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Rethinking Homosexuality

 
 
neologist
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:00 am
The very title of the abstract identifies the homosexual population as one needing special consideration.

It is hardly an endorsement.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:04 am
Neo-- Love the gays, already.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:08 am
Here are some of the others who get similar consideration.

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/1522.html

I'm sure you're also against people being old (the nerve!), being young (how dare they?), or being a minority (couldn't they get an Oscar-nominated makeup artist like on that "Black/White" show??).
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:26 am
Some perspectives on this:

Quote:
Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) populations have been among those for whom little or no national-level health data exist. Some State-level data from CDC's Youth Risk Behavioral Surveillance System and other research studies indicate that LGBT populations have health disparities related to sexual orientation or gender identity.3
Gay male adolescents are two to three times more likely than their peers to attempt suicide. Some evidence suggests lesbians have higher rates of smoking, obesity, alcohol abuse, and stress than heterosexual women.
Lesbian women are at a higher risk for breast cancer than heterosexual women.

from http://www2.edc.org/MakingHealthAcademic/Concept/public_policy.asp


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The differences in health status between specific groups and the general population are known as health disparities. To improve the health of all Coloradoans, it is necessary to eliminate health disparities. Disease, injury, disability, and death disproportionately affect specific population groups within Colorado. Groups with health disparities in Colorado include communities of color, women with disabilities, the lesbian population, and women living in rural communities. With so many groups experiencing disproportionate burden, it is necessary to actively work towards the elimination of health disparities.

from http://www.denvergov.org/Women/template320043.asp

Also see http://opa.osophs.dhhs.gov/pubs/hp2010/hp2010rh_sec1_uih.pdf
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:33 am
They commit suicide because of people, who respond to them in the way exhibited by some on this thread.
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 11:34 am
That, in itself, should make you rethink your opinion.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 12:04 pm
Lash wrote:
They commit suicide because of people, who respond to them in the way exhibited by some on this thread.


Lash,

Let's be very clear what you are trying to imply.

So if you say something that upsets me, and I commit suicide, are you responsible for my action?
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 12:18 pm
real life wrote:
Lash wrote:
They commit suicide because of people, who respond to them in the way exhibited by some on this thread.


Lash,

Let's be very clear what you are trying to imply.

So if you say something that upsets me, and I commit suicide, are you responsible for my action?

Let's do be clear. I worded that so it wouldn't appear that I was blaming someone for the suicides. However, the fact that you are born with brown eyes, and you soon discover that a great majority of the society you live in despises brown eyed people, and withholds basic rights from them, and goes as far as to beat them, humiliate them and make their lives miserable, can make you want to die.

When people treat them with acceptance and compassion, that horrible reality is momentarily muted. You'll either be a part of the horror, or an oasis amid that horror. That's your choice.

You should know that if I actually blamed you, or those who share your beliefs, for those suicides, I would have said that plainly.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 12:28 pm
Lash wrote:
Neo-- Love the gays, already.
I don't condemn anybody. To me homosexuality is no more sinful than smoking.

I just think folks should be aware of the consequences.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 12:28 pm
real life wrote:
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
real life wrote:
In the Bible, God does regard homosexual acts as sin.


Only male homosexual acts, may I point out. From what I've seen, God couldn't care less if girls go at it.


Hi Wolf,

That is incorrect. The Bible regards homosexual acts as sin, whether male or female.


*sigh*

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018:21-23;&version=31;77;16;74;65;

The above search in five different Bible copies, says otherwise. I'll come up with more evidence from the other available copies and from that other passage in the New Testament, when I have the time.

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
Which of the six researchers who produced this study was a homophobe (how do you propose to show this?) and can you document that this individual was kicked out of an Association? (Was it a medical or scientific Association? Or maybe a Homes Association? Your accusation is pretty vague and comes off sounding anecdotal.)

And what about the other five?


You'll have to tell me. I thought you were referring (like you did the last time this conversation came up) to Paul Cameron, whom was discredited. Show us the studies and then I'll be able to tear it apart properly (which is I'm sure, what you are asking for me to do).

Also, neologist, where's your evidence?

From my experience, I can tell you that we're pretty much a healthy group of people.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 12:29 pm
Oh and neo, I'm well aware of the consequences, thank you very much.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 12:34 pm
I could never understand why some people are so concerned with what others are doing when it has absolutely no effect on their lives.

