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And You Like This Guy So Much

 
 
revel
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 01:33 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
revel wrote:
I don't know about all politicians, but McCain is nothing more than a political prostitute to gain the backing of all Bush's political backers.


Bull!

As everyone who has been here long knows, I am on the left side of liberal. It is rare that I agree with mystery man.

But here, revel, you are way off base.

McCain has shown singular courage and consistant integrity on several issues.

- He is one of the most influential voices affecting our policy on the use of torture.
- He supports immigration policy that makes the radical assumption that immigrants are human being.
- He strongly opposed the Swift Boat attack ads on Kerry.

McCains supportive words for Bush are part of his character-- which is one of integrity

I disagree with McCain on many issues, but I deeply respect him and I am glad to have his voice in the public debate. I would certainly trust him in the White House.

I wish there were more Democrats with his consistant character.

These obscene partisan attacks from Democrats are bad for the party and the Country.

Do you think you can disagree with someone by offering a progressive alternative without comparing them to a prostitute?


http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/030806/news4.html

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Good-government advocacy groups working on lobbying reform say their longtime ally Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has played a smaller leadership role on the issue than they had expected.

McCain's lower-than-hoped-for profile on the sensitive subject coincides with what prominent lobbyists describe as a quiet effort by his political team to court inside-the-Beltway donors and fundraisers in preparation for a possible 2008 presidential run.




http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/01/04/bush_could_bypass_new_torture_ban?mode=PF

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Bush could bypass new torture ban
Waiver right is reserved
By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | January 4, 2006

WASHINGTON -- When President Bush last week signed the bill outlawing the torture of detainees, he quietly reserved the right to bypass the law under his powers as commander in chief.

After approving the bill last Friday, Bush issued a ''signing statement" -- an official document in which a president lays out his interpretation of a new law -- declaring that he will view the interrogation limits in the context of his broader powers to protect national security. This means Bush believes he can waive the restrictions, the White House and legal specialists said.

''The executive branch shall construe [the law] in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President . . . as Commander in Chief," Bush wrote, adding that this approach ''will assist in achieving the shared objective of the Congress and the President . . . of protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks."



Where has he been on these issue of late? All I have seen is him kissing Bush's behind in order to get his backers.

I agree however about democrats.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 01:58 pm
BVT--

Sometimes, people agree with one another's political ideas. McCain agrees with most of Bush's.
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 06:47 pm
Lash wrote:
BVT--

Sometimes, people agree with one another's political ideas. McCain agrees with most of Bush's.


However, McCain didn't originally agree with Bush on torture and in fact pushed really hard to get a ban on torture. I admired him on that. But then when Bush turned around and basically said they reserve to the right to torture if they they think is it necessary, McCain has remained silent on the issue.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 07:11 pm
revel-- You're better than that. You know Bush didn't say they "reserve to the right to torture if they they think is it necessary."

Don't buy the Dem hype.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 07:16 pm
I have great respect for McCain of the past. The politician does not sit well with me.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 08:53 pm
Lash wrote:
BVT--

Sometimes, people agree with one another's political ideas. McCain agrees with most of Bush's.


all the more reason we don't need him anywhere near Washington then. bush's political ideas have f**ked us but good. We don't need four more years of it....
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revel
 
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Reply Sat 11 Mar, 2006 11:36 pm
Lash, I said "bascially said."

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The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power, which will assist in achieving the shared objective of the Congress and the President, evidenced in Title X, of protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051230-8.html

Explained here
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 12:16 am
I think it's still a cheap characterization, unworthy of a serious person.

I don't believe you think that was their motive.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 12:26 am
I, too,have a great respect for McCain. It is unfortunate, but without some populistic manouvres you just cannot make it to the top of the game. It's not admirable, but it is the necessary evil in this game.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 08:00 am
edgarblythe wrote:
I have great respect for McCain of the past. The politician does not sit well with me.


I kinda feel about McCain right now...like I felt about Colin Powell not too long ago.

And it does not make me feel good that that is the case.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 08:44 am
I never cared for Colin Powell at all.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 07:39 pm
Lash wrote:
I still prefer Guiliani.


yup.
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Lash
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 08:11 pm
He's being coy, DTOM. Have you heard anything about his decision?
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 12 Mar, 2006 10:02 pm
Lash wrote:
He's being coy, DTOM. Have you heard anything about his decision?


un-uhhh. he must be testing the waters though. according to chris matthews and a few others, if he'd been in memphis he woulda been rock star-ed to death.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 09:08 am
Yeah. I'm glad he passed that up.

Truly, if I were a political advisor, I'd keep my guy (if he had good name recognition) out of the morass as long as possible.

I might even inject him at the Convention.

Been a long time since anyone did that.

It would be like the second coming...
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:09 am
Guliani is a hack. A joke who had 15 minutes of glory after 9/11 and then left the spotlight.

If he jumps back in, he will quickly go back to being a joke. Do you remember what was happening with his ex before 9/11 distracted everyone? They will if the spotlight goes back to him.

If I were a Democrat, I wouldn't mind running against him at all.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 05:57 pm
I agree with ebrown about Guliani, just hadn't said it out loud.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 06:02 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
Guliani is a hack. A joke who had 15 minutes of glory after 9/11 and then left the spotlight.

If he jumps back in, he will quickly go back to being a joke. Do you remember what was happening with his ex before 9/11 distracted everyone? They will if the spotlight goes back to him.

If I were a Democrat, I wouldn't mind running against him at all.

Wait a minute. Aren't you one who said Bill Clinton's personal life was not a political issue? And, because Guiliani had a shrewish wife and dumped her, he's a hack?

He turned New York around, if you remember--long before 911. He's my dream. A socially liberal, serious Republican.

If you don't like him, at least give a good reason.
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mele42846
 
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Reply Tue 14 Mar, 2006 04:52 am
Lash- Don't you know by now that Clinton's inability to keep his zipper closed in the Oval Office had absolutely nothing to do with his ability to run the country? Only when Bush is president, are his wife, daughters and personalbehavior on hispart going back thirty years, considered to be crucial in evaluating him.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 14 Mar, 2006 05:26 am
revel wrote:
Lash, I said "bascially said."

Quote:
The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power, which will assist in achieving the shared objective of the Congress and the President, evidenced in Title X, of protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks.


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051230-8.html

Explained here


Lash replies:

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I think it's still a cheap characterization, unworthy of a serious person.

I don't believe you think that was their motive.


Their motive was, and is, to tell the Congress of these United States to go jump in the lake. I love the phrasing :... in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President[ as I, George, see it] to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power, [oh yeah, major major limitations]... .

If this isn't a bald grasp of power I don't know what one is. Make no mistake about it, a fair, and I do mean fair, reading of that text results in no Democratic hype, but would appear to be an assault on the checks and balances system imbedded in the US government. A person unfamiliar with our Constitution would see it clearly, the President is saying :"Pass whatever laws you want Congress, I'll let you know if I intend to abide by them." This is Marberry v. Madison stuff. The present administration, unimpeded by a mostly acquiescent Senate and House, is divining a new level of power for the Executive, a bad idea for a Republic, worse still because of who presently holds his finger on the power.

This President needs to be reminded, if anyone can get him to pay attention for longer than five minutes, that the Congress speaks the voice of the people and the people would like the executive branch to operate within the law and by the Articles of the Constitution as written.

Joe(Where the heck do think he is leading us?)Nation
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