Rethinking Homosexuality

Montana wrote:

All of them!

Truthfully, have you read it all?

Like up your ass where the rest of your stinking thinking comes from ...

Anon

real life wrote:

Montana wrote:

All of them!

Truthfully, have you read it all?

Yes, I have, but it's been a long time. I was born catholic and went through the whole CCD church thing until I was 16, so I read the bible more than once through my younger years.
This is what made me decide that I just couldn't place my faith in these written words or even the church for that matter.

real life wrote:

Montana wrote:

All of them!

Truthfully, have you read it all?

Yes, I have, but it's been a long time. I was born catholic and went through the whole CCD church thing until I was 16, so I read the bible more than once through my younger years.
This is what made me decide that I just couldn't place my faith in these written words or even the church for that matter.

Anon-Voter wrote:

Like up your ass where the rest of your stinking thinking comes from ...

Anon

Due to the abusive nature of your post, as far as I am concerned this conversation will continue without you.

I agree, Anon.

That the bible states many things quite strongly that, nonetheless, modern people do not follow.

Quote:

"Keep my statutes: do not breed any of your domestic animals with others of a different species; do not sow a field of yours with two different kinds of seed; and do not put on a garment woven with two different kinds of thread.

You don't keep God's statutes. You put on a garment woven with two different kinds of thread. You have decided that, for whatever reason, that particular statute is not consonant with modern life.

I applaud that decision. I don't think it is reasonable that people may only wear clothes made from a single kind of thread. I also don't think it is reasonable that people may only love other people who are of a certain gender.

If you made the decision for one, you can make the decision for the other. Pointing to the bible is hypocritical unless you take every single one of those literally. (Do you shave? Do you clip the hair at your temples? Etc., etc.)

Montana wrote:

real life wrote:

Montana wrote:

All of them!

Truthfully, have you read it all?

Yes, I have, but it's been a long time. I was born catholic and went through the whole CCD church thing until I was 16, so I read the bible more than once through my younger years.
This is what made me decide that I just couldn't place my faith in these written words or even the church for that matter.

I was raised Catholic and went to CCD and we never read the whole Bible. The norm would be that there are large portions of it that you had not read.

I would be very surprised if you had.

Lash wrote:

I'm trying to get you to see that society picked up on the sins that less of them were guilty of, and gave this one special weight.

Why hold the gays out for more derision than you assign to yourself?

Why do you assume that I do?

Lash wrote:

You've likely committed as many sins as gay people, right?

Probably more than most. So your point is...........?

real life wrote:

Lash wrote:

I'm trying to get you to see that society picked up on the sins that less of them were guilty of, and gave this one special weight.

Why hold the gays out for more derision than you assign to yourself?

Why do you assume that I do?

Lash wrote:

You've likely committed as many sins as gay people, right?

Probably more than most. So your point is...........?

Thanks for asking. I'm feeling ultra benevolent; oddly, I don't take offense.

If you and I agree we all sin, why make these particular people so miserable because of how we treat them, that they kill themselves in astronomical numbers? If we sin as much as they do, why can we get married and they can't?

I don't do anything subtly. I say exactly what I mean. If it makes you feel guilty, that's all you, not from me. I was characterizing them, not you.

I don't recall discussing marriage with you.

Two consenting adults sounds about right.

why make these particular people so miserable because of how we treat them, that they kill themselves in astronomical numbers?

Lash wrote:

I don't do anything subtly. I say exactly what I mean. If it makes you feel guilty, that's all you, not from me. I was characterizing them, not you.

I don't recall discussing marriage with you.

Two consenting adults sounds about right.

No, I don't feel guilty at all. But it's clear that you would like to imply that someone other than the person who commits suicide bears some responsibility for it when you make statements such as

Lash wrote:

why make these particular people so miserable because of how we treat them, that they kill themselves in astronomical numbers?

Wrong. Did you see "we," meaning society, in that sentence. I have no problem telling you what I think. Your guilt is bothering your conscience. I said, nor meant, any such thing. That heartbeat sounds like a bass drum, doesn't it?
Only they can 'make' themselves miserable, Lash. How you or I or anyone feels and thinks is a result of their own choice. Would you agree?

Wrong. You know good and well that people terrorizing you and humiliating you at school or in social situations can be brutally cruel and make one's life miserable. Children have killed themselves because of this type of bullying. And, no. Homosexuality is very rarely a choice. That's a cop out for people, who relish a chance to condemn.
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Regarding marriage, we have been over it. If you don't recall then you have a short memory. It's not that long ago.

Must not have been of any significance.