I see gay people the same as I see everyone, so I can't understand why some folks just can't "live and let live"!
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 12:38 pm
neologist wrote:
Lash wrote:
Neo-- Love the gays, already.
I don't condemn anybody. To me homosexuality is no more sinful than smoking.

I just think folks should be aware of the consequences.

Just my humorous (hopefully) way of trying to get a nice person to really think about this, again Smile .
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 12:48 pm
Lash wrote:
real life wrote:
Lash wrote:
They commit suicide because of people, who respond to them in the way exhibited by some on this thread.


Lash,

Let's be very clear what you are trying to imply.

So if you say something that upsets me, and I commit suicide, are you responsible for my action?

Let's do be clear. I worded that so it wouldn't appear that I was blaming someone for the suicides. However, the fact that you are born with brown eyes, and you soon discover that a great majority of the society you live in despises brown eyed people, and withholds basic rights from them, and goes as far as to beat them, humiliate them and make their lives miserable, can make you want to die.

When people treat them with acceptance and compassion, that horrible reality is momentarily muted. You'll either be a part of the horror, or an oasis amid that horror. That's your choice.

You should know that if I actually blamed you, or those who share your beliefs, for those suicides, I would have said that plainly.


Thanks Lash for that clarification. I consider suicide to be an irrational act. (I think most would agree.) Laying any amount of responsibility or blame, direct or indirect, upon anyone but the perpetrator of an irrational act would be completely inappropriate. I appreciate your response.
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 12:58 pm
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
real life wrote:
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
real life wrote:
In the Bible, God does regard homosexual acts as sin.


Only male homosexual acts, may I point out. From what I've seen, God couldn't care less if girls go at it.


Hi Wolf,

That is incorrect. The Bible regards homosexual acts as sin, whether male or female.


*sigh*

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018:21-23;&version=31;77;16;74;65;

The above search in five different Bible copies, says otherwise. I'll come up with more evidence from the other available copies and from that other passage in the New Testament, when I have the time.

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
Which of the six researchers who produced this study was a homophobe (how do you propose to show this?) and can you document that this individual was kicked out of an Association? (Was it a medical or scientific Association? Or maybe a Homes Association? Your accusation is pretty vague and comes off sounding anecdotal.)

And what about the other five?


You'll have to tell me. I thought you were referring (like you did the last time this conversation came up) to Paul Cameron, whom was discredited. Show us the studies and then I'll be able to tear it apart properly (which is I'm sure, what you are asking for me to do).

Also, neologist, where's your evidence?

From my experience, I can tell you that we're pretty much a healthy group of people.


Hi Wolf,

I don't remember ever discussing Cameron. Perhaps you can provide a link? Or maybe you were discussing with someone else?

You could check here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9222793&dopt=Abstract

for a brief treatment of one study that is pertinent.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 01:24 pm
I'm thinking suicide by certain persons, as a result of some social interaction, could be a blessing for society.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 01:27 pm
real life wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:
neologist wrote:
God does not forbid homosexuality to deny happiness. He forbids homosexuality because, as our creator, he wishes to keep us from its consequences.


What would those be??

Anon


Well, for one thing, we have been discussing a reduced life expectancy. Try to keep up.


Yes you said that, but provided nothing to support that. I consider it your opinion, not fact. Keep your smug remarks to yourself!!

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 01:32 pm
neologist wrote:
sozobe wrote:
You made the allegations first, real life, support away. All of 'em.
Well, there is a higher incidence of certain STDs and, in male homosexuals, colorectal cancer. Does any of that count?

I'm waiting for the AMA to give homosexual behavior its endorsement.

Never happen.


Neo,

I've had colorectal cancer ... does that mean I'm gay?? Higher incidence of certain STD's?? Well, there's a higher incidence of other certain STD's in hetero-sexual couples ... your point is ???

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 01:35 pm
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

From my experience, I can tell you that we're pretty much a healthy group of people.


The homophobes will come up with anything they can to support their bigotry!!

Anon
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 01:37 pm
Montana wrote:
I could never understand why some people are so concerned with what others are doing when it has absolutely no effect on their lives.

I see gay people the same as I see everyone, so I can't understand why some folks just can't "live and let live"!


Some people just can't mind their own damned business ... they lives are so damned shallow they have to delve in others!!

Anon
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