or do not go his way. It took a great Depression and a world war, to shock Americans into adopting all out liberalism. Something akin to getting meteor-struck. It may be two or three lifetimes before it happens again.

The Washington Post reported yesterday that McCain had hired Terry Nelson to be a senior advisor to his political committee, the Straight Talk America PAC. Who is Terry Nelson? George W. Bush's national political director in 2004, for one. It's just the latest example of McCain's strategy of taking what he can of Bush's money infrastructure - as the Post reports, he's been busily recruiting Pioneers, Rangers and Super Rangers from '04.

But there's one crucial, telling detail about Terry Nelson that the Post leaves out. And that's his role in the money laundering scheme for which Tom DeLay is being prosecuted down in Texas.

Nelson was the deputy chief of staff of the Republican National Committee in 2002 when the alleged crime occurred. His role was crucial, although he hasn't been charged. He's named right there in the indictment.

McCain Takes on DeLay Accomplice

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The Washington Post reported yesterday that McCain had hired Terry Nelson to be a senior advisor to his political committee, the Straight Talk America PAC. Who is Terry Nelson? George W. Bush's national political director in 2004, for one. It's just the latest example of McCain's strategy of taking what he can of Bush's money infrastructure - as the Post reports, he's been busily recruiting Pioneers, Rangers and Super Rangers from '04.

But there's one crucial, telling detail about Terry Nelson that the Post leaves out. And that's his role in the money laundering scheme for which Tom DeLay is being prosecuted down in Texas.

Nelson was the deputy chief of staff of the Republican National Committee in 2002 when the alleged crime occurred. His role was crucial, although he hasn't been charged. He's named right there in the indictment.