One man and one woman is what marriage is and has been for centuries. Just because a few PC folks would like to change it is not sufficient reason for doing so.
PC is about words. Gay marriage is about fulfilling the documents this nation was founded on.
Your 'two consenting adults' standard would allow siblings to marry, also a parent could marry his/her offspring at age 18. Is that what you support?
Not today. Today, I support gay people having the rights promised them in the Declaration.

real life wrote:

Lash wrote:

I don't do anything subtly. I say exactly what I mean. If it makes you feel guilty, that's all you, not from me. I was characterizing them, not you.

I don't recall discussing marriage with you.

Two consenting adults sounds about right.

No, I don't feel guilty at all. But it's clear that you would like to imply that someone other than the person who commits suicide bears some responsibility for it when you make statements such as

Lash wrote:

why make these particular people so miserable because of how we treat them, that they kill themselves in astronomical numbers?

Wrong. Did you see "we," meaning society, in that sentence. I have no problem telling you what I think. Your guilt is bothering your conscience. I said, nor meant, any such thing. That heartbeat sounds like a bass drum, doesn't it?
Only they can 'make' themselves miserable, Lash. How you or I or anyone feels and thinks is a result of their own choice. Would you agree?

Wrong. You know good and well that people terrorizing you and humiliating you at school or in social situations can be brutally cruel and make one's life miserable. Children have killed themselves because of this type of bullying. And, no. Homosexuality is very rarely a choice. That's a cop out for people, who relish a chance to condemn.
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Regarding marriage, we have been over it. If you don't recall then you have a short memory. It's not that long ago.

Must not have been of any significance.

One man and one woman is what marriage is and has been for centuries. Just because a few PC folks would like to change it is not sufficient reason for doing so.
PC is about words. Gay marriage is about fulfilling the documents this nation was founded on.
Your 'two consenting adults' standard would allow siblings to marry, also a parent could marry his/her offspring at age 18. Is that what you support?
Not today. Today, I support gay people having the rights promised them in the Declaration.

It is pure evil for you to discount the torture these people have to endure--and blame them for how it affects them.

Where in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution or any of the founding documents of this country is marriage for homosexuals even hinted at?

Black people in America have endured much more in the way of discrimination and injustice.

Lash wrote:

real life wrote:

Lash wrote:

I don't do anything subtly. I say exactly what I mean. If it makes you feel guilty, that's all you, not from me. I was characterizing them, not you.

I don't recall discussing marriage with you.

Two consenting adults sounds about right.

No, I don't feel guilty at all. But it's clear that you would like to imply that someone other than the person who commits suicide bears some responsibility for it when you make statements such as

Lash wrote:

why make these particular people so miserable because of how we treat them, that they kill themselves in astronomical numbers?

Wrong. Did you see "we," meaning society, in that sentence. I have no problem telling you what I think. Your guilt is bothering your conscience. I said, nor meant, any such thing. That heartbeat sounds like a bass drum, doesn't it?
Only they can 'make' themselves miserable, Lash. How you or I or anyone feels and thinks is a result of their own choice. Would you agree?

Wrong. You know good and well that people terrorizing you and humiliating you at school or in social situations can be brutally cruel and make one's life miserable. Children have killed themselves because of this type of bullying. And, no. Homosexuality is very rarely a choice. That's a cop out for people, who relish a chance to condemn.
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Regarding marriage, we have been over it. If you don't recall then you have a short memory. It's not that long ago.

Must not have been of any significance.

One man and one woman is what marriage is and has been for centuries. Just because a few PC folks would like to change it is not sufficient reason for doing so.
PC is about words. Gay marriage is about fulfilling the documents this nation was founded on.
Your 'two consenting adults' standard would allow siblings to marry, also a parent could marry his/her offspring at age 18. Is that what you support?
Not today. Today, I support gay people having the rights promised them in the Declaration.

It is pure evil for you to discount the torture these people have to endure--and blame them for how it affects them.

Where in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution or any of the founding documents of this country is marriage for homosexuals even hinted at?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

PC is about words and words mean things. Words determine behavior. You have not distanced yourself from the PC mania that is so ridiculous, but have placed yourself squarely in the PC camp.

I like the Declaration of Independence. I like equality. I despise people like you, who condemn other people, and blame them for finding a way to escape a tortured, miserable life. PC isn't even in the universe of this issue. They are people, and they deserve equal rights, not special rights. You are the one recieving special rights. YOU'RE PC! LOL!! You must think that charge bothers me. What bothers me is that people like you exist.

To pretend that you are not blaming everyone else for suicide among homosexuals is ludicrous. Suicide is an irrational act, whether you truly believe it or not. Only the person committing an irrational act bears responsibility for it.
They commit suicide because of how society treats them

If society accepted them, it wouldn't happen.

Therefore, suicide by homosexuals is almost exclusively caused by their lack of acceptance.

Nothing you say to try to deflect that truth will be accepted by anyone.
But there's a long line of folks who want to shift blame for their actions in life and your 'logic' can accomodate them all.
What a disgusting excuse for a human being.