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Rethinking Homosexuality

 
 
Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 04:16 pm
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
Anon-Voter wrote:
Professional my fuzzy butt!!


Too much information!


Laughing
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 04:19 pm
Montana wrote:
Now that I think about it, it sure seems to me that lesbians are far more accepted in todays society than gay men are.


Many men have that famous fantasy about 2 girls and 1 guy. Frankly, I've always thought one was enough, but that's just me!!

Anon
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real life
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 04:19 pm
ehBeth wrote:
Yup, I've read quite a bit of it, and there is information that is relevant.

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Curious that you identify suicide as a health risk, real life. It's more of an outcome than an actual health risk.

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Now, there are identified risk factors for suicide for LGBT youth ...

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Risk Factors in GLBT Youth Suicide, compiled by Paul Gibson, L.I.C.S.W.

General: Awareness or identification of same-sex feelings at a relatively early age, sometimes even acceptance of homosexual orientation. Often conflicts with others related to this orientation, and/or problems in same-sex relationships.

Society: Discrimination/oppression of gays and lesbians by society. Portrayals or representations of homosexuals in the society as self destructive or hurtful to others.

Poor Self Esteem: Internalization of society's notions of LGBTs as sick, self destructive, sinful, spreaders of disease, molesters of children, and pathetic.

Identity Conflicts: Denial of same-sex feelings or orientation. Despair in recognition of same-sex orientation.

Family: Perceived or actual rejection, abuse, harassment of child due to LGBT orientation. Child's feelings of failure to meet parental/societal expectations.

Religion: Child's LGBT orientation seen as incompatible with family's religious beliefs in which youths feel sinful or condemned.

School: Harassed and/or abused by peers (and sometimes faculty and staff). Lack of supportive peers and adults, role models, and accurate information about LGBT life in the classroom.

Social Isolation: Stemming from rejection or fear of rejection by peers and family, social withdrawal, loneliness, and inability to meet others like themselves.

Substance Abuse: Substance use to relieve the pain of oppression and loneliness and to reduce inhibitions of same-sex feelings.

Professional Help: Inability or unwillingness to discuss issues related to same-sex feelings, and/or forced treatment to change LGBT orientation.


link

Suicide might not be such an issue for LGBT youth, if the risk factors were addressed.

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Acceptance and support will go a long way.


Do you consider suicide to be an irrational act?
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 04:22 pm
Anon-Voter wrote:
Montana wrote:
Now that I think about it, it sure seems to me that lesbians are far more accepted in todays society than gay men are.


Many men have that famous fantasy about 2 girls and 1 guy. Frankly, I've always thought one was enough, but that's just me!!

Anon


Then you stand as a minorty in that sense, Anon, lol. Most of the men I've known have that fantacy for life and they just love lesbians.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 04:25 pm
montana is so gay.
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 04:29 pm
dyslexia wrote:
montana is so gay.


Cool
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Chumly
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 04:36 pm
real life wrote:
Do you consider suicide to be an irrational act?
Are you thinking irrational thoughts?
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Questioner
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 04:49 pm
real life wrote:
More smoke, Questioner?

Anything substantive to contribute yet?


My apologies, sir. I assumed that, given your current tract of debate, smoke was what we were all about here.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 04:52 pm
Questioner wrote:
real life wrote:
More smoke, Questioner?

Anything substantive to contribute yet?


My apologies, sir. I assumed that, given your current tract of debate, smoke was what we were all about here.


Smokin' a joint maybe Rolling Eyes

Anon
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 04:59 pm
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 05:17 pm
Re: Rethinking Homosexuality
thunder_runner32 wrote:
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, and looking back, I feel like an intolerant prick. Recent events have introduced me to several homosexual people and since then I have continually scrutinized my beliefs. Previously, I was under the false notion that God hates homosexuality... which I no longer believe.

I used logical (logical in my mind :wink: ) reasoning to conclude that the only laws and rules that are worth having, are the ones that help to protect people....so who the heck is going to get hurt by gay people?

Any thoughts to further lead me out of this blind prejudice?


tr32,

Let's get back on thread rather than stroke someones ego here. For reasons of my own, I hated gays for 30 years. I frankly thought that AIDS was their payback for being "queers". I was very bitter.

It wasn't until around 1990-91 that I came to realize what an "asshole" I had been. JayBea's (my future wife) brother and his partner came out ot SF to visit. At first, I refused even to meet them. JayBea appealed to my sense of justice, and I agreed to meet them for dinner. I found that all my feelings and thinking about them was unfounded. I found them to be delightful, funny folk that were a pleasure to be around. That started my transformation to understanding.

My next step was winning a client in SF that was run by a gay and a lesbian. They both were fine people, and I had them for clients until they moved to San Diego in 2002.

Another shocker was a dear friend of mine that I had NO idea was gay until JayBea's brother visited again, and the three of us had lunch. After we had all parted, Jimmy mentioned how handsome my friend was and asked if he was attached. Turns out my dear friend was gay, and I had no clue. I was shocked, but not dismayed. It just goes to show you how absolutely wrong you can be.

I let one personal tragedy color my thinking about these kind gentle, genteel people. Thank goodness JayBea woke me up, or I would have missed many close personal friends that I hold very dear!

Welcome to the enlightened!!

Anon
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 05:21 pm
I appreciate you taking the time to share that, anon. It may help someone.
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 05:22 pm
Lash wrote:
I appreciate you taking the time to share that, anon. It may help someone.


I think you may even know the background ??

Anon
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 05:24 pm
No. Care to share?
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Anon-Voter
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 05:47 pm
Lash, Did you get my PM??

Anon
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 06:03 pm
Yes. Sent one.

Thank you.
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neologist
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 07:31 pm
All of the homosexuals I have known have been gentle souls indeed, and creative, if somewhat audacious. With them I have shared many a fine brew.

Still, I wouldn't wish the homosexual lifestyle on anyone.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 07:32 pm
(Does anyone actually want me to get into this whole thing with numbers and stats and studies 'n' stuff? I'm kinda of numbers 'n' stats 'n' studied out just now and am not sure that anything would be accomplished except preaching to the converted and whapping the uncomprehending. But if anyone's interested, let me know.)
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Lash
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 07:35 pm
neologist wrote:
All of the homosexuals I have known have been gentle souls indeed, and creative, if somewhat audacious. With them I have shared many a fine brew.

Still, I wouldn't wish the homosexual lifestyle on anyone.

Neither would I.

Do you love them now? Smile
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Montana
 
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Reply Mon 13 Mar, 2006 07:44 pm
Anon
Thanks for sharing your story and I'm so glad you changed your way in thinking about gay folks.
I always did think there was too much hate in the world and you made the world a better place when decided to cut that resentment loose.

Bravo to you, my friend! :-D
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