And You Like This Guy So Much

I agree with ebrown about Guliani, just hadn't said it out loud.

Joe--

My argument is that it was not for the purpose to torture prisoners.

I glimpsed another attack on intellectualism above.


Gawd, wouldn't it be awful if being smart and thoughtful was deemed a good thing for our citizens? We really can't have that, now can we?

Anon--

It reads to emphasize the President's right not to have to make reports to Congress about who is being investigated. Since everyone leaks everything, I understand the need for it.

I don't want to hamstring my government, so that a repeat of the Moussaoui (sp) bullshit allows more terrorists to murder innocent people. I want them to be armed with the tools it takes to prosecute investigations on people, who have given reason to suspect.

I also, under one very stringent scenario, think torture should be an option. But, the odds that that scenario would ever be in place, are so infintessimal, it would likely never occur. I think Bush wants the same right to use whatever means necessary to save a large group of people from certain death, by inflicting physical pressure on a person, who is known to have the information that could save people's lives.

Why shouldn't a conservative be allowed the occasional irrational rant so common from the Left? We are supposed to be above that sort of thing, but ah we are all too human.

"Republicans don't care much for the educated ... they're so much harder to fool, or bully ... they pefer the stupid, or tragically ignorant! They make much more suitable subjects !! "

Strange, almost without exception the conservatives and Republicans of my acquaintance are well-educated in both the formal and informal sense. Of course, my experience does not reach all, or even most, Republicans, or those termed conservative. The distain you show for all those Americans who have and will vote for Republican candidates is one of the reasons that the Democratic Party is unlikely to win the White House anytime soon. Why would anyone you have labeled stupid and tragically ignorant vote for your candidate and policies?

For starters, I quoted YOUR PRESIDENT as to who he favored among his continuency. Don't blame me for what his preferences are.

"Torture has been approved at the Presidential level, and it has been practiced widely! If you stop reading the party line, and widen your reading material, you'll find the truth, not what you would like to believe because the truthy is so horrible! 9/11 happened because we let it happen, not because we weren't warned!"

I'm sure you believe that torture as been approved at the presidential level, and even that it has been practiced widely. That doesn't make it so, and a whole lot of people disagree with you.

Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Two know CIA torture prison camps in Eastern Europe, we hand over detainees to 3rd parties for torture when we see fit ... yea, he definitely approved the torture. I've seen in several places where this approval went to the top and was content to disbelieve it until the signing order. When he signed the law, but invalidated it with the signing order, he condemned himself!! The man approved it, and he supports it, and he will use it!!

I suppose you believe that those who disagree are somehow lacking in education, are stupid and tragically ignorant.

Not always, there are the very rich, very educated, very venal Republicans that will do anything perpetrate the Republican ideology on the American People, no matter what it takes!!!! They are more than happy to lie to and control the stupid, and the tragically ignorant. If you want an excellent example of tragically ignorant, ask thethe troops why they think they are in Iraq!!

Could it be possible that it is you who are following a "party line", and that the material you've been reading is a distortion of the "truth"? Perhaps the "truth" of the matter is that the president and his administration are doing their level and honest best to defend the country against attack, and that truth is just too horrible for you to accept?

I don't have a party line, so that ploy doesn't work with me. I don't have hero worship of Clinton, and I hated that Kennedy and Johnson lied us into the war that disabled me for my adult life. I was also a Republican for 20 years before I started voting differently. You'll have to do better than that Ash!!

You state that 9/11 was allowed to happen. That implies that the Administration knew that a group of radical Islamic terrorists were going to highjack multiple aircraft and fly them into various American buildings on 9/11 with the intent to kill as many Americans as possible.

Yep, There are reams of evidence that shows it. We were warned at every level, by ourselves, and by other countries. Keep trying Ash, you may get something right if you keep trying!!

This seems to be an popular notion amongst the conspiracy theorist set. Of course, only the lunatic fringe believe such drivel in the absence of any credible supporting evidence. Those who make such outrageous claims, point to the lack of evidence to as evidence in itself of a vast government conspiracy to achieve some hazy end.

NOT a conspiracy theorist ... I, unlike your Republican brethern, can read and comprehend what I'm reading!!

Now I know that none of this is going to make the slightest difference in your blind hatred of the president, conservatives, the Republican Party, and the U.S. government as a whole. Oh well, I have faith that the American People are not likely to be deceived by your paranoia .... even if they are poorly educated, stupid and tragically stupid.

Not Blind, not at all!! My hatred of the President, and Republicans has been well earned by them and what they have done to totally fubar this country!! I don't include all conservatives per se in that group although they are largely responsible for this disaster!!

Anon--

I read a wide assortment of news. I believe one of the reasons 911 happened was the firewall placed by Gorelick during the Clinton administration, which impeded the FBI and the CIA from sharing information, and prevented their ability to act more decisively with Moussaoui. If they could have moved quicker, and, based on what they found in Moussaoui's computer, knocked the **** out of him a couple of times, we could have prevented 911.

I know I'd love to knock the **** out of him. It would be well worth the 3000 innocent lives.

Anon--

It reads to emphasize the President's right not to have to make reports to Congress about who is being investigated. Since everyone leaks everything, I understand the need for it.

I don't want to hamstring my government, so that a repeat of the Moussaoui (sp) bullshit allows more terrorists to murder innocent people. I want them to be armed with the tools it takes to prosecute investigations on people, who have given reason to suspect.

I also, under one very stringent scenario, think torture should be an option. But, the odds that that scenario would ever be in place, are so infintessimal, it would likely never occur. I think Bush wants the same right to use whatever means necessary to save a large group of people from certain death, by inflicting physical pressure on a person, who is known to have the information that could save people's lives.

Bush has about as much to do with running the country as Ronald McDonald has to do with running McDonalds.

The same entities that are in control of the country will stay in power. They'll just change figure heads, They'll poll us till they get the right reaction. Then when they bankcrupt the country they'll walk away

Amigo wrote:

Bush has about as much to do with running the country as Ronald McDonald has to do with running McDonalds.

The same entities that are in control of the country will stay in power. They'll just change figure heads, They'll poll us till they get the right reaction. Then when they bankcrupt the country they'll walk away

They've got a great start at bankrupting the country! They're stealing every dime they can get their hands on, and then some!

Iraq still wants to know what the U.S. did with the 20 Billion the Iraqis had that disappeared when we invaded and took over the country. Bush and his cronies just shrug their shoulders and act like the Iraqis are nuts, but guess what ... The money is gone ... and WE were the only ones with access to it. That kind of limits the possibilities, doesn't it!!

Oh well, it must just be my paranoia that Ash is talking about :wink:

Speaking of paranoia, isn't it the Republicans that are so scared shitless that they keep voting for Bush and his budget requests for more money to Iraq. If the Demos dare vote against it, they are 1) UnAmerican 2) Soft on Terrorism 3) Not supporting the troops 4) Traitors 5) Putting the country at risk 6) Islamo-Fascists

Along with all the supporting Republican soundbytes to keep their chickenshit continuency quaking in their boots???

Anoin